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5/1-5/4 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
TearsIn04
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 1, 2023 21:55:44 GMT -5
Verdugo didn’t keep it clean lol. I thought I may have heard an f-bomb when he got hit with the Gatorade but I wasn't sure. I noticed that in his last walkoff interview, it sounded like he was going to drop one but he caught himself and giggled about it. Gotta love the kid.
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Post by grandsalami on May 1, 2023 22:02:33 GMT -5
Joe crede! Thats a blast from the past
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Post by keninten on May 1, 2023 22:12:35 GMT -5
After he hits it he knows it`s a long fly or gone. When he knows it, he hits 2nd gear.
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Post by keninten on May 1, 2023 22:14:52 GMT -5
Joe crede! Thats a blast from the past When he came up I thought he was going to be really good.
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Post by notstarboard on May 1, 2023 22:16:21 GMT -5
Joe crede! Thats a blast from the past And that's 3+ RBI. I wonder how many of the other guys had 3+ distinct walkoff hits.
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Post by soxfaninnj on May 1, 2023 22:22:19 GMT -5
Verdugo didn’t keep it clean lol. I thought I may have heard an f-bomb when he got hit with the Gatorade but I wasn't sure. I noticed that in his last walkoff interview, it sounded like he was going to drop one but he caught himself and giggled about it. Gotta love the kid. I was referring to the wood comment
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 1, 2023 22:27:21 GMT -5
Team BA up to .257 - 4th in the AL, and...team ERA is now under 5 (at 4.99 - for 12th in the AL). Progress!
Things are definitely going in the right direction.
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Post by GyIantosca on May 1, 2023 22:34:45 GMT -5
This is exactly the guy we got the first year of the deal. He was one of the only bright spots. Of that covid team.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2023 22:45:22 GMT -5
While we're giving Verdugo props for his amazing start, and rightfully so, let's not forget Alex Cora in this. Cora knew what buttons to push to get Verdugo to play his butt off, get in shape, and improve his defense, and maximize his talents. You think Verdugo didn't take Cora's words to heart? Of course he did. I don’t buy into that narrative honestly. Pro athletes are self motivated individuals, except very few cases of course, I think more of it is driven by him approaching free agency, becoming a dad and also it’s well documented that he was hurt last year. Verdugo himself has brought this up. No doubt the carrot of a big free agent payday is a motivating factor, but he mentioned what Cora said. Some types of players get motivated by challenges like that. Others get pissed off and tune out. Verdugo is clearly in the former category.
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Post by cdj on May 1, 2023 23:13:44 GMT -5
I think people underestimate what Verdugo played through last season. One of my buddies is close friends with him/his family. I missed a FaceTime from him + Doogs from the players lot after the Yankees walk off- I facetimed back 5 min after and he was already in the clubhouse getting treatment for his injury. It is my biggest regret in the last decade but it speaks to what he went through to play last year and the start this year shows that he is the rakist we hoped he would be
I know I’m random message board guy so take that with whatever grain of salt you will, I’m not offended
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Post by yuchangclan on May 1, 2023 23:37:33 GMT -5
I don’t buy into that narrative honestly. Pro athletes are self motivated individuals, except very few cases of course, I think more of it is driven by him approaching free agency, becoming a dad and also it’s well documented that he was hurt last year. Verdugo himself has brought this up. No doubt the carrot of a big free agent payday is a motivating factor, but he mentioned what Cora said. Some types of players get motivated by challenges like that. Others get pissed off and tune out. Verdugo is clearly in the former category. It definitely sounds plausible. But it also begs the question: “why didn’t Cora have that conversation with him 2 years ago?”
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2023 0:21:48 GMT -5
Verdugo himself has brought this up. No doubt the carrot of a big free agent payday is a motivating factor, but he mentioned what Cora said. Some types of players get motivated by challenges like that. Others get pissed off and tune out. Verdugo is clearly in the former category. It definitely sounds plausible. But it also begs the question: “why didn’t Cora have that conversation with him 2 years ago?” Good question. Maybe he thought Verdugo was going in the wrong direction in 2022 which is what gave him the reason to challenge him during the post-season. I mean he wouldn't have done it during the season or off-season after 2020. Maybe in the offseason after 2021 he figured he'd see what happens or he hadn't seemingly plateaued at that point? I'm just guessing at this point, but he saw something that made him say what he said at the end of last year.
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Post by ericmvan on May 2, 2023 0:36:29 GMT -5
Am I allowed to say I have no beef with the Jays or the O’s? I personally like the Rays. They might not have fans, but they do so much with so little it's remarkable. I'll be rooting for the splits or 2-1 Yankee victories. They have no chance.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2023 0:43:16 GMT -5
Nice to see the Red Sox looking down at the last place Yankees.
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Post by ericmvan on May 2, 2023 4:31:58 GMT -5
Kluber should not be the #1 pitcher on a staff...that is a problem. he is on my sh*t list after this debacle. He was very clearly signed to be the #6 guy, in that 5 guys projected to be better. But we opened the season with 2, 3, and 4 on the IL.
They're about to decide whether Paxton makes his debut in his next start or the one after. If the former, he'll very likely take Kluber's next turn. Next week they have both Monday and Thursday off, and I don't think they want to give anyone 6 days rest, so it's quite possible that after Pivetta's start Wednesday, neither him nor Kluber even get a chance to start until May 14 (last game of the Cardinals series), when they decide on a 5th starter ... which may well be Whitlock.
(How do they make room for Paxton? Has to be Brasier. Whitlock? Who knows. Bernardino has been better than Bleier, so far, and Crawford has been the 3rd best pitcher on the team by xwOBA and 4th by wOBV.
If they decide to start Kluber again in Phillie's game 2, I'll redo the above ...
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Post by ericmvan on May 2, 2023 4:40:58 GMT -5
Fun facts: Jarren Duran is not only 2nd in MLB in fWAR since his callup, he ranks 2nd of 32 in Success Rate Added for CF -- on the season.
Not fun: Kiké has made 72 errors at SS per 150 games.
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Post by costpet on May 2, 2023 6:14:33 GMT -5
Then there’s this…the MFY’s are officially in last place all by themselves. The NY papers will be crucifying them.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 2, 2023 8:08:33 GMT -5
Just a peek at where 538 has things in baseball - looking at AL teams vs the full list, Rays at #3, Astros 4, Jays 6, MFY 8, Twins 10, Guardians 11, Rangers 13, Angels 14, Red Sox 15, Mariners 16, Orioles 18. Red Sox up to 33% chance for a playoff spot. Sox are moving up. projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-mlb-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo
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Post by julyanmorley on May 2, 2023 8:38:52 GMT -5
Pitch modeling thinks Bernandino was very good again, his third game in three days. We may have found something with this dude. Seattle thought they could sneak him through because he had a disaster ERA in 6 AAA innings despite an 11-1 K/BB.
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Post by GyIantosca on May 2, 2023 9:36:50 GMT -5
Well at least we got Berrios out of the way. I don’t know much about todays starter.
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Post by ericmvan on May 2, 2023 10:00:06 GMT -5
Very fun facts ... fWAR and Win Probability Added ranks (PA)
Verdugo 17, 7 (134)
Duvall 36, 8 (37)
Chapman 1, 22(119)
Duran 32, 31 (57)
Betts 31, 45 (125)
Bogaerts 3, 52 (130)
A lot of Xander's fWAR is from defense, but among qualifiers, he's 23rd in wRC+, so 52nd in WPA means he's probably been un-clutch for the 4th straight year. Verdugo is 30th in wRC+.
Duvall + Duran (the killer D's!) combined are .04 behind Alvarez for WPA, way ahead of everyone else, and beat Chapman for the lead in fWAR by .02.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 2, 2023 10:04:57 GMT -5
Kluber should not be the #1 pitcher on a staff...that is a problem. he is on my sh*t list after this debacle. He was very clearly signed to be the #6 guy, in that 5 guys projected to be better. But we opened the season with 2, 3, and 4 on the IL.
They're about to decide whether Paxton makes his debut in his next start or the one after. If the former, he'll very likely take Kluber's next turn. Next week they have both Monday and Thursday off, and I don't think they want to give anyone 6 days rest, so it's quite possible that after Pivetta's start Wednesday, neither him nor Kluber even get a chance to start until May 14 (last game of the Cardinals series), when they decide on a 5th starter ... which may well be Whitlock.
(How do they make room for Paxton? Has to be Brasier. Whitlock? Who knows. Bernardino has been better than Bleier, so far, and Crawford has been the 3rd best pitcher on the team by xwOBA and 4th by wOBV.
If they decide to start Kluber again in Phillie's game 2, I'll redo the above ...
I hope they have Paxton start in Philly and cut ties with Braiser. It is time for both to occur. Cora has a tough decision to make deciding which starter goes to the bullpen soon, but with Braiser gone, there will be a need for a replacement in his slot. When Whitlock comes back, well, if he is not performing effectively, then it may be time to DFA Paxton.
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Post by bosoxnation on May 2, 2023 10:31:14 GMT -5
Kluber should not be the #1 pitcher on a staff...that is a problem. he is on my sh*t list after this debacle. He was very clearly signed to be the #6 guy, in that 5 guys projected to be better. But we opened the season with 2, 3, and 4 on the IL.
They're about to decide whether Paxton makes his debut in his next start or the one after. If the former, he'll very likely take Kluber's next turn. Next week they have both Monday and Thursday off, and I don't think they want to give anyone 6 days rest, so it's quite possible that after Pivetta's start Wednesday, neither him nor Kluber even get a chance to start until May 14 (last game of the Cardinals series), when they decide on a 5th starter ... which may well be Whitlock.
(How do they make room for Paxton? Has to be Brasier. Whitlock? Who knows. Bernardino has been better than Bleier, so far, and Crawford has been the 3rd best pitcher on the team by xwOBA and 4th by wOBV.
If they decide to start Kluber again in Phillie's game 2, I'll redo the above ...
He was signed to be the 6th starter but we threw out there on opening day……. wrong. He was signed to eat up innings and put up a mid 4 era. Which is what he did last year, in the same division . Don’t give up on him yet. Dude went 5 1/3 with 3 earned runs and 7 Ks. Gave up most of his 5 hits to the same guy.
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Post by patford on May 2, 2023 10:33:31 GMT -5
Then there’s this…the MFY’s are officially in last place all by themselves. The NY papers will be crucifying them. Is Tomase writing for the DAILY NEWS now? That would be great.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 2, 2023 10:55:23 GMT -5
All three major defense metrics have Duran at +1 in CF so far
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