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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 13, 2023 15:13:57 GMT -5
Its Blooms fault that the players are playing well below their own standards or the coaching? Pretty sure just BA and ERA every players is very close or at worst BA of career and every pitcher is at career high in ERA. That isn't on Bloom I'm sorry. It's Bloom's fault that Xander has a 1.046 OPS in San Diego It's Bloom's fault that Hunter Renfroe has a .972 OPS in Anaheim etc. etc. etc. good point because with them 2 we would still be losing by 2-3 runs a game instead of 5-6
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Post by pappyman99 on Apr 13, 2023 15:17:11 GMT -5
Yikes. I’d be surprised if Bloom made it through the whole season Its Blooms fault that the players are playing well below their own standards or the coaching? Pretty sure just BA and ERA every players is very close or at worst BA of career and every pitcher is at career high in ERA. That isn't on Bloom I'm sorry. It’s early but Bloom basically and masterfully deconstructed a World Series roster. Every year the roster gets worse and every year people dig in deeper of his defense He will for sure be gone before the season is out if the season does in fact derail, but we won’t be able to confirm anything until mid June
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 13, 2023 15:24:03 GMT -5
Its Blooms fault that the players are playing well below their own standards or the coaching? Pretty sure just BA and ERA every players is very close or at worst BA of career and every pitcher is at career high in ERA. That isn't on Bloom I'm sorry. It’s early but Bloom basically and masterfully deconstructed a World Series roster. Every year the roster gets worse and every year people dig in deeper of his defense He will for sure be gone before the season is out of the season doesn’t in fact derail, but we won’t be able to confirm anything until mid June Idk. The man has been unburying us out of the money hole Boston should never have been in the first place. All I'm saying is after this year 80-1oo mill in cap room and our prospects closer. That is what i think the goal is. Have 60-100 mill available after every season and have a team full of home grown players and use the money for fill ins and if you're a contender "like the rays" make the splashes needed to win it all. Use the money to hopefully pay your home grown players hoping to get a discount. "like the rays". The most important part is drafting and developing.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 13, 2023 15:31:05 GMT -5
It’s early but Bloom basically and masterfully deconstructed a World Series roster. Every year the roster gets worse and every year people dig in deeper of his defense He will for sure be gone before the season is out of the season doesn’t in fact derail, but we won’t be able to confirm anything until mid June Idk. The man has been unburying us out of the money hole Boston should never have been in the first place. All I'm saying is after this year 80-1oo mill in cap room and our prospects closer. That is what i think the goal is. Have 60-100 mill available after every season and have a team full of home grown players and use the money for fill ins and if you're a contender "like the rays" make the splashes needed to win it all. Use the money to hopefully pay your home grown players hoping to get a discount. "like the rays". The most important part is drafting and developing. Bloom did go over the cap last year for Tommy Pham, which was inexplicable and cost prospects and high draft picks. Its possible that was ownership’s call though not Bloom’s.
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 13, 2023 15:31:10 GMT -5
It’s early but Bloom basically and masterfully deconstructed a World Series roster. Every year the roster gets worse and every year people dig in deeper of his defense He will for sure be gone before the season is out of the season doesn’t in fact derail, but we won’t be able to confirm anything until mid June Idk. The man has been unburying us out of the money hole Boston should never have been in the first place. All I'm saying is after this year 80-1oo mill in cap room and our prospects closer. That is what i think the goal is. Have 60-100 mill available after every season and have a team full of home grown players and use the money for fill ins and if you're a contender "like the rays" make the splashes needed to win it all. Use the money to hopefully pay your home grown players hoping to get a discount. "like the rays". The most important part is drafting and developing. I'm sure that was the long term "plan," but have the Sox shown the same ability to develop players like the Rays?
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 13, 2023 15:32:55 GMT -5
Idk. The man has been unburying us out of the money hole Boston should never have been in the first place. All I'm saying is after this year 80-1oo mill in cap room and our prospects closer. That is what i think the goal is. Have 60-100 mill available after every season and have a team full of home grown players and use the money for fill ins and if you're a contender "like the rays" make the splashes needed to win it all. Use the money to hopefully pay your home grown players hoping to get a discount. "like the rays". The most important part is drafting and developing. Bloom did go over the cap last year for Tommy Pham, which was inexplicable and cost prospects and high draft picks. Its possible that was ownership’s call though not Bloom’s. How about signing a pitcher that spent the whole year on IL.
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Post by trajanacc on Apr 13, 2023 15:33:06 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of people are ripping Bloom for subpar roster management, and a lot of people are pointing out bad luck/injury/small sample size. From my perspective, both camps are right. They aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 13, 2023 15:36:22 GMT -5
Idk. The man has been unburying us out of the money hole Boston should never have been in the first place. All I'm saying is after this year 80-1oo mill in cap room and our prospects closer. That is what i think the goal is. Have 60-100 mill available after every season and have a team full of home grown players and use the money for fill ins and if you're a contender "like the rays" make the splashes needed to win it all. Use the money to hopefully pay your home grown players hoping to get a discount. "like the rays". The most important part is drafting and developing. I'm sure that was the long term "plan," but have the Sox shown the same ability to develop players like the Rays?Baseball player development is extremely cyclical and a crapshoot if you ask me. For a period with X, Rafi, Mookie, Etc. the Sox were arguably the best in the business at it. Since then it's been pretty much crickets. I won't discount what the Rays have been pulling off for seemingly a decade+ now with their development though, it's extremely impressive. I guess my main point is that it's unreasonable to expect the Sox to develop ML caliber players each and every year, especially as a large market squad who doesn't get the same competitive balance advantage bologna that the Rays get. The Sox are obviously in a big lull right now in developing players to bolster the ML roster which is probably the biggest contributor to their struggles last season and so far this year. It does seem they have some intriguing players developing right now but unfortunately they are all pretty much at AA or lower so they aren't likely to be contributors until mid-way through 2024 at the earliest.
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Post by semperfisox on Apr 13, 2023 15:38:17 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of people are ripping Bloom for subpar roster management, and a lot of people are pointing out bad luck/injury/small sample size. From my perspective, both camps are right. They aren't mutually exclusive. When you sign injury prone players and they get injured….part of his poor roster management.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 13, 2023 15:40:12 GMT -5
It’s early but Bloom basically and masterfully deconstructed a World Series roster. Every year the roster gets worse and every year people dig in deeper of his defense He will for sure be gone before the season is out of the season doesn’t in fact derail, but we won’t be able to confirm anything until mid June Idk. The man has been unburying us out of the money hole Boston should never have been in the first place. All I'm saying is after this year 80-1oo mill in cap room and our prospects closer. That is what i think the goal is. Have 60-100 mill available after every season and have a team full of home grown players and use the money for fill ins and if you're a contender "like the rays" make the splashes needed to win it all. Use the money to hopefully pay your home grown players hoping to get a discount. "like the rays". The most important part is drafting and developing. How are you getting to $60M to $100M in spending room after this season? I have KKH coming off the books for $10M, Duvall for $7M, Paxton for $4M, and Mondesi for $3M. Then you have the Turner and Kluber options and a few low-salaried guys. Even without Turner and Kluber you'd be below $50M and not in the same universe as $100M.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 13, 2023 15:40:59 GMT -5
It's Bloom's fault that Xander has a 1.046 OPS in San Diego It's Bloom's fault that Hunter Renfroe has a .972 OPS in Anaheim etc. etc. etc. good point because with them 2 we would still be losing by 2-3 runs a game instead of 5-6 An extra run or 2 yesterday would have helped.
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 13, 2023 15:44:48 GMT -5
I'm sure that was the long term "plan," but have the Sox shown the same ability to develop players like the Rays?Baseball player development is extremely cyclical and a crapshoot if you ask me. For a period with X, Rafi, Mookie, Etc. the Sox were arguably the best in the business at it. Since then it's been pretty much crickets. I won't discount what the Rays have been pulling off for seemingly a decade+ now with their development though, it's extremely impressive. I guess my main point is that it's unreasonable to expect the Sox to develop ML caliber players each and every year, especially as a large market squad who doesn't get the same competitive balance advantage bologna that the Rays get. The Sox are obviously in a big lull right now in developing players to bolster the ML roster which is probably the biggest contributor to their struggles last season and so far this year. It does seem they have some intriguing players developing right now but unfortunately they are all pretty much at AA or lower so they aren't likely to be contributors until mid-way through 2024 at the earliest. Agree about the cyclical nature of developing talent, but my worry is that they want to be the Rays of the north without any indication they can be. Springs and Beeks are 2 that immediately come to mind. If Bloom wanted to follow the Ray's path, he should've traded Bogaerts a year or two ago for some high level prospects. Or at least steal their whole pitching development staff.
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Post by trajanacc on Apr 13, 2023 15:45:46 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of people are ripping Bloom for subpar roster management, and a lot of people are pointing out bad luck/injury/small sample size. From my perspective, both camps are right. They aren't mutually exclusive. When you sign injury prone players and they get injured….part of his poor roster management. I think your assumption that players who have been injured in the past are more likely to get injured in the future is a flawed one. For sure, some guys have bad habits or brittle bodies, but more often than not, players who get injured a lot are probably just unlucky.
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 13, 2023 15:46:38 GMT -5
Yikes. I’d be surprised if Bloom made it through the whole season Its Blooms fault that the players are playing well below their own standards or the coaching? Pretty sure just BA and ERA every players is very close or at worst BA of career and every pitcher is at career high in ERA. That isn't on Bloom I'm sorry. Bloom is the one building the roster. Bloom is the one that traded Mookie for a couple dozen baseballs. Bloom is the one that lowballed Xander and expedited HIS departure. He has his fingerprints on every player on the roster. How can you NOT blame him? The only thing that might save his job is that John Henry is too busy with other endeavors to actually follow the Sox.
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Post by trajanacc on Apr 13, 2023 15:50:10 GMT -5
Its Blooms fault that the players are playing well below their own standards or the coaching? Pretty sure just BA and ERA every players is very close or at worst BA of career and every pitcher is at career high in ERA. That isn't on Bloom I'm sorry. Bloom is the one building the roster. Bloom is the one that traded Mookie for a couple dozen baseballs. Bloom is the one that lowballed Xander and expedited HIS departure. He has his fingerprints on every player on the roster. How can you NOT blame him? The only thing that might save his job is that John Henry is too busy with other endeavors to actually follow the Sox. Do you actually believe this is true?
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 13, 2023 15:50:50 GMT -5
This lineup and pitcher if staff is a joke for what our payroll is. Yes that falls directly on Bloom. well his best 2 signings are on the DL. If we had Duvall and Story and with Paxton that's 30 million coming back this team looks totally different but that's also if Sale can regain form. I think our problem is coaching. How is EVERYONE slumping. These are players with proven track records playing way below their standards. That has nothing to do with the GM. Coaching SUCKS this year. Talent isnt GREAT but with good coaching were a hell of a lot better then this. Oy Paxton! I forgot about that one. He lit $15m(?) on fire for that guy under the guise of “maybe the perpetually injured guy can be healthy if I overpay him!” Just a disaster.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 13, 2023 15:53:09 GMT -5
Idk. The man has been unburying us out of the money hole Boston should never have been in the first place. All I'm saying is after this year 80-1oo mill in cap room and our prospects closer. That is what i think the goal is. Have 60-100 mill available after every season and have a team full of home grown players and use the money for fill ins and if you're a contender "like the rays" make the splashes needed to win it all. Use the money to hopefully pay your home grown players hoping to get a discount. "like the rays". The most important part is drafting and developing. How are you getting to $60M to $100M in spending room after this season? I have KKH coming off the books for $10M, Duvall for $7M, Paxton for $4M, and Mondesi for $3M. Then you have the Turner and Kluber options and a few low-salaried guys. Even without Turner and Kluber you'd be below $50M and not in the same universe as $100M. Well depending where you look they are anywhere from 10-20 mil under the luxury tax this year but I'm with you I'm not seeing 60-100M available considering how Devers extension and AAV jumps up quite a bit next year and they'll have the usual jumps in arb #s to cut into shedding FAs off the books. Not to mention as we've seen this team is flawed and will need replacements for those guys. I do think they should have plenty of payroll flexibility in the coming years but it's not as if they'll have tons and tons of it.
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Post by manfred on Apr 13, 2023 15:53:53 GMT -5
Expected hits in the bottom of the 5th: 2.24
Balls hit with xBA of more than .400: 0
Balls hit with EV greater than 91 mph: 1
PA with a higher EV (100.8) and higher xBA (.500) than anything in the bottom of the inning: final out of the top
Odds that any of this will be mentioned by local press (Speier excluded): 0
Hoe would you work that into an article? “The Red Sox, currently sucking in all areas of baseball, like every team ever had a few bad breaks one inning.”?
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Post by manfred on Apr 13, 2023 15:55:08 GMT -5
well his best 2 signings are on the DL. If we had Duvall and Story and with Paxton that's 30 million coming back this team looks totally different but that's also if Sale can regain form. I think our problem is coaching. How is EVERYONE slumping. These are players with proven track records playing way below their standards. That has nothing to do with the GM. Coaching SUCKS this year. Talent isnt GREAT but with good coaching were a hell of a lot better then this. They were all hot like 5 days ago. They're all "slumping" now because they faced probably the best pitching team in the majors for 4 games in a row, and they've been kinda killed on the BABIP to boot.
The Rays gave up 2 R/G before the Red Sox series. The Red Sox scored 3.8 R/G against them.
5 days ago coning off the Tigers? I think I’d be hot.
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 13, 2023 15:55:35 GMT -5
Bloom is the one building the roster. Bloom is the one that traded Mookie for a couple dozen baseballs. Bloom is the one that lowballed Xander and expedited HIS departure. He has his fingerprints on every player on the roster. How can you NOT blame him? The only thing that might save his job is that John Henry is too busy with other endeavors to actually follow the Sox. Do you actually believe this is true? I am of the belief that John Henry has had a diminished interest in the Sox as his portfolio has spread into other areas, yes. Not that I think he’s a bad owner, in general, I just don’t think he’s as plugged in as he was, say 20 years ago.
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Post by stanpapi on Apr 13, 2023 16:00:43 GMT -5
Its Blooms fault that the players are playing well below their own standards or the coaching? Pretty sure just BA and ERA every players is very close or at worst BA of career and every pitcher is at career high in ERA. That isn't on Bloom I'm sorry. Bloom is the one building the roster. Bloom is the one that traded Mookie for a couple dozen baseballs. Bloom is the one that lowballed Xander and expedited HIS departure. He has his fingerprints on every player on the roster. How can you NOT blame him? The only thing that might save his job is that John Henry is too busy with other endeavors to actually follow the Sox. Based on what I have heard and seen, it appears that Henry really like Bloom. Maybe because he is saving him money.. dunno for sure. Since Cora is NOT a Bloom hire .. perhaps Cora is the likely scapegoat. Bloom IS responsible for signing a bunch of dimes instead of a dollar but the manager is often the first to go,. He has 0 shelf life left
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 13, 2023 16:03:14 GMT -5
Expected hits in the bottom of the 5th: 2.24
Balls hit with xBA of more than .400: 0
Balls hit with EV greater than 91 mph: 1
PA with a higher EV (100.8) and higher xBA (.500) than anything in the bottom of the inning: final out of the top
Odds that any of this will be mentioned by local press (Speier excluded): 0
Hoe would you work that into an article? “The Red Sox, currently sucking in all areas of baseball, like every team ever had a few bad breaks one inning.”? "The Red Sox, who were outscored 26 to 12 in the series and outplayed in every facet of the game by a younger, more athletic and smartly constructed team, lost all four games due to bad luck and injuries."
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Post by congusgambler33 on Apr 13, 2023 16:03:29 GMT -5
This yeaar was supposed to be a year where moves were made to make them competitive. BABIP hitters to maximize the offense to keep the line moving. A big chink in the armor was Duvall going down plus Arroyo,Kiké and Casas not performing as they expected. Turner has started slow and Yoshida has been chasing pitches.
As it stands, almost everything they counted on blew up in their face. Hopefully the homestand can right the ship some, but the 4 game sweep to the Rays was a big gut punch to their plans.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 13, 2023 16:03:32 GMT -5
They were all hot like 5 days ago. They're all "slumping" now because they faced probably the best pitching team in the majors for 4 games in a row, and they've been kinda killed on the BABIP to boot.
The Rays gave up 2 R/G before the Red Sox series. The Red Sox scored 3.8 R/G against them.
5 days ago coning off the Tigers? I think I’d be hot. Right - they hit well against bad pitching staffs and less well against a good one. The early signs point to the offense being somewhere between very good and very bad. Which I don't think is a revelation.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 13, 2023 16:06:15 GMT -5
Its Blooms fault that the players are playing well below their own standards or the coaching? Pretty sure just BA and ERA every players is very close or at worst BA of career and every pitcher is at career high in ERA. That isn't on Bloom I'm sorry. Bloom is the one building the roster. Bloom is the one that traded Mookie for a couple dozen baseballs. Bloom is the one that lowballed Xander and expedited HIS departure. He has his fingerprints on every player on the roster. How can you NOT blame him? The only thing that might save his job is that John Henry is too busy with other endeavors to actually follow the Sox. There's some truth in both. If Turner happened to have a 1.000 OPS and Kiké returned to form then we're probably talking about a good job Bloom had done. Still, it's his analysis, his scouting team, his talent evaluators and medical staff. Duvall was a gem, that was a kudos to him. I don't completely call the injury a freak one because he's almost 35 and had surgery on that same exact wrist last year. I feel like he was more prone to this injury than someone like Duran. But, that aside. He low-balled Xander and he left and is crushing it elsewhere. He traded Renfroe to capitalize on his value and Renfroe is still hitting well and the prospects they got back haven't been good. Benny was a bad trade for a spell (he was bit overrated since he left) and the Red Sox are now hopefully getting value back from Wink, that's TBD, but encouraging. Kiké was a good signing when he first came here. Now, not so great. Justin Turner is 38 so I can see him having a range of possible outcomes. Yoshida has been awful. Below average defense who hits like Lars Anderson. I'm not writing off his career after a handful of MLB games, but he needs to start generating lift. He signed Trevor Story and I believe there was a risk with his health. I liked the signing, but it hasn't really paid dividends. Last year was his lowest GP and this year is obviously going to top that. Will he have the arm for SS? The Mookie trade was a disaster. They got an average player for a HoFer. His bullpens have not been good. The good moves have been far and few apart.
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