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Post by alexcorahomevideo on May 22, 2023 6:52:20 GMT -5
They're 5 games over .500. I understand that like 7 teams are better but they aren't crushing it and don't have much of a rotation. Thats with Sale and Bello pitching well. Paxton has 1 start under his belt. They aren't contenders with the current roster. C'mon man. They might not make the postseason but they have a legit shot. They have a strong offense that should get more balanced once Duvall and Story return. I think eventually Kenley will get it together and the bullpen should be solid. The rotation is kind of scary because Sale and Paxton are often injured and Bello has yet to really jump to the next level, but the possibility of Sale being an ace is back on the table full force and Paxton looks like a viable #2. Bello is five and dive right now but if he can put it altogether he becomes another crucial arm. They need to fill in behind them and that gets dicey too. The often injured Whitlock and Crawford are potential solutions. Pivetta and Kluber are clearly not. Houck pitches like a guy much better off in the pen. The Sox look like a team that'll have to trade for a #3/#4 type starter, but other than that the holes don't look too overwhelming. This is a better team than last year's team. This one has a real chance. Legit shot to get the 2nd wildcard? Sure. I don't view that as a contender though. I hate the buy/sell idea. Didn't work last year.
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Post by grandsalami on May 22, 2023 10:12:18 GMT -5
C'mon man. They might not make the postseason but they have a legit shot. They have a strong offense that should get more balanced once Duvall and Story return. I think eventually Kenley will get it together and the bullpen should be solid. The rotation is kind of scary because Sale and Paxton are often injured and Bello has yet to really jump to the next level, but the possibility of Sale being an ace is back on the table full force and Paxton looks like a viable #2. Bello is five and dive right now but if he can put it altogether he becomes another crucial arm. They need to fill in behind them and that gets dicey too. The often injured Whitlock and Crawford are potential solutions. Pivetta and Kluber are clearly not. Houck pitches like a guy much better off in the pen. The Sox look like a team that'll have to trade for a #3/#4 type starter, but other than that the holes don't look too overwhelming. This is a better team than last year's team. This one has a real chance. Legit shot to get the 2nd wildcard? Sure. I don't view that as a contender though. I hate the buy/sell idea. Didn't work last year. Lol
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Post by crossedsabres8 on May 22, 2023 10:46:10 GMT -5
C'mon man. They might not make the postseason but they have a legit shot. They have a strong offense that should get more balanced once Duvall and Story return. I think eventually Kenley will get it together and the bullpen should be solid. The rotation is kind of scary because Sale and Paxton are often injured and Bello has yet to really jump to the next level, but the possibility of Sale being an ace is back on the table full force and Paxton looks like a viable #2. Bello is five and dive right now but if he can put it altogether he becomes another crucial arm. They need to fill in behind them and that gets dicey too. The often injured Whitlock and Crawford are potential solutions. Pivetta and Kluber are clearly not. Houck pitches like a guy much better off in the pen. The Sox look like a team that'll have to trade for a #3/#4 type starter, but other than that the holes don't look too overwhelming. This is a better team than last year's team. This one has a real chance. Legit shot to get the 2nd wildcard? Sure. I don't view that as a contender though. I hate the buy/sell idea. Didn't work last year. It didn't? The guys they bought actually played decently for a bit post TD and the prospects they got are helping the team right now. I feel like that was a success...
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Post by patford on May 22, 2023 11:25:57 GMT -5
In my view there is only one success and that is winning the World Series. Everything else from win-loss to playoffs is only a marker on the road towards that goal. The chances of the Red Sox winning the World Series are small but if they sneak into the playoffs Bello is pitching great and Paxton and Sale are healthy a pitching lights out they actually would have a chance to go all the way because really in the post season a team can go a long way with three high end starters and a strong bullpen. I agree though the chances of Paxton and Sale staying healthy and being at full strength by October is a small one. The same might apply to Bello who had the elbow scare in Spring Training.
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Post by manfred on May 22, 2023 11:27:16 GMT -5
Counter question re: Sale:
If he holds up, pitching as he is, will people change their views on his contract? He looks like a front line starter and is trending up. If he stays healthy for two seasons of that, it seems like it makes the contract at least not bad.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 22, 2023 11:38:01 GMT -5
C'mon man. They might not make the postseason but they have a legit shot. They have a strong offense that should get more balanced once Duvall and Story return. I think eventually Kenley will get it together and the bullpen should be solid. The rotation is kind of scary because Sale and Paxton are often injured and Bello has yet to really jump to the next level, but the possibility of Sale being an ace is back on the table full force and Paxton looks like a viable #2. Bello is five and dive right now but if he can put it altogether he becomes another crucial arm. They need to fill in behind them and that gets dicey too. The often injured Whitlock and Crawford are potential solutions. Pivetta and Kluber are clearly not. Houck pitches like a guy much better off in the pen. The Sox look like a team that'll have to trade for a #3/#4 type starter, but other than that the holes don't look too overwhelming. This is a better team than last year's team. This one has a real chance. Legit shot to get the 2nd wildcard? Sure. I don't view that as a contender though. I hate the buy/sell idea. Didn't work last year. If they are the second wild card they're not squeaking in with 83 wins. They'd be a 90 plus win team which means they have a legit shot to contend for the pennant and the Series. I mean isnt that what Philly did last year? With a healthy Sale, Paxton, Bello, a solid pen and a strong offense, they have a reasonable chance. If Sale/Paxton/Bello aren't a solid 1-2-3 punch hy season's end it's tough to imagining them going far. Health of those 3 are huge and not something I'd bet my life on, but if they stay healthy, then yes, there's a real shot. If that's not seriously contending then I dont know what is.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 22, 2023 11:46:38 GMT -5
C'mon man. They might not make the postseason but they have a legit shot. They have a strong offense that should get more balanced once Duvall and Story return. I think eventually Kenley will get it together and the bullpen should be solid. The rotation is kind of scary because Sale and Paxton are often injured and Bello has yet to really jump to the next level, but the possibility of Sale being an ace is back on the table full force and Paxton looks like a viable #2. Bello is five and dive right now but if he can put it altogether he becomes another crucial arm. They need to fill in behind them and that gets dicey too. The often injured Whitlock and Crawford are potential solutions. Pivetta and Kluber are clearly not. Houck pitches like a guy much better off in the pen. The Sox look like a team that'll have to trade for a #3/#4 type starter, but other than that the holes don't look too overwhelming. This is a better team than last year's team. This one has a real chance. Legit shot to get the 2nd wildcard? Sure. I don't view that as a contender though. I hate the buy/sell idea. Didn't work last year. And no I wouldnt do the buy/sell thing either especially if they really are o the thick of things and not on an obvious fade like last year. The only selling I could see is if there's a roster crunch and a lot of redundancy as someone like Christian Arroyo comes to mind. Otherwise its buy a decent starting pitcher and maybe add another reliever.
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Post by radiohix on May 22, 2023 11:49:33 GMT -5
Why’s Chris Sale considered an injury prone pitcher? I mean, ALL pitchers are a ticking bomb but why is Sale mentioned in the same breath as Paxton? His 2019 struggles to stay healthy were addressed by getting the TJS and after that it was: - A stress fracture in the rib cage - A broken finger on comeback liner - a broken wrist in bicycle accident Freak injuries, it’s not like he went to the IL because of a barking elbow or a forearm tightness or any of that s***t… He didn’t have an injury history before the year leading to the TJS and he didn’t got any pitching related injury since…so I really don’t get the narrative that he turned into Carlos Rodon all of the sudden.
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Post by pappyman99 on May 22, 2023 11:52:46 GMT -5
The buy / sell idea means the gm doesn’t truly know his team. The gym has to be honest with himself because the middle road is the least productive pathway
I don’t necessarily think we should buy unless someone really loves Rafaela and Mata
The only way we buy and sell, is if we trim fat like Hernandez, arroyo, refsnyder, tapia … those types for lottery tickets / prospects
And trade Rafaela and Mata for some controlled RH bat
Basically I wouldn’t expect any huge deadline deals from us
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Post by awalkinthepark on May 22, 2023 12:06:04 GMT -5
Fangraphs has them projected to finish the year 85-77 which is up from where they were heading into the season, with a 31% chance of making the playoffs. If you were to tell me back in March that that's where we would be sitting in mid May I would have probably taken the under. The pitching is starting to come around, Casas has been hitting recently, hopefully Story and eventually Mondesi come back over the next few months and sure up our middle infield. All in all I am pretty optimistic about the team going forward. Surviving the Story injury was going to be the hardest part and so far they've done that pretty well.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on May 22, 2023 12:08:36 GMT -5
Wait — are you seriously advocating for a Chris Sale trade? Sure am. Get value for him in July if hes still healthy. This team isn't a contender. I strongly disagree on multiple fronts. However, if he were to be traded, who do you think would be interested and what do you think they'd get back? I don't see many teams out there in a win-now mode with MLB ready SPs who are potential studs...
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Post by greenmonster on May 22, 2023 12:11:33 GMT -5
Why’s Chris Sale considered an injury prone pitcher? I mean, ALL pitchers are a ticking bomb but why is Sale mentioned in the same breath as Paxton? His 2019 struggles to stay healthy were addressed by getting the TJS and after that it was: - A stress fracture in the rib cage - A broken finger on comeback liner - a broken wrist in bicycle accident Freak injuries, it’s not like he went to the IL because of a barking elbow or a forearm tightness or any of that s***t… He didn’t have an injury history before the year leading to the TJS and he didn’t got any pitching related injury since…so I really don’t get the narrative that he turned into Carlos Rodon all of the sudden. So, Chris Sale is NOT injury prone because he has had a series of freak injuries.....isn't that the definition of injury prone?
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Post by radiohix on May 22, 2023 12:23:36 GMT -5
Why’s Chris Sale considered an injury prone pitcher? I mean, ALL pitchers are a ticking bomb but why is Sale mentioned in the same breath as Paxton? His 2019 struggles to stay healthy were addressed by getting the TJS and after that it was: - A stress fracture in the rib cage - A broken finger on comeback liner - a broken wrist in bicycle accident Freak injuries, it’s not like he went to the IL because of a barking elbow or a forearm tightness or any of that s***t… He didn’t have an injury history before the year leading to the TJS and he didn’t got any pitching related injury since…so I really don’t get the narrative that he turned into Carlos Rodon all of the sudden. So, Chris Sale is NOT injury prone because he has had a series of freak injuries.....isn't that the definition of injury prone? Poor wording on my part ( English is my 4th language) I should've said "risk" instead of "prone"
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Post by bosoxnation on May 22, 2023 12:52:21 GMT -5
Legit shot to get the 2nd wildcard? Sure. I don't view that as a contender though. I hate the buy/sell idea. Didn't work last year. And no I wouldnt do the buy/sell thing either especially if they really are o the thick of things and not on an obvious fade like last year. The only selling I could see is if there's a roster crunch and a lot of redundancy as someone like Christian Arroyo comes to mind. Otherwise its buy a decent starting pitcher and maybe add another reliever. im usually on the same page as you but we got Valdez/Abreu/McGuire for a 32 year old catcher and Diekman. I'm sorry but buy/sell is the way to go if it makes sense. You have to make everyone one 1/2 year deals available. Kiké/Duvall/Tapia/Paxton...â¦I love these guys but how many of them are coming back? Maybe 1 of them. If you can stack prospects by trading guys that are going to be free agents and are not coming back you keep getting better. Unless of course were a real threat at the deadline and not in 4th place because our division is the best in baseball. Not saying all of them should go but only deals that we get better for the long term.
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Post by cdj on May 22, 2023 13:26:13 GMT -5
So, Chris Sale is NOT injury prone because he has had a series of freak injuries.....isn't that the definition of injury prone? Poor wording on my part ( English is my 4th language) I should've said "risk" instead of "prone" Agreed- it would be a lot more concerning if he suffered these injuries while playing baseball
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Post by greenmonster on May 22, 2023 14:56:22 GMT -5
Poor wording on my part ( English is my 4th language) I should've said "risk" instead of "prone" Agreed- it would be a lot more concerning if he suffered these injuries while playing baseball - TJ Surgery - A stress fracture in the rib cage - A broken finger on comeback liner - a broken wrist in bicycle accident With exception to falling off his bike, it kinda looks like they all were while playing baseball
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Post by cdj on May 22, 2023 15:01:23 GMT -5
Agreed- it would be a lot more concerning if he suffered these injuries while playing baseball - TJ Surgery - A stress fracture in the rib cage - A broken finger on comeback liner - a broken wrist in bicycle accident With exception to falling off his bike, it kinda looks like they all were while playing baseball I should’ve said they’re more in the “freak occurrence” mold than the “I threw a ball and my arm imploded” mold Like I’d be more concerned if he started having shoulder issues or further elbow problems. I’m less concerned about line drives.
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Post by jimoh on May 22, 2023 16:06:20 GMT -5
Legit shot to get the 2nd wildcard? Sure. I don't view that as a contender though. I hate the buy/sell idea. Didn't work last year. It didn't? The guys they bought actually played decently for a bit post TD and the prospects they got are helping the team right now. I feel like that was a success... The factors you mention are right, but they stayed over the cap and worsened their draft picks for almost no reason.
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Post by shagworthy on May 22, 2023 16:21:42 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not on board with Selling Sale or discussing it in May, when the team is still above .500. I'd rather they cut some of the chaff, like Kiké and Kluber, or at the very least significantly reduce Kiké's role as he has been putrid on both sides of the ball. I'm also distrustful of guys like Arroyo, who can't stay healthy, and Bleier who is getting hit pretty hard. That would be my areas of focus.
Red Sox games are my summer diversion, and I'd rather them not suck all year just because they aren't going to go far in the playoffs. I view the playoffs and the world series as the icing, if the cake sucks, it doesn't matter how good the icing is. This team has been competitive, and entertaining most days, and I much prefer that to the alternative.
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Post by jimoh on May 22, 2023 16:22:36 GMT -5
Legit shot to get the 2nd wildcard? Sure. I don't view that as a contender though. I hate the buy/sell idea. Didn't work last year. It didn't? The guys they bought actually played decently for a bit post TD and the prospects they got are helping the team right now. I feel like that was a success... The factors you mention are right, but they stayed over the cap and worsened their draft picks for almost no reason.
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