shagworthy
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 11, 2023 15:38:31 GMT -5
And Cora continues his most at bats for Kiké all night every night obsession: 1. SS Kiké Hernández 2. 3B Rafael Devers 3. DH Justin Turner 4. LF Masataka Yoshida 5. CF Rob Refsnyder 6. RF Alex Verdugo 7. 2B Christian Arroyo 8. 1B Bobby Dalbec 9. C Connor Wong Loose working theory, he owes Kevin Cash money so he's gifting them the first out of the game. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 11, 2023 15:42:32 GMT -5
Yu Chang does not appear to be much of a priority Should he be? |
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Post by soxfaninnj on Apr 11, 2023 15:46:08 GMT -5
Yu Chang does not appear to be much of a priority Should he be? Can he be any worse than arroyo ? |
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Post by incandenza on Apr 11, 2023 15:49:01 GMT -5
And Cora continues his most at bats for Kiké all night every night obsession: 1. SS Kiké Hernández 2. 3B Rafael Devers 3. DH Justin Turner 4. LF Masataka Yoshida 5. CF Rob Refsnyder 6. RF Alex Verdugo 7. 2B Christian Arroyo 8. 1B Bobby Dalbec 9. C Connor Wong If you're determined to bat Devers #2 (as you probably should be), and you're determined to put a righty between Devers and Yoshida (which makes sense), then Turner pretty much has to bat #3, and you don't want to start two lefties at the top of the order against McClanahan (also makes sense), then your options are basically Kiké or Refsnyder or Arroyo. I certainly wouldn't put Arroyo there. And between Kiké and Refsnyder I rally can't bestir myself to care. |
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 11, 2023 15:49:53 GMT -5
Yu Chang does not appear to be much of a priority Should he be? I think he should be as soon as the opposing RHPs resume. He has reverse splits in his career (60 wRC+ against LHP and 89 wRC+ against RHP) and is a better defensive infielder than Kiké. The calculus against LHP seems to be that Refsnyder's bat is enough of an upgrade over Chang's to justify the worse defense at SS and CF, but against RHP I think the best alignment is Chang at SS and Kiké in CF. I suppose we'll see tomorrow night if Cora agrees. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Apr 11, 2023 15:56:57 GMT -5
Can he be any worse than arroyo ? Will be or has been? If "has been," then what has that to do with the price of milk (RIP Logan Roy)? I expect Arroyo going forward will not be any worse than Arroyo has been. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 11, 2023 16:05:57 GMT -5
I get giving Kikè AB’s towards the top of the order against LHP. Historically he has mashed them.
He’s bound to get hot eventually!
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 11, 2023 16:13:49 GMT -5
And Cora continues his most at bats for Kiké all night every night obsession: 1. SS Kiké Hernández 2. 3B Rafael Devers 3. DH Justin Turner 4. LF Masataka Yoshida 5. CF Rob Refsnyder 6. RF Alex Verdugo 7. 2B Christian Arroyo 8. 1B Bobby Dalbec 9. C Connor Wong If you're determined to bat Devers #2 (as you probably should be), and you're determined to put a righty between Devers and Yoshida (which makes sense), then Turner pretty much has to bat #3, and you don't want to start two lefties at the top of the order against McClanahan (also makes sense), then your options are basically Kiké or Refsnyder or Arroyo. I certainly wouldn't put Arroyo there. And between Kiké and Refsnyder I rally can't bestir myself to care. Meh, I'm not as determined to not start two lefties at the top of the order as some. Verdugo historically hits well against both, actually far better than Kiké to be honest. Lineup balance is great when you have guys who can execute. .097 is not executing, and the thought of Kiké having 5 ABs potentially in a game does not bring the warm fuzzies. I prefer to have guys in front of Raffy, Turner, and Yoshi who actually have a chance of getting on base. |
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Post by Guidas on Apr 11, 2023 16:19:05 GMT -5
And Cora continues his most at bats for Kiké all night every night obsession: 1. SS Kiké Hernández 2. 3B Rafael Devers 3. DH Justin Turner 4. LF Masataka Yoshida 5. CF Rob Refsnyder 6. RF Alex Verdugo 7. 2B Christian Arroyo 8. 1B Bobby Dalbec 9. C Connor Wong If you're determined to bat Devers #2 (as you probably should be), and you're determined to put a righty between Devers and Yoshida (which makes sense), then Turner pretty much has to bat #3, and you don't want to start two lefties at the top of the order against McClanahan (also makes sense), then your options are basically Kiké or Refsnyder or Arroyo. I certainly wouldn't put Arroyo there. And between Kiké and Refsnyder I rally can't bestir myself to care. I'd lead off Devers and put Kiké after Arroyo. Who cares if it's a lefty pitching, Devers is Devers. I much rather give him one more at bat than Kiké. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 11, 2023 16:21:11 GMT -5
I think he should be as soon as the opposing RHPs resume. He has reverse splits in his career (60 wRC+ against LHP and 89 wRC+ against RHP)
IIRC the old tango tiger book says with RHB you need to regress platoon splits to the mean so much that you're not making much of a mistake to assume everyone should have an average platoon split going forward. With LHB you see skill difference sooner |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 11, 2023 16:22:48 GMT -5
Maybe there should be a separate thread for “Devers: aggressive or too aggressive” (outside of the game thread… |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 11, 2023 16:26:14 GMT -5
Can he be any worse than arroyo ? yes |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 11, 2023 16:48:06 GMT -5
You can't blame a manager for a lot, but if there's zero production coming from leadoff this entirely Cora's fault.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 11, 2023 16:54:16 GMT -5
You can't blame a manager for a lot, but if there's zero production coming from leadoff this entirely Cora's fault. Is it if all of the other options also are not hitting? |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 11, 2023 16:58:57 GMT -5
You can't blame a manager for a lot, but if there's zero production coming from leadoff this entirely Cora's fault. Is it if all of the other options also are not hitting? I can't believe 7 other guys are hitting worse than Kiké. I say 7 because I'm not moving Devers. |
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 11, 2023 17:24:21 GMT -5
Is it if all of the other options also are not hitting? I can't believe 7 other guys are hitting worse than Kiké. I say 7 because I'm not moving Devers. 3-31 on the the year. oof. Only one hit, with 2 home runs. He’s like the hit nazi. No hit for you. |
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 11, 2023 17:40:42 GMT -5
If you're determined to bat Devers #2 (as you probably should be), and you're determined to put a righty between Devers and Yoshida (which makes sense), then Turner pretty much has to bat #3, and you don't want to start two lefties at the top of the order against McClanahan (also makes sense), then your options are basically Kiké or Refsnyder or Arroyo. I certainly wouldn't put Arroyo there. And between Kiké and Refsnyder I rally can't bestir myself to care. I'd lead off Devers and put Kiké after Arroyo. Who cares if it's a lefty pitching, Devers is Devers. I much rather give him one more at bat than Kiké. The stats latest on lineup construction say to bat your best hitter second, so they are in theory optimizing in that way. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 11, 2023 17:41:25 GMT -5
I can't believe 7 other guys are hitting worse than Kiké. I say 7 because I'm not moving Devers. 3-31 on the the year. oof. Only one hit, with 2 home runs. He’s like the hit nazi. No hit for you.  |
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Post by cdj on Apr 11, 2023 17:46:47 GMT -5
Strong AB’s from Turner and Yoshida
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 11, 2023 17:50:50 GMT -5
I should have said who I would have hit leadoff, but my first thought was Yoshida despite the split.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 11, 2023 17:50:51 GMT -5
I was sure after last night’s game that when Devers will get 2 strikes count against him tonight he will be swinging no matter where the pitch is 😂
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 11, 2023 17:51:22 GMT -5
You can't blame a manager for a lot, but if there's zero production coming from leadoff this entirely Cora's fault. IDK what world you live in where the manager doesn't matter. We don't steal bases, we don't bunt we don't put out the best possible lineups. We use pitchers at the wrong time. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU CANT BLAME THE MANAGER FOR A LOT!!!!!!! As soon as he put out the lineup card yesterday i put $500 on the UNDER. easy winner. Cora is not good. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 11, 2023 17:54:54 GMT -5
Kiké camps under that one
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Post by cdj on Apr 11, 2023 17:55:08 GMT -5
gosh darnit
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 11, 2023 17:55:22 GMT -5
Aaand Kiké playing SS costs another run
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