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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 13, 2023 9:52:11 GMT -5
Refsnyder-Casas is the new Manny-Papi. SMH.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 13, 2023 9:54:22 GMT -5
This has to be the worst lineup in the 2023 MLB season across the board. Time to pound the under Any lineup that has Yu Chang in it and not batting 9th has serious issues. And AAA Bobby is the 5 hitter? Too funny.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 13, 2023 10:01:35 GMT -5
This has to be the worst lineup in the 2023 MLB season across the board. Time to pound the under Any lineup that has Yu Chang in it and not batting 9th has serious issues. And AAA Bobby is the 5 hitter? Too funny. The math says bat your worst hitter 8th, actually.
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Post by manfred on Apr 13, 2023 10:07:11 GMT -5
This has to be the worst lineup in the 2023 MLB season across the board. Time to pound the under You must have missed the Tigers series.
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Post by manfred on Apr 13, 2023 10:07:55 GMT -5
All of those guys were far easier to replace. They overcame Sandoval by bringing up Devers, Hanley was replaced by Moreland/JD, Pedroia honestly wasn't really replaced by Nunez/Holt... But trying to replace a $25m ace is damn near impossible without spending just as much in FA, or having a top 5 league wide prospect ready to slide in. The way they "replaced" those guys was by Mookie having a 10 WAR season (and Bogaerts a 5 WAR season, and Benintendi a 4 WAR season, etc.). The crazy thing about that team was that they had some serious holes. Even Devers wasn't good yet and 3B was a weakness. But that's the thing - they had a bounty of young cost-controlled talent the likes of which we may never see again and ended up winning 108 games. If they had that right now they'd be in a great place this year, too, regardless of Sale's performance.
Heck, they had a nice 2021 season even without getting hardly anything out of Sale.
HE must not be named.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 13, 2023 10:22:27 GMT -5
#stopblamingSaleorhiscontractit'sbeen3plusyears.
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Post by nomar on Apr 13, 2023 10:27:51 GMT -5
Maybe it’s just how things are these days, but Cora always finds a way to rest players at the worst time possible. Like was Arroyo really any more likely to sustain an injury if he pinch hit for Yu Chang in the 9th? Now the team is reeling, Yoshida is already out, and we bench our best player? DH him then and let Turner play third. At some point winning has to matter, even in April. And I know that Devers vs his replacement isn’t technically a huge swing for a 1 game sample, but the lack of urgency has been taunting me the last couple of years.
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Post by greenmonster on Apr 13, 2023 10:29:41 GMT -5
Sneaky Tanking = Stanking
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 13, 2023 10:35:20 GMT -5
Season just started and I already find this team unlikable. Very entertaining team ... Dalbec at SS yesterday ... the drama of injuries ... the wait for Mata, Hamilton, Rafaela. What am I missing?
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 13, 2023 10:37:43 GMT -5
Unless this has already happened and I missed it, I am predicting the first sub-2:00 game for the Sox today.
3-4 hits and 1 run sound about right, as well.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 13, 2023 10:38:16 GMT -5
Kelly to the IL, Crawford back. This probably makes the most sense. Gives them a guy who can throw innings if needed, and Bello will be up shortly anyways with Paxton not far behind. No rush to decide on who to add to the 40, despite my general curiosity on who it would be.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 13, 2023 11:09:41 GMT -5
The question of whether the Sale contract is what's dragging the team down is both a strawman and a red herring. Obviously it hurts when you allocate $145 million to someone who doesn't add any value at all. But it's not like that's enough to sink an organization; the 2018 Red Sox overcame the Hanley, Sandoval, and Pedroia contracts. It is, as many people have pointed out, the cratering of the farm system ca. 2019 that is dragging them down. That pig is now starting to pass out of the snake, finally, with Casas and some of the young pitching - but they haven't actually gotten anything out of Casas or Bello so far this year. But I think they will. And for the record I think Sale will improve too. It's a long season. Last year they started 10-19. By June they looked like a surefire playoff team. By August they looked like a dumpster fire. Just gotta give it a minute...
Thanks, Ben Cherington! You had a bunch of bad drafts, held onto ranked prospects too long who turned out to be busts and traded away Lowrie and Reddick for steaming piles of nothing (and Mark Melaçon, who you quickly gave up on and gave away for nothing).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 13, 2023 11:10:26 GMT -5
Kelly to the IL, Crawford back. Too bad for Kelly. Hindsight is 20/20, but for a guy with a rebuilt arm I'm not sure they should have pitched him in 6 of the first 12 games. I mean the surgery was in 2020 and that's normal reliever usage. He'd just had 3 days off and hasn't pitched back to back days. Pitchers break. That's the reality of it. 83 pitchers have 6 or more appearances.
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Post by manfred on Apr 13, 2023 11:11:04 GMT -5
Season just started and I already find this team unlikable. Very entertaining team ... Dalbec at SS yesterday ... the drama of injuries ... the wait for Mata, Hamilton, Rafaela. What am I missing? Should this be italics? Dalbec at SS is exciting? Dalbec at AAA excites me far more.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2023 11:24:32 GMT -5
As soon as Cora put todays lineup card out we should of fired him Why? So he should never be able to rest his best player at all because the rest of the lineup is so lame? Who saddled him with that roster that has few good options in it if there are injuries or you best player doesnt play 162 games? I dont think Cora was the one who created that roster. Want to blame Cora for the lack of fundamentals shown thus far, fine, but his roster is both depleted and very mediocre.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 13, 2023 11:34:01 GMT -5
Cora can only play the players on the roster. I'm not sure how today's lineup is his problem. Yoshida is dinged up, getting Devers a day makes sense... what do you want him to do?
If you assume Yoshida is unavailable and accept that Devers could probably use a day, the rest of the bench is Wong and Tapia. What do you want Cora to do?
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Post by cheers on Apr 13, 2023 11:38:08 GMT -5
It is possible that this team is what it was last year: a decent team trapped in an absolutely brutal division. Never before before have the Yankees, Rays, Jays and O’s been this good at the same time. The 2022 Red Sox played 106 against teams with winning records. And Chris Sale’s contract is not THE problem. The problem is the lack of low-cost high impact talent. The average cost of a unit of WAR is now over $9 million, and you need around 35-40 WAR to compete for a wild card or 50 WAR to compete for a division title. You might be able to put together a good team for a year or two without young stars, but you can’t do it year in and year out. You need a constant flow of young impact players if you want to compete consistently. At a time when at least three AL East teams are awash in low cost talent, the Red Sox have only a single cost-controlled impact player, Devers, and he’s in his last year of cost control. This team isn’t going to be competitive in the AL East until it develops some young impact talent. I apologize for being critical, but if a WAR is worth $9M, and you need 40WAR to compete for a wild card spot - does that not imply that the average playoff team should be spending $360M?? There is a logic hole here, or I'm grossly misinterpreting your point.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 13, 2023 11:38:44 GMT -5
As soon as Cora put todays lineup card out we should of fired him Why? So he should never be able to rest his best player at all because the rest of the lineup is so lame? Who saddled him with that roster that has few good options in it if there are injuries or you best player doesnt play 162 games? I dont think Cora was the one who created that roster. Want to blame Cora for the lack of fundamentals shown thus far, fine, but his roster is both depleted and very mediocre. How do you think the roster could have been better constructed in the event that their starting LFer and CFer and SS are all injured and Devers takes a day off?
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 13, 2023 11:39:19 GMT -5
I agree, this isn't Cora's fault. It's like they built this roster in Alex Cora's career image.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 13, 2023 11:39:25 GMT -5
Cora can only play the players on the roster. I'm not sure how today's lineup is his problem. Yoshida is dinged up, getting Devers a day makes sense... what do you want him to do? If you assume Yoshida is unavailable and accept that Devers could probably use a day, the rest of the bench is Wong and Tapia. What do you want Cora to do? If Devers is just getting a routine day, wouldn't it make more sense to give him tomorrow off if Yoshida is getting a day due to being a bit beat up? Losing 4 straight to Tampa is going to hurt a lot, even if it's only April.
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Post by danredhawk on Apr 13, 2023 11:39:57 GMT -5
As soon as Cora put todays lineup card out we should of fired him Why? So he should never be able to rest his best player at all because the rest of the lineup is so lame? Who saddled him with that roster that has few good options in it if there are injuries or you best player doesnt play 162 games? I dont think Cora was the one who created that roster. Want to blame Cora for the lack of fundamentals shown thus far, fine, but his roster is both depleted and very mediocre. Sometimes what makes flawed players flawed players is an inconsistency of the fundamentals. Having to teach baseball at the MLB level is like hiring someone into your Big 5 firm and having to teach them addition and subtraction...
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 13, 2023 11:43:01 GMT -5
Why? So he should never be able to rest his best player at all because the rest of the lineup is so lame? Who saddled him with that roster that has few good options in it if there are injuries or you best player doesnt play 162 games? I dont think Cora was the one who created that roster. Want to blame Cora for the lack of fundamentals shown thus far, fine, but his roster is both depleted and very mediocre. How do you think the roster could have been better constructed in the event that their starting LFer and CFer and SS are all injured and Devers takes a day off? Don't give Devers the day off until Yoshida is ready to play would be my take. Maybe put Turner on the field and Devers DH if they really want to give him some break, put Dalbec on 3rd and Turner on 1st.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 13, 2023 11:46:38 GMT -5
Cora can only play the players on the roster. I'm not sure how today's lineup is his problem. Yoshida is dinged up, getting Devers a day makes sense... what do you want him to do? If you assume Yoshida is unavailable and accept that Devers could probably use a day, the rest of the bench is Wong and Tapia. What do you want Cora to do? If Devers is just getting a routine day, wouldn't it make more sense to give him tomorrow off if Yoshida is getting a day due to being a bit beat up? Losing 4 straight to Tampa is going to hurt a lot, even if it's only April. I think it’s more because Springs is starting plus the turf (even dirt on turf fields wears you out) plus the HBP in Detroit. But totally agree getting swept hurts a lot, losing 3 out of 4 really isn’t too big of a deal in April
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2023 11:58:11 GMT -5
Why? So he should never be able to rest his best player at all because the rest of the lineup is so lame? Who saddled him with that roster that has few good options in it if there are injuries or you best player doesnt play 162 games? I dont think Cora was the one who created that roster. Want to blame Cora for the lack of fundamentals shown thus far, fine, but his roster is both depleted and very mediocre. How do you think the roster could have been better constructed in the event that their starting LFer and CFer and SS are all injured and Devers takes a day off? Haven't we talked about that all winter long? We know damn well who their SS should have been. Their LF hasn't exactly been tearing the cover off the ball, so going from him to Tapia shouldn't be that big a deal for a game. Duvall is a loss, but the Red Sox are hardly the only team bitten by the injury bug. Most teams get bitten too and some find a way to play well. This is a roster that needs an awful lot to break right to be truly competitive. It's hard to play a season expecting virtually everybody to stay healthy. Hate to say it but a lot of their ability to compete hinges upon Bello and Sale. We haven't seen Bello and dont know if he's taking that big leap forward this year and we've seen Sale and I dont know about you but I haven't been overly impressed. We knew the Sox SS situation was going to have injury issues and that the guy playing SS is better as an OF or 2b or really coming off the bench. My comment isnt about a single game. A premier player should be able to take a day off without the lineup looking like a AAA squad. It's not like when Manny took a day off the rest of the lineup looked terrible. That's not the case here. It was a thin lineup to begin with that didnt have much room for injuries or inderproducing. To weather Duvalls absence they need Yoshida to hit, Casas to emerge into a middle of the order threat - right now he looks like Mo Vaughn, circa 1992, before Mo Vaughn figured it out in 1993 and became Mo Vaughn. So that's why I will exercise patience with Casas but wouldnt be surprised if this is a year of struggles for him. The lack of certainty and all star ability is what they look like.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 13, 2023 11:58:34 GMT -5
Cora can only play the players on the roster. I'm not sure how today's lineup is his problem. Yoshida is dinged up, getting Devers a day makes sense... what do you want him to do? If you assume Yoshida is unavailable and accept that Devers could probably use a day, the rest of the bench is Wong and Tapia. What do you want Cora to do? If Devers is just getting a routine day, wouldn't it make more sense to give him tomorrow off if Yoshida is getting a day due to being a bit beat up? Losing 4 straight to Tampa is going to hurt a lot, even if it's only April. As stated, turf + day game after night game + LHP + stretch of 19 straight with no days off. Not saying it HAD to be today but it's also not like Yoshida is setting the world on fire either.
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