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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 6, 2023 14:40:33 GMT -5
Casas and Arroyo 2 of the players I was extremely happy about are very disappointing. This dude is our 2nd best prospect? If that's true our farm is TRASH! Dude, it's the first week of the season. Remember how bad Pedroia was for the first two+ months of his rookie season? Makes his ROY award all the more impressive. That said, give Casas til the end of May before dragging him. he sucked last year too. I give players 100 abs before I make judgement. He's at 100 abs and he's hitting like .150. Even his homer was UGLY. Im praying hes at least a .250 hitter but he just doesnt look ready to me.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 6, 2023 14:41:39 GMT -5
Stats move fast so early in the season! Kiké today dropped his wRC+ from 110 to 80, while Yoshida improved his from 66 to 105 and Devers went from 107 to 152.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 6, 2023 14:42:53 GMT -5
Dude, it's the first week of the season. Remember how bad Pedroia was for the first two+ months of his rookie season? Makes his ROY award all the more impressive. That said, give Casas til the end of May before dragging him. he sucked last year too. I give players 100 abs before I make judgement. He's at 100 abs and he's hitting like .150. Even his homer was UGLY. Im praying hes at least a .250 hitter but he just doesnt look ready to me. Casas was a 20% above league average hitter in MLB last year and an above average defender at first.
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Post by seamus on Apr 6, 2023 14:44:15 GMT -5
Casas absolutely did not suck last year. He's putting together solid AB's. The dingers will come.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 6, 2023 14:45:43 GMT -5
Yes. A reprieve from my baseball melancholy. And the 1st save for Jansen !! A stat jmei has claimed is the most important barometer of how good a relief pitcher is.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 6, 2023 14:46:19 GMT -5
Love what I'm seeing from Jansen.
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Post by cdj on Apr 6, 2023 14:46:26 GMT -5
Dude, it's the first week of the season. Remember how bad Pedroia was for the first two+ months of his rookie season? Makes his ROY award all the more impressive. That said, give Casas til the end of May before dragging him. he sucked last year too. I give players 100 abs before I make judgement. He's at 100 abs and he's hitting like .150. Even his homer was UGLY. Im praying hes at least a .250 hitter but he just doesnt look ready to me. You’re wrong. He was perfectly good as a rookie
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Post by incandenza on Apr 6, 2023 14:46:34 GMT -5
Okay, only a 97% win expectancy - time to bring in our #1 reliever for his second appearance of the season! Who knew that the save stat would have so much lasting power? What's crazy is that I think teams want to escape its icy grip. Like I don't think Chaim Bloom, and possibly Alex Cora, want to be spending huge on closers and then using them in low leverage situations. But the players and fans and media have all built up this enormous psychological edifice around the value of the save, and my best guess is that after last season Bloom was like "okay fine, just gonna get a Proven Closer so people can feel safe."
Anyway... great save, Kenley!
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 6, 2023 14:47:35 GMT -5
Casas absolutely did not suck last year. He's putting together solid AB's. The dingers will come. Yeah, the Casas sucking last year thing is wild. He put up 0.3 WAR in 27 games at first base and was a 120 wRC+ player. He just didn't hit for average, which is of course the first thing people looking to make a snap judgment tend to look at. He's going to be fine.
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Post by nomar on Apr 6, 2023 14:47:47 GMT -5
Glad they stopped the bleeding
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Post by incandenza on Apr 6, 2023 14:49:03 GMT -5
Dude, it's the first week of the season. Remember how bad Pedroia was for the first two+ months of his rookie season? Makes his ROY award all the more impressive. That said, give Casas til the end of May before dragging him. he sucked last year too. I give players 100 abs before I make judgement. He's at 100 abs and he's hitting like .150. Even his homer was UGLY. Im praying hes at least a .250 hitter but he just doesnt look ready to me. Haha. A real paragon of patience you are.
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 6, 2023 14:51:16 GMT -5
Casas absolutely did not suck last year. He's putting together solid AB's. The dingers will come. hitting wise he had 76 abs. struck out 23 times and hit .197. THANK GOD he walked 19 times. This year its very very early i know but 23 ABs and 2 walks 6 strike outs and hitting .130. If he isn't walking he should be batting 9th because clearly that's all he has brought to the table offensively.
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Post by wildsox on Apr 6, 2023 14:53:36 GMT -5
Casas is actually the last guy I'm worried about. He's going to take some time. Using Kiké, Arroyo and Reese as everyday players are my bigger concern
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 6, 2023 14:56:04 GMT -5
Kiké certainly needs to be better defensively to play short all year, but he has until Mondesi is ready to figure that out.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Apr 6, 2023 14:57:06 GMT -5
Casas absolutely did not suck last year. He's putting together solid AB's. The dingers will come. hitting wise he had 76 abs. struck out 23 times and hit .197. THANK GOD he walked 19 times. This year its very very early i know but 23 ABs and 2 walks 6 strike outs and hitting .130. If he isn't walking he should be batting 9th because clearly that's all he has brought to the table offensively. Again, first week of the season. I'm more worried about Kiké and Arroyo at this point than Casas...
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 6, 2023 15:07:47 GMT -5
Casas absolutely did not suck last year. He's putting together solid AB's. The dingers will come. hitting wise he had 76 abs. struck out 23 times and hit .197. THANK GOD he walked 19 times. This year its very very early i know but 23 ABs and 2 walks 6 strike outs and hitting .130. If he isn't walking he should be batting 9th because clearly that's all he has brought to the table offensively. You reckon the player had something to do with that?
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Post by Guidas on Apr 6, 2023 15:08:09 GMT -5
Great Win!
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Post by bluechip on Apr 6, 2023 15:12:39 GMT -5
Yoshida may be a sneaky solid baserunner. Not a burner, but he's had a couple of steals and seems to have a good feel for taking the extra base. Encouraging from Casas to battle and get a productive out. He is certainly running more early this year than he ever did in Japan. Seems like he is a smart player and will take advantage of the new rules to steal some bases.
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 6, 2023 15:14:54 GMT -5
Kiké certainly needs to be better defensively to play short all year, but he has until Mondesi is ready to figure that out. Mondesi is the Paxton of position players. It’s hard to imagine that we get much from either of those guys this year.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 6, 2023 15:16:37 GMT -5
Nine of the Sox’s first 10 series are against teams that did not reach the postseason in 2022.
We all know the importance of beating the teams you're supposed to beat. Let's hope the Pirates series was a condensed collection of brain farts and bad luck, and nothing more.
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 6, 2023 15:16:53 GMT -5
hitting wise he had 76 abs. struck out 23 times and hit .197. THANK GOD he walked 19 times. This year its very very early i know but 23 ABs and 2 walks 6 strike outs and hitting .130. If he isn't walking he should be batting 9th because clearly that's all he has brought to the table offensively. You reckon the player had something to do with that? yes but he isn't walking this year. I'm over it. It is early and he's young but to me he just looks like he isn't ready. Time will tell.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 6, 2023 15:21:58 GMT -5
Who knew that the save stat would have so much lasting power? What's crazy is that I think teams want to escape its icy grip. Like I don't think Chaim Bloom, and possibly Alex Cora, want to be spending huge on closers and then using them in low leverage situations. But the players and fans and media have all built up this enormous psychological edifice around the value of the save, and my best guess is that after last season Bloom was like "okay fine, just gonna get a Proven Closer so people can feel safe."
Anyway... great save, Kenley!
Traditional gobble up the saves closer useage is pretty close to optimal IMO
- It takes time to warm up so you can't magically insert your best guy into a bases loaded 1 out situation in the 6th. - You want to wait as long as possible before deciding to put the closer in the game because you value resting him. You want as much information as possible before deciding if one well pitched inning is going to matter much - If you're not putting them in for 3 run saves they're probably not working enough.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 6, 2023 15:40:28 GMT -5
What's crazy is that I think teams want to escape its icy grip. Like I don't think Chaim Bloom, and possibly Alex Cora, want to be spending huge on closers and then using them in low leverage situations. But the players and fans and media have all built up this enormous psychological edifice around the value of the save, and my best guess is that after last season Bloom was like "okay fine, just gonna get a Proven Closer so people can feel safe."
Anyway... great save, Kenley!
Traditional gobble up the saves closer useage is pretty close to optimal IMO
- It takes time to warm up so you can't magically insert your best guy into a bases loaded 1 out situation in the 6th. - You want to wait as long as possible before deciding to put the closer in the game because you value resting him. You want as much information as possible before deciding if one well pitched inning is going to matter much - If you're not putting them in for 3 run saves they're probably not working enough.
Even granting the bolded points, you could bring the "closer" into situations in which you're anticipating anywhere from a one-run deficit to a one-run lead, rather than a one-run lead to a three-run lead. You could also pick and choose which inning to use him in - e.g., bring him in in the 7th or 8th if that's when the heart of the order is due up. (If Brasier hadn't let a couple guys on base Jansen would have faced the 7-8-9 hitters.)
But one way to resolve this is to distinguish "best reliever" from "closer." This is why I think it's ideal for your closer to be your second- or third-best reliever: use him in the traditional closer role, and have the best reliever or two handle the high-leverage situations with greater flexibility. Of course what teams typically do is extrapolate from the concept of closer to to the set-up guy (save situations but in the 8th inning) and the 7th-inning guy (ditto but for the 7th), which means the worst relievers inevitably come in when the team is down 1 or 2 runs - high-leverage situations which the team squanders by using the worst relievers.
It might be my imagination, but has Cora increasingly moved toward this formulaic use of relievers that I'm complaining about here? I feel like he used to be a little more flexible. But again, might be imagining that.
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Post by cdj on Apr 6, 2023 15:46:17 GMT -5
Traditional gobble up the saves closer useage is pretty close to optimal IMO
- It takes time to warm up so you can't magically insert your best guy into a bases loaded 1 out situation in the 6th. - You want to wait as long as possible before deciding to put the closer in the game because you value resting him. You want as much information as possible before deciding if one well pitched inning is going to matter much - If you're not putting them in for 3 run saves they're probably not working enough.
Even granting the bolded points, you could bring the "closer" into situations in which you're anticipating anywhere from a one-run deficit to a one-run lead, rather than a one-run lead to a three-run lead. You could also pick and choose which inning to use him in - e.g., bring him in in the 7th or 8th if that's when the heart of the order is due up. (If Brasier hadn't let a couple guys on base Jansen would have faced the 7-8-9 hitters.)
But one way to resolve this is to distinguish "best reliever" from "closer." This is why I think it's ideal for your closer to be your second- or third-best reliever: use him in the traditional closer role, and have the best reliever or two handle the high-leverage situations with greater flexibility. Of course what teams typically do is extrapolate from the concept of closer to to the set-up guy (save situations but in the 8th inning) and the 7th-inning guy (ditto but for the 7th), which means the worst relievers inevitably come in when the team is down 1 or 2 runs - high-leverage situations which the team squanders by using the worst relievers.
It might be my imagination, but has Cora increasingly moved toward this formulaic use of relievers that I'm complaining about here? I feel like he used to be a little more flexible. But again, might be imagining that.
Yes and no imo- I think it’s a little more formulaic this year because we have a guy who is established in that traditional closers role. That was lacking last season so I think he was doing a lot of improvising. But he is still doing things like bringing in schreiber in the 6th to get a shutdown inning after taking a lead and using Martin against the better hitters in the 7th as opposed to using him in the 8th
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 6, 2023 15:55:45 GMT -5
Glad they won and liked seeing Sale at least be able to battle despite the poor outting. He limited the damage and kept them in the game. Tigers are atrocious and the Sox should sweep. This wasn't a feel good win, but it's at least a win.
It'll be a few weeks before we start getting any real answers on guys.
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