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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2023 18:09:02 GMT -5
I missed it, where did Alfaro come from ? He was dumped by the Rockies and we picked him up after he cleared waivers McGuire apparently not close to returning
Cool, Hamilton wasn't the solution.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 8, 2023 18:10:03 GMT -5
They're going to have to figure out who goes for Reyes after the all star break. Reyes, Arroyo, Kiké or a Duvall trade. Kiké is still fine as a 5th OF imo, but if you don't trade Duvall then he's not a 5th OF. Agree with this. Plus you can probably get more for Duvall than you could for Kiké and Kiké has an outsized presence in the locker room. Still leaning towards Duvall goes but wouldnât be totally shocked a Kiké dump.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 8, 2023 18:20:11 GMT -5
I'd say they can survive with 12 pitchers for a week or longer. Activate Reyes, option a reliever
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 8, 2023 18:51:48 GMT -5
If one of Murphy and Walter has a nice multi-year run out of the pen then I will be happy I'm not ready to give up on one or both of them ending up as starters. Guys learn and adjust. Each are proving that they can get major league hitters out. How is a good outing against the A's proving that?
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 8, 2023 18:57:45 GMT -5
I'm not ready to give up on one or both of them ending up as starters. Guys learn and adjust. Each are proving that they can get major league hitters out. How is a good outing against the A's proving that? Touche !! But, today is not the only time Walter has pitched and Murphy has pitched 5 times. Neither has been ineffective over the balance of their work.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 19:01:48 GMT -5
They're going to have to figure out who goes for Reyes after the all star break. Reyes, Arroyo, Kiké or a Duvall trade. Kiké is still fine as a 5th OF imo, but if you don't trade Duvall then he's not a 5th OF. Agree with this. Plus you can probably get more for Duvall than you could for Kiké and Kiké has an outsized presence in the locker room. Still leaning towards Duvall goes but wouldnât be totally shocked a Kiké dump. 2022 Jackie Bradley Jr 92 games, .210/.257/.321, -.4 fWAR - before getting DFA’d Kiké Hernandez 77 games, .225/.283/.331, -1.1 fWAR so far His defensive issues have now popped out a few times at second base the last few days - so it’s not even just a shortshop thing. Like with JBJ, the front office bet on a bounceback (and not necessarily unreasonably so). I’ve wondered about how they might factor in the locker room dynamics if they go the DFA route - but JBJ had a much longer Sox history than Kiké does and he still got cut.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 8, 2023 19:23:27 GMT -5
Agree with this. Plus you can probably get more for Duvall than you could for Kiké and Kiké has an outsized presence in the locker room. Still leaning towards Duvall goes but wouldnâÂÂt be totally shocked a Kiké dump. 2022 Jackie Bradley Jr 92 games, .210/.257/.321, -.4 fWAR - before getting DFAâd Kiké Hernandez 77 games, .225/.283/.331, -1.1 fWAR so far His defensive issues have now popped out a few times at second base the last few days - so itâs not even just a shortshop thing. Like with JBJ, the front office bet on a bounceback (and not necessarily unreasonably so). Iâve wondered about how they might factor in the locker room dynamics if they go the DFA route - but JBJ had a much longer Sox history than Kiké does and he still got cut. Yeah thatâs true on JBJ but Kiké did actively recruit a lot of the current roster. Also he has so much negative value because of the infield but probably is still a great defensive center fielder. But a DFA definitely wouldnât be unwarranted either
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jul 8, 2023 19:27:27 GMT -5
This is not based in any data, but I think he hits better when he plays centerfield too.
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 8, 2023 19:59:28 GMT -5
The Kiké sombrero - no hits with an error. And a GIDP for good measure.
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Post by cmax on Jul 8, 2023 20:08:57 GMT -5
Was at the game. Sweet, easy victory. And the farm is dominating too.
I've been really clear on this board that I am a believer in the work Chaim Bloom is doing. Clearly there have been some mistakes that are easier to see in retrospect but I'm looking forward to watching all of the haters digest the fact that our system is on its way to becoming a juggernaut and the strategy to consistently compete for championships is getting closer to realization. Wish we had 2-3 more legit arms in AAA besides Drohan and wish we had a top catching prospect closer to the show but overall the team is coming together very nicely. Fun victory today, and exciting to be back in the mix while the system keeps getting closer to being in the top tier. Win tomorrow would be very sweet. Onwards!
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Post by Guidas on Jul 8, 2023 20:30:38 GMT -5
2 out from the last WC.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 8, 2023 21:09:49 GMT -5
And, now that Tampa has lost their 7th in a row, only 9 GB in the division 👀
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 8, 2023 21:10:30 GMT -5
Kiké is not getting DFAd for Reyes
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 8, 2023 21:24:46 GMT -5
Watching "For Love of the Game". Billy Chapel is No-Hitting the Yankees. Its been a good day!!
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 8, 2023 22:08:33 GMT -5
Kiké is not getting DFAd for Reyes Kiké might survive Reyes comibg back, but if Duvall or Kiké doesn't get traded at the deadline, Kiké should not survive both Reyes and Story. Kiké is by far the worst infielder on the team, so if Kiké is not going to be playing CF there is no reason to hold onto him. Especially since Kiké is a pending FA while every other middle IF (aside from the ghost of Adalberto Mondesi) is not.
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Post by keninten on Jul 8, 2023 22:43:44 GMT -5
Kiké is not getting DFAd for Reyes Kiké might survive Reyes comibg back, but if Duvall or Kiké doesn't get traded at the deadline, Kiké should not survive both Reyes and Story. Kiké is by far the worst infielder on the team, so if Kiké is not going to be playing CF there is no reason to hold onto him. Especially since Kiké is a pending FA while every other middle IF (aside from the ghost of Adalberto Mondesi) is not. Duran should be in CF everyday. Dugie in RF everyday. Duval can play CF or a little RF but he doesn`t look good in LF. Ref has played all 3. Masa can only play LF. Unless an injury or trade happens I don`t see a need for him.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 8, 2023 22:46:06 GMT -5
Kiké's versatility would be what keeps him up, as he gives you this feeling of being 1.5x a normal bench player since he can play infield and outfield. He would have to stop sucking at the plate and in the field after the break to make that value actually matter though.
Backup Catcher - McGuire or Alfaro Backup Outfielder - Refsnyder (assuming Duran is the starting CF) Backup Infielder - 3 of the following 4 will be on the team - Story, Arroyo, Chang, and Reyes - as the starters and the backup Backup Other - this might be how Kiké stays, since he can be the 5th OF and 5th INF, but it would mean Duvall and one of the infielders above are not on the roster
The reality is that we likely won't have everyone healthy at all points in time.
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Post by yuchangclan on Jul 9, 2023 0:02:33 GMT -5
Re: Duran qualifying for the batting title.
He needs 3.1 PA’s for every Sox game to make it and the Sox have played 90 games(279PA’s).
As of today he has 249PA’s. He’s getting there.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2023 8:40:37 GMT -5
Re: Duran qualifying for the batting title. He needs 3.1 PA’s for every Sox game to make it and the Sox have played 90 games(279PA’s). As of today he has 249PA’s. He’s getting there. A healthy Duran will get his 502 plae appearances but my guess is he winds up in the .285 - .295 area. The guy who need around or more than 502 plate appearances should reach it if heathy and that's Yoshida who I think will land in the .310 - .320 range and will win he batting title. I think Verdugo will finish about .005 points shy of .300 and Duran will have the 3rd highest batting average on the team. However I will make a bold prediction.....Duran will lead the team in stolen bases,
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Post by manfred on Jul 9, 2023 8:50:42 GMT -5
Duran might not get his PA if Cora keeps benching him after big games.
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Jul 9, 2023 8:55:42 GMT -5
Really over Cora and his stupid lineup decisions. Stop sitting your hottest hitter. It's not fucking complicated. Just absolutely maddening decisions.
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Post by briam on Jul 9, 2023 9:15:22 GMT -5
Kiké starting over Duran in CF is infuriating. ACâs blind spot for Kiké might be the most frustrating thing Iâve ever seen from a manager.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 9, 2023 9:16:32 GMT -5
Kiké starting over Duran in CF is infuriating. ACâs blind spot for Kiké might be the most frustrating thing Iâve ever seen from a manager. Yeah, this is...suboptimal: Refsnyder LF Turner 1B Devers 3B Duvall RF Yoshida DH Alfaro C K. Hernández CF Arroyo 2B Chang SS
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2023 9:16:47 GMT -5
I'll admit this one is a bit of a puzzler. Seeing that Verdugo, Casas, and Duran are all sitting the day before the all-star break, I thought "wow, Sears must have some giant L/R splits," but nope - he's actually been worse against lefties in his career! Admittedly a short career and small sample size, but still.
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Post by manfred on Jul 9, 2023 9:21:29 GMT -5
I'll admit this one is a bit of a puzzler. Seeing that Verdugo, Casas, and Duran are all sitting the day before the all-star break, I thought "wow, Sears must have some giant L/R splits," but nope - he's actually been worse against lefties in his career! Admittedly a short career and small sample size, but still. Even if he is a lefty buzzsaw, play Verdugo at least. He is not a platoon player. Just weird.
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