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Post by Guidas on May 15, 2023 11:06:52 GMT -5
I'm at the point where, if these guys have superior command and control, and the requisite velo, then move them to MLB if there's a spot or AAA for 3-5 starts. If they're not getting lit up in AAA then right to the majors. Why waste the bullets when pitchers only have so many?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 15, 2023 11:21:41 GMT -5
I'm at the point where, if these guys have superior command and control, and the requisite velo, then move them to MLB if there's a spot or AAA for 3-5 starts. If they're not getting lit up in AAA then right to the majors. Why waste the bullets when pitchers only have so many? Well, for one thing, you need to have a spot in MLB for the guy. They're not going to just DFA someone to rush Drohan to the bigs. Fwiw, Drohan is not the pitcher you are describing at all.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 15, 2023 11:26:46 GMT -5
I'm at the point where, if these guys have superior command and control, and the requisite velo, then move them to MLB if there's a spot or AAA for 3-5 starts. If they're not getting lit up in AAA then right to the majors. Why waste the bullets when pitchers only have so many? I agree with your philosophy in general, but I don't think Drohan's YTD performance suggests that he is ready to be anything more than a mediocre major leaguer right now. Kutter Crawford isn't in the Sox rotation and he'd be putting up much better than a 4-1 K/BB and average GB% if he was in AA.
I don't mean to be too critical of Drohan. A mediocre major leaguer is a nice thing to develop, and he has traits that make you think he could take another step forward.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 15, 2023 12:38:24 GMT -5
Looks like Grant Gambrell might be moving up to Portland to take Drohan's spot.
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Post by radiohix on May 15, 2023 13:50:05 GMT -5
I'm at the point where, if these guys have superior command and control, and the requisite velo, then move them to MLB if there's a spot or AAA for 3-5 starts. If they're not getting lit up in AAA then right to the majors. Why waste the bullets when pitchers only have so many? Last year Brandon Walter posted an incredible 22.67 K/BB ratio in 50 AA innings then got rocked in his 2 starts AAA starts before hitting the IL and he’s been kinda meh so far in 33 2/3 innings. He’s a great athlete still honing his craft, he needs time imo.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 30, 2023 11:45:08 GMT -5
Now that Mayer has been promoted, I'd imagine we are pretty much out of the woods as far as big time promotions go. Most of the other top prospects are pretty likely to stay where they're at, at least before the late season cup of coffee promotions start. The only guys that I think we should still see in the near future are the guys in that bucket of interesting mid-minors relievers (Troye, Fernandez, Guerrero). Troye has to be coming soon, as he's just destroying that level. Maybe Sikes has a shot at Worcester at some point if Portland winds up too crowded? But outside of the existing Worcester guys coming up to help in Boston in some capacity, I'd be pretty content with the rest of the top 20 staying at their current levels for the rest of the year.
add: forgot Stephen Scott as another obvious promotion candidate remaining
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 30, 2023 11:47:20 GMT -5
Now that Mayer has been promoted, I'd imagine we are pretty much out of the woods as far as big time promotions go. Most of the other top prospects are pretty likely to stay where they're at, at least before the late season cup of coffee promotions start. The only guys that I think we should still see in the near future are the guys in that bucket of interesting mid-minors relievers ( Troye, Fernandez, Guerrero). Troye has to be coming soon, as he's just destroying that level. Maybe Sikes has a shot at Worcester at some point if Portland winds up too crowded? But outside of the existing Worcester guys coming up to help in Boston in some capacity, I'd be pretty content with the rest of the top 20 staying at their current levels for the rest of the year. add: forgot Stephen Scott as another obvious promotion candidate remaining Not 100% confirmed, but I believe Troye is also getting promoted to Portland with Mayer.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 30, 2023 11:51:49 GMT -5
Now that Mayer has been promoted, I'd imagine we are pretty much out of the woods as far as big time promotions go. Most of the other top prospects are pretty likely to stay where they're at, at least before the late season cup of coffee promotions start. The only guys that I think we should still see in the near future are the guys in that bucket of interesting mid-minors relievers ( Troye, Fernandez, Guerrero). Troye has to be coming soon, as he's just destroying that level. Maybe Sikes has a shot at Worcester at some point if Portland winds up too crowded? But outside of the existing Worcester guys coming up to help in Boston in some capacity, I'd be pretty content with the rest of the top 20 staying at their current levels for the rest of the year. add: forgot Stephen Scott as another obvious promotion candidate remaining Not 100% confirmed, but I believe Troye is also getting promoted to Portland with Mayer. Must've missed when that was reported, but I also missed Denlinger's promotion too so not all too surprising. Thanks!
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Post by rismith on May 30, 2023 12:02:14 GMT -5
any news on Romero? still rehab from his back?
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Post by LoneStarSox on May 30, 2023 12:22:14 GMT -5
Now that Mayer has been promoted, I'd imagine we are pretty much out of the woods as far as big time promotions go. Most of the other top prospects are pretty likely to stay where they're at, at least before the late season cup of coffee promotions start. The only guys that I think we should still see in the near future are the guys in that bucket of interesting mid-minors relievers (Troye, Fernandez, Guerrero). Troye has to be coming soon, as he's just destroying that level. Maybe Sikes has a shot at Worcester at some point if Portland winds up too crowded? But outside of the existing Worcester guys coming up to help in Boston in some capacity, I'd be pretty content with the rest of the top 20 staying at their current levels for the rest of the year. add: forgot Stephen Scott as another obvious promotion candidate remaining Not that I think he’s earned it, and I believe sticking at Portland might be best to keep working on his plate discipline, but I could see Cedanne getting promoted before September. Thoughts? Edit: don’t let my avatar stand in the way of this take…
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 30, 2023 12:25:18 GMT -5
Now that Mayer has been promoted, I'd imagine we are pretty much out of the woods as far as big time promotions go. Most of the other top prospects are pretty likely to stay where they're at, at least before the late season cup of coffee promotions start. The only guys that I think we should still see in the near future are the guys in that bucket of interesting mid-minors relievers (Troye, Fernandez, Guerrero). Troye has to be coming soon, as he's just destroying that level. Maybe Sikes has a shot at Worcester at some point if Portland winds up too crowded? But outside of the existing Worcester guys coming up to help in Boston in some capacity, I'd be pretty content with the rest of the top 20 staying at their current levels for the rest of the year. add: forgot Stephen Scott as another obvious promotion candidate remaining Not that I think he’s earned it, and I believe sticking at Portland might be best to keep working on his plate discipline, but I could see Cedanne getting promoted before September. Thoughts? Edit: don’t let my avatar stand in the way of this take… I think that the Sox would love to have reason to promote him, but I can't see it really happening right now. I actually sent an email to the podcast questions address basically asking what do the Red Sox do if his approach just straight up never improves? The defense and athleticism should carry him to an MLB spot at some point but I'm not sure how you'd go about setting benchmarks for promoting him if the thing he's at that level to work on never really gets any better. A pessimistic question to be sure, but I was interested in the thought experiment.
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Post by LoneStarSox on May 30, 2023 12:33:43 GMT -5
Not that I think he’s earned it, and I believe sticking at Portland might be best to keep working on his plate discipline, but I could see Cedanne getting promoted before September. Thoughts? Edit: don’t let my avatar stand in the way of this take… I think that the Sox would love to have reason to promote him, but I can't see it really happening right now. I actually sent an email to the podcast questions address basically asking what do the Red Sox do if his approach just straight up never improves? The defense and athleticism should carry him to an MLB spot at some point but I'm not sure how you'd go about setting benchmarks for promoting him if the thing he's at that level to work on never really gets any better. A pessimistic question to be sure, but I was interested in the thought experiment. Oh absolutely. I think thats a, and thee, logical question to raise. He had so much helium in March I think most, myself included, had expected continued progression. With that not really happening, the question seems to shift from 'how quickly can we add a 3+ war outfielder to the club?' to, 'how quickly do we move an elite, defense first utility man?' Both good problems to have and important questions to answer, one's just a shade less sexy.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 30, 2023 13:25:10 GMT -5
Today's official moves:
Koss and Denlinger up to Worcester, Mayer and Troye up to Portland, Brock Bell up to Greenville, Reidis Sena (7-day IL) and Jhonny Felix (dev list) activated by Salem, and Michael Valera down to the FCL.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 1, 2023 11:31:43 GMT -5
When do we see Yorke get moved up? I know health is probably his biggest goal this year, but he is crushing AA. For like a month and a half after a terrible season last year in part due to injury. Most of the position players promoted so far had significant experience at their level last year (Hickey, Mayer, Koss to the extent that's a promotion instead of an "OK we have room now" thing). Meidroth was an older draftee not being challenged so he's a bit unique. Rosario is whatever - I'm starting to think that was just a situation where he was the best guy to backfill for Hickey in Greenville and make room for Lira. Anyway, point is, I would let Yorke cook in Portland for another month at least. See teams another time, etc.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 1, 2023 15:41:56 GMT -5
Jhostynxon Garcia to Salem with Bleis hitting the IL
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2023 13:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by humanbeingbean on Jun 9, 2023 14:00:25 GMT -5
Would be quite a nice development if Scott turns into a serviceable catcher with some pop from the left side to complement Wong. I see he has poor pop times and trouble blocking, though -- does he look much worse than McGuire back there?
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 6, 2023 21:27:34 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 9, 2023 15:22:41 GMT -5
FWIW
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 9, 2023 17:01:32 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 11, 2023 18:07:35 GMT -5
Looks like Castro and Cepeda might be going up with Perales.
Feels REAL aggressive on Castro if so.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 11, 2023 20:03:50 GMT -5
Speier says Kavadas is going to Worcester
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2023 5:27:28 GMT -5
Speier says Kavadas is going to Worcester Makes sense, but where?
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 12, 2023 7:48:41 GMT -5
Nice for Kavadas, he to me has a much better short at becoming a productive MLB regular than a lot of prospects ranked ahead of him on here.
Unbelievable walk rates and good power. I could see him as a very good platoon player, But let’s see how he handles AAA first.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 12, 2023 7:58:06 GMT -5
Nice for Kavadas, he to me has a much better short at becoming a productive MLB regular than a lot of prospects ranked ahead of him on here. Unbelievable walk rates and good power. I could see him as a very good platoon player, But let’s see how he handles AAA first. Kavadas hits nukes but he has had K rates close to 40% over 393 PA in AA. I know I shouldn't scout the box score, but with K rates that high, his terrible speed, and his defensive limitations I just can't bring myself to ever expect him to be productive in MLB. He'll be 25 in October.
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