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Post by julyanmorley on May 21, 2023 17:47:17 GMT -5
Don't think there's any way they DFA Kluber when they can option Garza
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Post by kwodes on May 21, 2023 17:54:30 GMT -5
Don't think there's any way they DFA Kluber when they can option Garza the problem is, kluber adds no value out of the pen
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Post by radiohix on May 21, 2023 18:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 21, 2023 18:20:14 GMT -5
Well..thats not good to hear..Have to win the other 2 I have zero faith in Kluber against Arizona.
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Post by Canseco on May 21, 2023 18:24:51 GMT -5
Ugh. Come on, Alex. I’d be fine if I never saw Kluber pitch again. He looks cooked… deep fried, even.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on May 21, 2023 18:36:32 GMT -5
Literally the only thing I can chalk this up to is that the team wants to give him 10 starts to say “hey, see — we tried!” to save face w/ prospective FAs before kicking him to the curb.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 21, 2023 18:55:41 GMT -5
Literally the only thing I can chalk this up to is that the team wants to give him 10 starts to say “hey, see — we tried!” to save face w/ prospective FAs before kicking him to the curb. …..or get a lottery ticket. If Greg Allen can bring back a prospect maybe Bloom thinks Kluber should bring back something…
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 21, 2023 19:00:23 GMT -5
Just DL Kluber and have him work on stuff. He looks cooked. If Sale keeps pitching this way the team might be able to get a decent prospect in return
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Post by incandenza on May 21, 2023 19:02:58 GMT -5
Duran really pressing lately. Clearly the book is out on him. Will be interesting to see how he adjusts. I am wary of this possibly happening, but still, I'm not seeing this. He was riding high on some good BABIP luck and that's reversedrecently, but he still seems to be making good contact. He had that liner stolen by Soto today, for example.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on May 21, 2023 19:03:22 GMT -5
Just DL Kluber and have him work on stuff. He looks cooked. If Sale keeps pitching this way the team might be able to get a decent prospect in return Wait — are you seriously advocating for a Chris Sale trade?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 21, 2023 19:16:42 GMT -5
Just DL Kluber and have him work on stuff. He looks cooked. If Sale keeps pitching this way the team might be able to get a decent prospect in return Wait — are you seriously advocating for a Chris Sale trade? Sure am. Get value for him in July if hes still healthy. This team isn't a contender.
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Post by julyanmorley on May 21, 2023 19:16:52 GMT -5
They had Sale and Paxton put up unnecessary large pitch counts this week, they were probably committed to a 6 man rotation at that point.
I still think you put Kluber in the pen instead giving him a DFA when the time comes. Even if you have a dim view of his present day abilities, the value of upgrading from him to a waiver wire reliever for the last spot in the pen getting low leverage innings is as tiny as it gets. He has a long track record of success before these two months of suck, there's value in seeing if you can get him right.
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Post by grandsalami on May 21, 2023 19:18:05 GMT -5
Wait — are you seriously advocating for a Chris Sale trade? Sure am. Get value for him in July if hes still healthy. This team isn't a contender. Standings (and our record) disagree with that opinion.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 21, 2023 19:31:10 GMT -5
Sure am. Get value for him in July if hes still healthy. This team isn't a contender. Standings (and our record) disagree with that opinion. They're 5 games over .500. I understand that like 7 teams are better but they aren't crushing it and don't have much of a rotation. Thats with Sale and Bello pitching well. Paxton has 1 start under his belt. They aren't contenders with the current roster.
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Post by grandsalami on May 21, 2023 19:36:25 GMT -5
Standings (and our record) disagree with that opinion. They're 5 games over .500. I understand that like 7 teams are better but they aren't crushing it and don't have much of a rotation. Thats with Sale and Bello pitching well. Paxton has 1 start under his belt. They aren't contenders with the current roster. Lol
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Post by grandsalami on May 21, 2023 19:36:25 GMT -5
Standings (and our record) disagree with that opinion. They're 5 games over .500. I understand that like 7 teams are better but they aren't crushing it and don't have much of a rotation. Thats with Sale and Bello pitching well. Paxton has 1 start under his belt. They aren't contenders with the current roster. Lol
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Post by GyIantosca on May 21, 2023 20:29:23 GMT -5
Kiké has become a liability with the bat What the hell happen with his offense. He was a godsend the first season. Remember the playoffs he hit multiple home runs. I mean I expect a little slowdown but WTF.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 21, 2023 20:31:50 GMT -5
Standings (and our record) disagree with that opinion. They're 5 games over .500. I understand that like 7 teams are better but they aren't crushing it and don't have much of a rotation. Thats with Sale and Bello pitching well. Paxton has 1 start under his belt. They aren't contenders with the current roster. lol
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 21, 2023 20:42:02 GMT -5
I fully expect X to suck this entire series. He's never been good at clutch situations and psychologically, this series will be important to hi.m 0 for 11 but did manage a BB off of Kluber so, there's that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 21, 2023 21:52:31 GMT -5
Standings (and our record) disagree with that opinion. They're 5 games over .500. I understand that like 7 teams are better but they aren't crushing it and don't have much of a rotation. Thats with Sale and Bello pitching well. Paxton has 1 start under his belt. They aren't contenders with the current roster. C'mon man. They might not make the postseason but they have a legit shot. They have a strong offense that should get more balanced once Duvall and Story return. I think eventually Kenley will get it together and the bullpen should be solid. The rotation is kind of scary because Sale and Paxton are often injured and Bello has yet to really jump to the next level, but the possibility of Sale being an ace is back on the table full force and Paxton looks like a viable #2. Bello is five and dive right now but if he can put it altogether he becomes another crucial arm. They need to fill in behind them and that gets dicey too. The often injured Whitlock and Crawford are potential solutions. Pivetta and Kluber are clearly not. Houck pitches like a guy much better off in the pen. The Sox look like a team that'll have to trade for a #3/#4 type starter, but other than that the holes don't look too overwhelming. This is a better team than last year's team. This one has a real chance.
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Post by bosoxnation on May 21, 2023 22:27:05 GMT -5
I don't what it is, but I immediately feel so much more comfortable with Pivetta when he pitches out of the pen. He came in the game in after the 2 worst pitchers on the team. I was at the game and felt the same way 😂
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Post by bosoxnation on May 21, 2023 22:51:07 GMT -5
They're 5 games over .500. I understand that like 7 teams are better but they aren't crushing it and don't have much of a rotation. Thats with Sale and Bello pitching well. Paxton has 1 start under his belt. They aren't contenders with the current roster. C'mon man. They might not make the postseason but they have a legit shot. They have a strong offense that should get more balanced once Duvall and Story return. I think eventually Kenley will get it together and the bullpen should be solid. The rotation is kind of scary because Sale and Paxton are often injured and Bello has yet to really jump to the next level, but the possibility of Sale being an ace is back on the table full force and Paxton looks like a viable #2. Bello is five and dive right now but if he can put it altogether he becomes another crucial arm. They need to fill in behind them and that gets dicey too. The often injured Whitlock and Crawford are potential solutions. Pivetta and Kluber are clearly not. Houck pitches like a guy much better off in the pen. The Sox look like a team that'll have to trade for a #3/#4 type starter, but other than that the holes don't look too overwhelming. This is a better team than last year's team. This one has a real chance. I dont think it was worth a response to be honest but this was a good one. Sale also has a no trade clause and won’t fetch much with that injury history. I hope we take the same approach this deadline as last. Buy/sell is the way to go. Everyone on 1/2 year deals should be shopped. Make the right deals. Kiké should be one of those. Duvall maybe. Whoever can get us value that we most likely won’t bring back. Like Vazquez and Diekman. That’s the best way to stack prospects. Anyways I drove 5 hours to this game with my family paid outrageous prices to park and eat for us to get shut out and me to give up all hope on Klueber. He was the worst pitcher i’ve ever seen live and i’ve been to 30+ games. No velo. No control. Looks like a rookie out there. Anyways now i’m letting my wife drive the last 2 hours home. Wish me luck! haha
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Post by orion09 on May 21, 2023 23:13:11 GMT -5
I dont think they'll DFA Kluber yet but I think they'll put him on the IL and see if there's anything mechanical they can do to salvage him. I agree, it seems like a waste to DFA a guy this early in the season who’s making as much money as he is and who was good as recently as last year. Injuries happen and you can never have too much pitching… I just wouldn’t cut a potentially decent pitcher before you’ve exhausted every option. DL him, give him a rehab stint, and give him a chance to figure stuff out. If he’s still bad in 5 weeks, then I guess you can cut bait.
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Post by ericmvan on May 22, 2023 5:20:30 GMT -5
A day previously the Sox were in a 3-way tie for 5th in b-Ref's SRS metric, and second in the AL East. Today they're 9th and 4th.
Ordinarily, being the 9th best team in MLB would give you rosy post-season feelings. But the 11 best teams in MLB now breaks down:
5 AL East 3 AL other
3 NL
The AL is 104-97 in interleague play, but the AL East clubs have played just 60 games while the Central and West have played 70 and 71.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 22, 2023 6:47:31 GMT -5
I don't care what Kluber is being paid, he's losing them games. He has no velocity and can't hit his spots. What's the upside? He fixes something mechanically and becomes Nick Pivetta who is good some days, bad others? They have enough depth to move on from someone who has no future with this club. The downside is him continuing to be arguably the worst starter in baseball.
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