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4/10-4/13 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Apr 13, 2023 16:06:47 GMT -5
Expected hits in the bottom of the 5th: 2.24 Balls hit with xBA of more than .400: 0 Balls hit with EV greater than 91 mph: 1 PA with a higher EV (100.8) and higher xBA (.500) than anything in the bottom of the inning: final out of the top Odds that any of this will be mentioned by local press (Speier excluded): 0
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 13, 2023 16:08:12 GMT -5
John Henry ran a successful hedge fund, I don’t believe he is the problem or is less interested in the Red Sox.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 13, 2023 16:12:29 GMT -5
John Henry ran a successful hedge fund, I don’t believe he is the problem or is less interested in the Red Sox. I don’t necessarily think John Henry is the problem but the logic here reads to me like 1 + 1 = fish.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 13, 2023 16:14:24 GMT -5
John Henry ran a successful hedge fund, I don’t believe he is the problem or is less interested in the Red Sox. I don’t necessarily think John Henry is the problem but the logic here reads to me like 1 + 1 = fish. The point is that when you’re in asset management you have many holdings, want all of them to do well and follow them all deeply.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 13, 2023 16:14:28 GMT -5
T his yeaar was supposed to be a year where moves were made to make them competitive. BABIP hitters to maximize the offense to keep the line moving. A big chink in the armor was Duvall going down plus Arroyo,Kiké and Casas not performing as they expected. Turner has started slow and Yoshida has been chasing pitches. As it stands, almost everything they counted on blew up in their face. Hopefully the homestand can right the ship some, but the 4 game sweep to the Rays was a big gut punch to their plans. Don't forget all that money Chaim had to spend and how, at the beginning of the off-season, we'd see his true brilliance. It still may shine, but right now it's tough to watch them play against competitive teams like the Rays and, uh, Pirates.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 13, 2023 16:14:28 GMT -5
They were all hot like 5 days ago. They're all "slumping" now because they faced probably the best pitching team in the majors for 4 games in a row, and they've been kinda killed on the BABIP to boot. The Rays gave up 2 R/G before the Red Sox series. The Red Sox scored 3.8 R/G against them.
5 days ago coning off the Tigers? I think I’d be hot. And that's ignoring they were swept by the Pirates before that and a dropped pop up away from losing 2 out of 3 against Baltimore.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 13, 2023 16:17:28 GMT -5
I don’t necessarily think John Henry is the problem but the logic here reads to me like 1 + 1 = fish. The point is that when you’re in asset management you have many holdings, want all of them to do well and follow them all deeply. Alright I can see that, but “do well” for an asset can mean things besides win no matter what, even if it does it doesn’t mean you are good at optimizing for that goal, and I don’t agree that being a hedge fund manager means you will be a good baseball owner.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 13, 2023 16:20:09 GMT -5
The point is that when you’re in asset management you have many holdings, want all of them to do well and follow them all deeply. Alright I can see that, but “do well” for an asset can mean things besides win no matter what, even if it does it doesn’t mean you are good at optimizing for that goal, and I don’t agree that being a hedge fund manager means you will be a good baseball owner. It's actually interesting how all of his clubs are struggling now. Penguins and Liverpool didn't exactly go well recently. *said Pirates by accident.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Apr 13, 2023 16:23:39 GMT -5
The Rays are loading up the ball 23" of horizontal break on a "Sweeper" youve got to be joking
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 13, 2023 16:28:27 GMT -5
Bloom is the one building the roster. Bloom is the one that traded Mookie for a couple dozen baseballs. Bloom is the one that lowballed Xander and expedited HIS departure. He has his fingerprints on every player on the roster. How can you NOT blame him? The only thing that might save his job is that John Henry is too busy with other endeavors to actually follow the Sox. There's some truth in both. If Turner happened to have a 1.000 OPS and Kiké returned to form then we're probably talking about a good job Bloom had done. Still, it's his analysis, his scouting team, his talent evaluators and medical staff. Duvall was a gem, that was a kudos to him. I don't completely call the injury a freak one because he's almost 35 and had surgery on that same exact wrist last year. I feel like he was more prone to this injury than someone like Duran. But, that aside. He low-balled Xander and he left and is crushing it elsewhere. He traded Renfroe to capitalize on his value and Renfroe is still hitting well and the prospects they got back haven't been good. Benny was a bad trade for a spell (he was bit overrated since he left) and the Red Sox are now hopefully getting value back from Wink, that's TBD, but encouraging. Kiké was a good signing when he first came here. Now, not so great. Justin Turner is 38 so I can see him having a range of possible outcomes. Yoshida has been awful. Below average defense who hits like Lars Anderson. I'm not writing off his career after a handful of MLB games, but he needs to start generating lift. He signed Trevor Story and I believe there was a risk with his health. I liked the signing, but it hasn't really paid dividends. Last year was his lowest GP and this year is obviously going to top that. Will he have the arm for SS? The Mookie trade was a disaster. They got an average player for a HoFer. His bullpens have not been good. The good moves have been far and few apart. This is more thorough than my post, so I just want to add a few comments. I don’t really fault Bloom on Benintendi. He looked washed and they just weren’t going to get much of a haul for him at that point. If they do end up with a viable bullpen arm there, that is a plus. The Renfroe signing initially looked good. I’m not sure why Bloom ran him out of town so quickly. He looked like a nice piece to keep around. Same for Schwarber. Great trade getting him, very costly to let him walk. He was the team leader type that this sorely needed(and is lacking now). And I can’t understand how Bloom looked at JBJ a year ago as an every day starter. That is just a huge misjudgment of talent. Signing Story was just a case of the analytics guys seeing “value” and pouncing on him after all the top free agents were picked over(at least they didn’t get Baez, I suppose). Theo and Dombrowski used to shop at the top end of the market. Bloom seems content to wait the market out and hope that a gem falls to him. It doesn’t seem like it really works that way, though. Story was a nice glove, for sure, but offered little else. He was also a strikeout machine when he did play…which wasn’t often. But my real beef with Bloom is the Mookie trade. Did Henry order him to cut payroll? Did he HAVE to attach Price to that deal? The Dodgers always have one of the best minor league systems and he simply needed to come back with much more for the best player the Sox have produced in 50+ years. Verdugo is average/above average but Mookie is a generational talent. It’s not Verdugo’s fault, but you don’t trade down from Mookie to that and NOT expect to suffer the consequences. In my opinion, that trade set them back 4-5 years. Maybe more. And that’s all on Bloom.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 13, 2023 16:28:32 GMT -5
The point is that when you’re in asset management you have many holdings, want all of them to do well and follow them all deeply. Alright I can see that, but “do well” for an asset can mean things besides win no matter what, even if it does it doesn’t mean you are good at optimizing for that goal, and I don’t agree that being a hedge fund manager means you will be a good baseball owner. True but, my man, we have won 4 World Series during his ownership. The asset mgmt component was more related to how people questioned how deeply he was following the Sox. I’m in my 30s but old enough to remember what it was like before he owned the team.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 13, 2023 16:32:17 GMT -5
Alright I can see that, but “do well” for an asset can mean things besides win no matter what, even if it does it doesn’t mean you are good at optimizing for that goal, and I don’t agree that being a hedge fund manager means you will be a good baseball owner. True but, my man, we have won 4 World Series during his ownership. The asset mgmt component was more related to how people questioned how deeply he was following the Sox. I’m in my 30s but old enough to remember what it was like before he owned the team. Yeah on your broader point we agree, he's not the problem and honestly for how successful the team has been with him as owner it's almost astounding how much hate he gets (some of it definitely self imposed).
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 13, 2023 16:37:55 GMT -5
Alright I can see that, but “do well” for an asset can mean things besides win no matter what, even if it does it doesn’t mean you are good at optimizing for that goal, and I don’t agree that being a hedge fund manager means you will be a good baseball owner. True but, my man, we have won 4 World Series during his ownership. The asset mgmt component was more related to how people questioned how deeply he was following the Sox. I’m in my 30s but old enough to remember what it was like before he owned the team. He’s the best owner they’ve ever had and one of the best things to happen to the Sox in their history. He took them from hearing chants of “19-18” to winning 4 titles. He also completely renovated Fenway and made the surrounding area much nicer and more modern. In 2004, I think the Sox/Fenway were his favorite toys in his entire toy chest. But now he has a whole bunch of other toys and maybe the Sox aren’t getting the same love from him as they once did. I’d love to get back to the early 2000’s playbook starting with bringing Theo back to lead the team. That’s when they were truly at their best.
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Post by backwardsk on Apr 13, 2023 16:52:29 GMT -5
The Sox have probably lost the division in April already. You can't win the division in April, but you can you lose it.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 13, 2023 17:04:30 GMT -5
Idk. The man has been unburying us out of the money hole Boston should never have been in the first place. All I'm saying is after this year 80-1oo mill in cap room and our prospects closer. That is what i think the goal is. Have 60-100 mill available after every season and have a team full of home grown players and use the money for fill ins and if you're a contender "like the rays" make the splashes needed to win it all. Use the money to hopefully pay your home grown players hoping to get a discount. "like the rays". The most important part is drafting and developing. Bloom did go over the cap last year for Tommy Pham, which was inexplicable and cost prospects and high draft picks. Its possible that was ownership’s call though not Bloom’s. Pham was not the reason the Sox were over the LT
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 13, 2023 17:27:34 GMT -5
True but, my man, we have won 4 World Series during his ownership. The asset mgmt component was more related to how people questioned how deeply he was following the Sox. I’m in my 30s but old enough to remember what it was like before he owned the team. Yeah on your broader point we agree, he's not the problem and honestly for how successful the team has been with him as owner it's almost astounding how much hate he gets (some of it definitely self imposed). I'm less critical of Henry, but I detest Tom Werner, who would sell his handicapped grandmother property in a swamp if it suited his needs. I'm in my mid forties, I remember 86 very vividly, so I am appreciative of the 4 championships. When Bloom came here I had high hopes, we always seem to be schizophrenic in our decision making from one group of ops to another, and for years I wanted a balance between the now, and the future. I thought Bloom could bring that here given how TB transformed from a bottom feeder to a perennial winner. So far my initial hope has not been rewarded. Right now what I see is a bloated payroll, prospects not panning out at all (TBD on Casas IMO), and a hyper-focus on utility over getting the best guy to play a position. Listen, it's great to have defensive versatility if guys can hit, that means you can find creative ways to get them into the lineup every night, but right now we have like 6 players who can play multiple positions who couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat. That defeats the purpose of utility, it's only useful if they can produce. And yes, I do put that on Bloom, you can say what you want about the salary tax, and it's not like the Sox aren't spending, they are just allocating resources foolishly in my opinion. They could better absorb Sale's sucking if they weren't blowing wads of money on guys who are getting starter looks who don't deserve it. Add into that gambling on older injured players, and older players in general and it's a recipe for the turd soup we've all been watching this series. Approximately 66 million in sunk payroll, and that doesn't even include we're still paying Barnes 4.something million. There are teams with a full payroll in that range. Maybe it's early, maybe the cavalry comes and the pitching rights the ship, and this is all water under the bridge. I'm not rooting against Bloom, I'm a Sox fan, I obviously want him to succeed, otherwise my nights this summer will be pure torture. Based on the evidence I've seen with my eyes however, I can no longer blindly support him.
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 13, 2023 17:31:22 GMT -5
Bloom did go over the cap last year for Tommy Pham, which was inexplicable and cost prospects and high draft picks. Its possible that was ownership’s call though not Bloom’s. Pham was not the reason the Sox were over the LT More to the point though, is that they went over by just 2.8mm. It's beyond ridiculous that he couldn't get the team under the cap.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Apr 13, 2023 17:49:54 GMT -5
This season hasn’t been fun at all. Very thankful for the Bruins and Celtics looking poised for deep playoff runs. Definitely gotta tip your cap to the Rays. Not sure if they can stay close to this pace, but no question they are our daddy right now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 13, 2023 17:56:31 GMT -5
This season hasn’t been fun at all. Very thankful for the Bruins and Celtics looking poised for deep playoff runs. Definitely gotta tip your cap to the Rays. Not sure if they can stay close to this pace, but no question they are our daddy right now. If they're the Sox daddy, then the Jays are their grandfather and the Yankees are their uncle. I guess that makes the Pirates their older brother and the Tigers their toy to play with, lol
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Post by Guidas on Apr 13, 2023 17:56:47 GMT -5
Yikes. I’d be surprised if Bloom made it through the whole season Unless he was guaranteed 6 years, because it's looking like 2025 will be the earliest this team will have a pulse. If he was and they want to separate, they can pay him out and Bloom can go to Tahiti or Bali or whatever on John Henry's dime. I am not a fan of the guy, but it's still early. Now, if the team still looks hapless against all but the worst competition on, say, July 1, then a different narrative may have merit.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 13, 2023 18:13:03 GMT -5
Pham was not the reason the Sox were over the LT More to the point though, is that they went over by just 2.8mm. It's beyond ridiculous that he couldn't get the team under the cap. It was $6.1 million. They could have gotten under the threshold, but at a minimum it would have required trading a guy in the Eovaldi or Martinez tier. There was no way to get under without committing to selling at the deadline, which would have meant punting on the season. They clearly weren't ready to do that, which I think was a mistake, but I'm just saying that acquiring Tommy Pham was not the decision that mattered.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 13, 2023 18:28:37 GMT -5
Twins with a 7 run 1st against the MFY in NY, the world is upside down if the Twins actually beat the MFY lol
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 13, 2023 18:34:16 GMT -5
Twins with a 7 run 1st against the MFY in NY, the world is upside down if the Twins actually beat the MFY lol 9*
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 13, 2023 18:39:55 GMT -5
It's a long season and I certainly try not to over react early, yet omg look at that lineup, look at the #3 and #4 hitter.
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Post by Canseco on Apr 13, 2023 19:20:26 GMT -5
It's a long season and I certainly try not to over react early, yet omg look at that lineup, look at the #3 and #4 hitter. Yeah. That’s what’s been bothering me. That lineup is U-G-L-Y. Thank heavens Bloom prioritized pitching and defense this season. Urrrrr…
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