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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 14, 2023 8:33:59 GMT -5
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Post by alan on Apr 15, 2023 12:47:42 GMT -5
Asking for anyone with more knowledge, but why haven’t they tried turning Liu into a reliever? I live in Taiwan and all my friends think he could be a nasty reliever
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 15, 2023 13:20:28 GMT -5
Asking for anyone with more knowledge, but why haven’t they tried turning Liu into a reliever? I live in Taiwan and all my friends think he could be a nasty reliever Developmentally speaking, there’s very little to gain from turning a starter into a reliever early in their development process. Even if you’re not convinced the pitcher is a starter long term, it’s logical to get them as many innings as possible to let them work on things and then you can always ramp them down into shorter stints later on as needed. In theory it’s very much unlikely that you can turn a guy into a reliever too late but you can certainly do it too early and missing a developmental “click” to where he may stick as a low-end starter, which is still valuable. The same thing applies to Wikelman Gonzalez in my mind. A poster yesterday had what I perceived to be a snap judgment to a report from another poster that he lost velo as the game went on and basically said “well better just turn him into a closer already”. But if you have a guy like him with three potential plus pitches, or at least above average ones, you give him every chance to be a starter and worry about the relief risk later. Don’t get me wrong I’ve penciled in Wikelman as a likely relief guy for a while now given his velocity sustainability and size, but they should give him every chance to develop a starter’s arsenal and calling for him to be sent to the bullpen because of effectively one appearance when he’s at this stage in his development is.. pretty rash. Add: even outside of the developmental aspect, it’s just a bad value proposition. Starters are considerably more valuable than relievers so you should be taking as many swings at developing starters as you can until you’re absolutely sure they’re not cut out for it. Liu will probably end up a reliever but for now while he still has a chance of more it’s worth waiting to see. |
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 15, 2023 13:41:47 GMT -5
Asking for anyone with more knowledge, but why haven’t they tried turning Liu into a reliever? I live in Taiwan and all my friends think he could be a nasty reliever Agreed, but I think he’s still early in his development (was a two way player and had an arm injury), so he’ll get more reps as a starter. I really want to see him make it though, that would be fun to have our Wang Chien Ming antidote! |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 15, 2023 15:01:01 GMT -5
Looks like Perales is pitching game 1 of the Salem DH.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 15, 2023 15:03:49 GMT -5
Line drive single off a slider for Bleis in the 1st.
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Post by shagworthy on Apr 15, 2023 15:41:14 GMT -5
Asking for anyone with more knowledge, but why haven’t they tried turning Liu into a reliever? I live in Taiwan and all my friends think he could be a nasty reliever Developmentally speaking, there’s very little to gain from turning a starter into a reliever early in their development process. Even if you’re not convinced the pitcher is a starter long term, it’s logical to get them as many innings as possible to let them work on things and then you can always ramp them down into shorter stints later on as needed. In theory it’s very much unlikely that you can turn a guy into a reliever too late but you can certainly do it too early and missing a developmental “click” to where he may stick as a low-end starter, which is still valuable. The same thing applies to Wikelman Gonzalez in my mind. A poster yesterday had what I perceived to be a snap judgment to a report from another poster that he lost velo as the game went on and basically said “well better just turn him into a closer already”. But if you have a guy like him with three potential plus pitches, or at least above average ones, you give him every chance to be a starter and worry about the relief risk later. Don’t get me wrong I’ve penciled in Wikelman as a likely relief guy for a while now given his velocity sustainability and size, but they should give him every chance to develop a starter’s arsenal and calling for him to be sent to the bullpen because of effectively one appearance when he’s at this stage in his development is.. pretty rash. Add: even outside of the developmental aspect, it’s just a bad value proposition. Starters are considerably more valuable than relievers so you should be taking as many swings at developing starters as you can until you’re absolutely sure they’re not cut out for it. Liu will probably end up a reliever but for now while he still has a chance of more it’s worth waiting to see. And for the record, at least from what I saw, the loss of velocity was a byproduct of having to throw out of the stretch, which means its purely mechanical and he should get a chance to tighten that up. His 2nd inning was ugly after he gave up a hit to the first batter, he looked like a completely different pitcher out of the stretch. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 15, 2023 15:59:18 GMT -5
Perales is done after only getting seven outs (a couple of which were a result of good defensive plays). Only threw 31 of 64 pitches for strikes.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 15, 2023 16:31:27 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 15, 2023 17:28:37 GMT -5
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Post by vino313 on Apr 15, 2023 17:58:13 GMT -5
Box score says Coffey was removed from the second game after getting HBP in the first.
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 15, 2023 18:36:29 GMT -5
Box score says Coffey was removed from the second game after getting HBP in the first. Looked like right wrist, possibly right above the wrist |
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 15, 2023 19:01:34 GMT -5
Enmanuel Valdez climbing out the abyss with a 3-4, 2b, hr, bb day. His line has upgrade from abysmal to now merely bad: .200/.317/.371. Next stop: average!
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 15, 2023 19:06:02 GMT -5
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Post by greatscottcooper on Apr 15, 2023 19:11:45 GMT -5
Box score says Coffey was removed from the second game after getting HBP in the first. Looked like right wrist, possibly right above the wrist r Right above the wrist as in his hand? Or forearm? |
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 15, 2023 19:18:50 GMT -5
forearm/wrist. He walked to first right away, didn't look like a major injury
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Post by alan on Apr 15, 2023 21:02:37 GMT -5
Asking for anyone with more knowledge, but why haven’t they tried turning Liu into a reliever? I live in Taiwan and all my friends think he could be a nasty reliever Developmentally speaking, there’s very little to gain from turning a starter into a reliever early in their development process. Even if you’re not convinced the pitcher is a starter long term, it’s logical to get them as many innings as possible to let them work on things and then you can always ramp them down into shorter stints later on as needed. In theory it’s very much unlikely that you can turn a guy into a reliever too late but you can certainly do it too early and missing a developmental “click” to where he may stick as a low-end starter, which is still valuable. The same thing applies to Wikelman Gonzalez in my mind. A poster yesterday had what I perceived to be a snap judgment to a report from another poster that he lost velo as the game went on and basically said “well better just turn him into a closer already”. But if you have a guy like him with three potential plus pitches, or at least above average ones, you give him every chance to be a starter and worry about the relief risk later. Don’t get me wrong I’ve penciled in Wikelman as a likely relief guy for a while now given his velocity sustainability and size, but they should give him every chance to develop a starter’s arsenal and calling for him to be sent to the bullpen because of effectively one appearance when he’s at this stage in his development is.. pretty rash. Add: even outside of the developmental aspect, it’s just a bad value proposition. Starters are considerably more valuable than relievers so you should be taking as many swings at developing starters as you can until you’re absolutely sure they’re not cut out for it. Liu will probably end up a reliever but for now while he still has a chance of more it’s worth waiting to see. This is really helpful, thanks! |
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 15, 2023 21:11:45 GMT -5
Chase Meidroth is 0-0 with four walks and a run scored. Dude simply does not expand the zone. 11 walks now in 29 plate appearances.
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