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5/1-5/4 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by julyanmorley on May 2, 2023 21:11:15 GMT -5
if he keeps his BB/9 down, I think he’s a good 3rd long reliever. jerrygarciaparra we're making progress
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Post by cdj on May 2, 2023 21:14:26 GMT -5
Crazy that Wong simply decided to be the best catcher in the AL East
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 2, 2023 21:20:54 GMT -5
Crazy that Wong simply decided to be the best catcher in the AL East Never thought I'd say he was the best C on the field in a series against Varsho and Kirk
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Post by grandsalami on May 2, 2023 21:21:53 GMT -5
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 2, 2023 21:22:49 GMT -5
Connor's last name should lend itself to a colorful nickname. I guess if he keeps hitting bombs "Ding Dong Wong" would be an obvious candidate, even though it's corny as hell.
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Post by bosoxnation on May 2, 2023 21:23:01 GMT -5
just went on the mlb shop and bought myself a Masa jersey!!!!!!
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Post by julyanmorley on May 2, 2023 21:28:13 GMT -5
That's my favorite Stats gimmick
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on May 2, 2023 21:47:17 GMT -5
This edition of the Red Sox is very fun to root for. Wondering what it will take for more fans around here to give Bloom more of a chance and some respect. Short answer, more winning. Yoshida is looking great. Wong is looking great, right? Winck is looking great. Verdugo. Schreiber, Whitlock - amazing additions. McGuire - rock solid left-handed hitting catcher. David Hamilton may be able to teach people it was ok to let go of Renfroe or that trades cNt be judged so quickly. Ferguson and Rosier, Valdez and Abreu do not all have to be good but each potential MLB contributor makes it more likely one or more will really break through. Shane Drohan - exciting rising pitcher. Story, Duvall, Mondesi, Paxton, Rodriguez can come back and make the team stronger. And then there is Yorke, Mayer, Romero, Jordan, Bleis rising up in the system. I think Red Sox fans will really start to appreciate Bloom when our system matches up with Tampa Bay's but we spend wisely + abundantly to the luxury tax every year and consistently compete for championships, while reloading with impressive young talent. I am equally impressed by what Bloom has not done. No bad long term deals - provided Story gets healthy and Devers stays good for a long time. Ok, the Barnes deal sucked but he had been great and now he's gone. I understand this fan base needs instant gratification, so winning is the best formula for people to appreciate the work Bloom is doing. But there is 0% of me that wants to hear fan conversation about getting rid of him during or after this year. Let's keep building up a winning system and keep spending wisely, and the wins will flow. Beating the Blue Jays in this series would help and rising in the standings will help, but these Red Sox are fun to watch and I'm eager to see more fans come around. Bloom is looking better and better and I hate to cast shade on a big win. However, since you brought it up, if you're watching the postgame on TBS you'd be listening to Pedro singing Dave Dombrowski's praises and how he'd go get a guy if the Phillies need it. I'm not a believer in Bloom until he shows he can play to win. That’s all well and great if they get a ring during his tenure. Otherwise he will just turn them into the Tigers and bounce
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 2, 2023 21:48:25 GMT -5
This edition of the Red Sox is very fun to root for. Wondering what it will take for more fans around here to give Bloom more of a chance and some respect. Short answer, more winning. Yoshida is looking great. Wong is looking great, right? Winck is looking great. Verdugo. Schreiber, Whitlock - amazing additions. McGuire - rock solid left-handed hitting catcher. David Hamilton may be able to teach people it was ok to let go of Renfroe or that trades cNt be judged so quickly. Ferguson and Rosier, Valdez and Abreu do not all have to be good but each potential MLB contributor makes it more likely one or more will really break through. Shane Drohan - exciting rising pitcher. Story, Duvall, Mondesi, Paxton, Rodriguez can come back and make the team stronger. And then there is Yorke, Mayer, Romero, Jordan, Bleis rising up in the system. I think Red Sox fans will really start to appreciate Bloom when our system matches up with Tampa Bay's but we spend wisely + abundantly to the luxury tax every year and consistently compete for championships, while reloading with impressive young talent. I am equally impressed by what Bloom has not done. No bad long term deals - provided Story gets healthy and Devers stays good for a long time. Ok, the Barnes deal sucked but he had been great and now he's gone. I understand this fan base needs instant gratification, so winning is the best formula for people to appreciate the work Bloom is doing. But there is 0% of me that wants to hear fan conversation about getting rid of him during or after this year. Let's keep building up a winning system and keep spending wisely, and the wins will flow. Beating the Blue Jays in this series would help and rising in the standings will help, but these Red Sox are fun to watch and I'm eager to see more fans come around. Bloom is looking better and better and I hate to cast shade on a big win. However, since you brought it up, if you're watching the postgame on TBS you'd be listening to Pedro singing Dave Dombrowski's praises and how he'd go get a guy if the Phillies need it. I'm not a believer in Bloom until he shows he can play to win. Making a sincere push to lock up Dugo would help my estimation of him. I want Dugo (well, a reasonably priced Dugo) to be a part of a big run I can see this team starting in 2025.
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Post by scottysmalls on May 2, 2023 21:51:20 GMT -5
This edition of the Red Sox is very fun to root for. Wondering what it will take for more fans around here to give Bloom more of a chance and some respect. Short answer, more winning. Yoshida is looking great. Wong is looking great, right? Winck is looking great. Verdugo. Schreiber, Whitlock - amazing additions. McGuire - rock solid left-handed hitting catcher. David Hamilton may be able to teach people it was ok to let go of Renfroe or that trades cNt be judged so quickly. Ferguson and Rosier, Valdez and Abreu do not all have to be good but each potential MLB contributor makes it more likely one or more will really break through. Shane Drohan - exciting rising pitcher. Story, Duvall, Mondesi, Paxton, Rodriguez can come back and make the team stronger. And then there is Yorke, Mayer, Romero, Jordan, Bleis rising up in the system. I think Red Sox fans will really start to appreciate Bloom when our system matches up with Tampa Bay's but we spend wisely + abundantly to the luxury tax every year and consistently compete for championships, while reloading with impressive young talent. I am equally impressed by what Bloom has not done. No bad long term deals - provided Story gets healthy and Devers stays good for a long time. Ok, the Barnes deal sucked but he had been great and now he's gone. I understand this fan base needs instant gratification, so winning is the best formula for people to appreciate the work Bloom is doing. But there is 0% of me that wants to hear fan conversation about getting rid of him during or after this year. Let's keep building up a winning system and keep spending wisely, and the wins will flow. Beating the Blue Jays in this series would help and rising in the standings will help, but these Red Sox are fun to watch and I'm eager to see more fans come around. Bloom is looking better and better and I hate to cast shade on a big win. However, since you brought it up, if you're watching the postgame on TBS you'd be listening to Pedro singing Dave Dombrowski's praises and how he'd go get a guy if the Phillies need it. I'm not a believer in Bloom until he shows he can play to win. Like in 2021 when he added arguably the most impactful player acquired at the trade deadline and did so at less than the market rate? Or this off-season when he signed Devers to the biggest deal in franchise history and made the biggest IFA signing in team history?
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Post by julyanmorley on May 2, 2023 21:51:21 GMT -5
I hate to cast shade on a big win but anybody else worried about who's going to play catcher in 2029 after Chaim lets yet another home grown star walk in free agency?
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Post by blizzards39 on May 2, 2023 21:57:16 GMT -5
I hate to cast shade on a big win but anybody else worried about who's going to play catcher in 2029 after Chaim lets yet another home grown star walk in free agency? All of a sudden the Mookie trade isn’t so painful. Also note that as of now we are in sole possession of WC3. Playoffs here we come
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Post by incandenza on May 2, 2023 22:02:07 GMT -5
Bloom is looking better and better and I hate to cast shade on a big win. However, since you brought it up, if you're watching the postgame on TBS you'd be listening to Pedro singing Dave Dombrowski's praises and how he'd go get a guy if the Phillies need it. I'm not a believer in Bloom until he shows he can play to win. Like in 2021 when he added arguably the most impactful player acquired at the trade deadline and did so at less than the market rate? Or this off-season when he signed Devers to the biggest deal in franchise history and made the biggest IFA signing in team history? No, jlebowski means like when Dombrowski signed Trea Turner to an 11-year deal (76 wRC+ so far). Or when he signed Taijuan Walker (6.91 ERA). Or Craig Kimbrel (5.40 ERA). Or last season when he added Nick Castellanos (0.0 WAR in PHI so far). You know - playing to win. Not like adding guys like Yoshida, Jansen, and Duvall, or extending Devers.
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Post by wildsox on May 2, 2023 22:03:48 GMT -5
It’s great knowing we already have a guaranteed spilt in the series
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 2, 2023 22:07:09 GMT -5
I hate to cast shade on a big win but anybody else worried about who's going to play catcher in 2029 after Chaim lets yet another home grown star walk in free agency? I'm not concerned because Blake Mitchell will be ready to start at C in 2029. By that time, Nathan Hickey will have established himself as an OBP machine platoon guy at 1B and DH.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 2, 2023 22:09:08 GMT -5
It’s great knowing we already have a guaranteed spilt in the series And they’re still above .500 with a split
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Post by GyIantosca on May 2, 2023 22:12:01 GMT -5
So I guess this is the Wick, the FO had in mind when they made the deal. Sometimes it must be frustrating when the team has a certain vision for some of these kids but it can not fulfill. There potential .
I still have some issues with the FO. but this does get me excited these kids are bearing the fruits of there labor.
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Post by wildsox on May 2, 2023 22:12:10 GMT -5
All this and Devers has yet to get really going
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Post by julyanmorley on May 2, 2023 22:15:04 GMT -5
The Oakland A's pitching staff is 8 outs away from doing something that nobody would expect the Oakland A's pitching staff to do
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Post by bluechip on May 2, 2023 22:16:40 GMT -5
Wong’s night:
A different ballpark (eg Toronto’s home park) and he’s got only one homer, the one that in Fenway was a double.
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Post by incandenza on May 2, 2023 22:34:34 GMT -5
To be honest I think that double is a foul ball in most ballparks.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 2, 2023 22:53:13 GMT -5
Wong’s night: A different ballpark (eg Toronto’s home park) and he’s got only one homer, the one that in Fenway was a double. …..and Judge does not hit 62 HRs if he does not play in Yankee stadium…..he does and he had 62 last year. Wong hit two HRs in Fenway, which is two HRs in the book for him…. What if vs. what is. What is is what matters.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2023 23:02:55 GMT -5
I didnt get to see the game tonight but from what I gather it was an impressive win. 2-0 against a team that slaughtered them the year before is a vast improvement.
I'm not ready to print World Series tickets, but there are a lot more good things going on than bad things going on. The questions that started the season are beginning to result in viable answers.
The thing that sticks out to me is the maturation (as it appears now) of 3 young guys making big strides forward, Jarren Duran, Josh Winckowski, and Connor Wong.
Add in a jump to all star status for Verdugo, the apparent confirmation that Yoshida is who they thought he was, and even Kenley pitching like did in his vintage Dodgers days, that's a lot of good things breaking right.
I'm certainly on record with my disagreement on Blooms deadline approach, hus failure to lock up Xander with a legit offer when he had a chance, and my preference of bring back Eovaldi to signing Kluber, but a lot of Bloom's plans are starting to come together.
For the first time in four seasons I'm finally not feeling like they got totally ripped off on the Mookie deal.
I don't know if Wong's track record of low walks high strikeouts will get to him eventually, but at the moment he has emerged and has seized the job, not that McGuire was bad. I have to imagine Varitek is a part of Wong's emergence.
It's huge for the Sox if Wong continues to be a power hitting RH catcher who hits enough and is strong defensively and clamps down on the baserunning game. This turns the catching from being a real problem to being a real strength.
An all star RF and a reasoably strong defensive power hitting catcher is a useful return for a hall of famer. This doesn't erase the past few years for the deal but in the here and now, if Wong and Verdugo carry on, it's the first time I'm not hating the deal.
On a smaller scale, the Benintendi deal is finally palatable, too. Franchy was negative value, but Winckowski has gone from unimpressive rookie to vital part of the bullpen, so they finally got a useful player for an average regular.
So if I can criticize Bloom I can also applaud him when things start to work out.
I need to see more, of course, but for 2023, it's a good start.
The rotation is scary. They need Bello and Sale to truly lead the staff and somebody else to be a viable mid rotation option, dont know if Whitlock and/or Paxton can be that guy given their injury history, but if they can stabilize the rotation, buttress the pen with Houck and keep hitting it could be a really fun summer.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 2, 2023 23:04:42 GMT -5
Sorry i missed the fireworks due to MLB screwing me over when I buy the MLB pass. But it isn't about me (LOL), it is about the guys making it an incredible nightly experience.
SWEEP THE LEG !!!!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 2, 2023 23:05:38 GMT -5
Wong’s night: A different ballpark (eg Toronto’s home park) and he’s got only one homer, the one that in Fenway was a double. …..and Judge does not hit 62 HRs if he does not play in Yankee stadium…..he does and he had 62 last year. Wong hit two HRs in Fenway, which is two HRs in the book for him…. What if vs. what is. What is is what matters. Couldnt agree more with your last sentence.
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