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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2023 9:23:58 GMT -5
Cora doing his darndest to get some losses on the board
THEY HAVE A WEEK OFF YOU DOLT PLAY YOUR BEST PLAYERS.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2023 9:34:11 GMT -5
Okay, I am going to put the best possible spin on Cora's decisions here:
-Kiké vs. lefties: 81 wRC+. Verdugo vs. lefties: 83 wRC+. Basically the same, even with Kiké having an awful year, and arguably the superior CF defense makes the difference. (Plus, more subjectively, Verdugo has looked kind of tired to me lately and maybe he could use an extra long break.)
-Duran is a huge weapon off the bench as either a pinch hitter or pinch runner so why not wait for a high leverage situation against a righty. -I certainly have no issue with starting Refsnyder over Casas against a lefty, and again Casas can come off the bench if they need a guy to get on base in high leverage.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 9, 2023 9:34:21 GMT -5
I got no problem with that lineup. Duran will sub in once the lefty leaves. Verdugo is prob getting a rest day, but it wouldn't be crazy to be platooning him either.
Cora should be communicating a playing time plan to his players and sticking to it. You're just gonna drive the players nuts if you're constantly changing the plan based on the previous day's performance.
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Post by manfred on Jul 9, 2023 9:43:22 GMT -5
I got no problem with that lineup. Duran will sub in once the lefty leaves. Verdugo is prob getting a rest day, but it wouldn't be crazy to be platooning him either. Cora should be communicating a playing time plan to his players and sticking to it. You're just gonna drive the players nuts if you're constantly changing the plan based on the previous day's performance. Rest day before the break? How tired is the young man?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2023 9:44:45 GMT -5
I think Cora is trying to steal another day off so his regulars are all very fresh come Friday when they get to the stretch run, so I don't have a huge issue with this.
I think his thinking is rest his best players and see if the B team can knock off the Triple A's, but if his team is losing, he still has the flexibility to bring in his lefties.
If nothing else, Manny Ramirez would approve of Cora's lineup decisions, lol. Manny hated to play that weekend before the all-star break.
Seriously though, come the post all-star break, I really want to see less and less of Kiké Hernandez in the lineup. Late inning defensive sub in the outfield or maybe even 2b, fine, but in the starting lineup, hell no. Enough already. The guy hasn't hit since the second half of 2021 and has a long track record of mediocrity that preceded it.
I'm at the point I think they'd be a better team if they released him altogether, even with his "flexibility". They have enough depth in the outfield and I think they can do better in the trade market for a guy who can hold down a semi-regular job in the middle infield and be fine with Chang and Reyes as depth (Unless Chang starts hitting - with the type of injury he had I'm not sure that'll happen).
I think the bigger issue is that Cora trusts him so much he gives he way too many ABs and exposes him badly, but at this point I don't know that Hernandez is the CF he used to be, I haven't been impressed by his work at 2b, and he's a disaster at SS, and his bat is awful - I don't even know if he realizes that RF or even CF exists anymore. Way too many ABs for a guy this deficient. I can't give 100% blame to Cora because they've been desperate this year at SS, but still, as guys come back, as the trade deadline looms, they have to stop relying on Hernandez.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2023 9:47:22 GMT -5
My preceding post is what I think should happen, but what is more likely to happen is that Hernandez will remain and Duvall will probably be dealt at the end of July if they find a deal they like even if the team is in go for it mode and Hernandez will be seen as the 5th OF who can play the middle infield.
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 9, 2023 9:48:28 GMT -5
Really over Cora and his stupid lineup decisions. Stop sitting your hottest hitter. It's not fucking complicated. Just absolutely maddening decisions. Only thing I can think of is that there are particular matchups that Duran really struggles against.
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Post by Canseco on Jul 9, 2023 9:48:42 GMT -5
I got no problem with that lineup. Duran will sub in once the lefty leaves. Verdugo is prob getting a rest day, but it wouldn't be crazy to be platooning him either. Cora should be communicating a playing time plan to his players and sticking to it. You're just gonna drive the players nuts if you're constantly changing the plan based on the previous day's performance. Rest day before the break? How tired is the young man?
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Post by lronhoyabembe on Jul 9, 2023 9:53:39 GMT -5
Some post hoc musings:
I would imagine (or at least hope) that the Red Sox are privy to more granular match-up information, like batter swing plane vs. pitcher arm angle, or batter splits against certain classifications of pitches, that might explain some of the weird lineup decisions.
On the topic of Duran, he has remained hot in spite of what appears to us to be inconsistent playing time. It's possible that his current playing schedule is helping him perform at this higher level. We'd all like to see him play the way he has been playing every day, but that might not be possible, especially with his full throttle approach to running the bases. Anyways, he will almost certainly be available off the bench.
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2023 9:56:13 GMT -5
They’re gonna lose 3-1 today and will miss the wild card by a game
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 9, 2023 9:57:07 GMT -5
Kiké in center vs a lefty might be a better player than Duran in center vs a lefty. Same with Duvall in right over Verdugo and Refsnyder in left vs Casas at 1st. You could argue the only spot they didnât optimize is at C.
I wanna see Duran every day too, but this isnât as egregious a lineup as the reaction here seems to suggest.
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2023 9:57:14 GMT -5
It’s a hard sell to try and tell me that Duran can’t handle doing 5 90 foot sprints a day
He. Needs. To. Play. Every. Day.
Even OB is dumbfounded by the stupidity. OB!!!! HES THE DUMBEST GUY AROUND AND HE THINKS CORA IS AN IDIOT
What, we just gonna have him be a platoon player for his whole career? He needs reps against lefties, he has the potential to be your best player for the next half decade. Figure it tf out. If anything this is the exact game he SHOULD be getting reps in against southpaws
It’s wild that every time he has a huge game we joke about him not being in the lineup the next day….and then the joke ends up being true!!!! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!!!
Btw didn’t he just take a lefty oppo like taco yesterday? jfc I can’t take the stupidity anymore. He’s just gonna keep leaning on his veteran binkies instead of guys who actually make an impact. They’ll miss the playoffs by a game or two.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 9, 2023 10:05:23 GMT -5
I got no problem with that lineup. Duran will sub in once the lefty leaves. Verdugo is prob getting a rest day, but it wouldn't be crazy to be platooning him either. Cora should be communicating a playing time plan to his players and sticking to it. You're just gonna drive the players nuts if you're constantly changing the plan based on the previous day's performance. This comes close to being a straw man. How do we know he hasn't informed players of just that? Having said that, I'm on board with bringing the lefty hitters into the game after pitching changes. One thing for certain, he needs to get Refsnyder in the lineup against left-handed pitching. His numbers against them are all-star caliber.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2023 10:05:49 GMT -5
It’s a hard sell to try and tell me that Duran can’t handle doing 5 90 foot sprints a day He. Needs. To. Play. Every. Day. Even OB is dumbfounded by the stupidity. OB!!!! HES THE DUMBEST GUY AROUND AND HE THINKS CORA IS AN IDIOTWell... there is another way to take this fact.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 9, 2023 10:07:39 GMT -5
Re: Duran qualifying for the batting title. He needs 3.1 PA’s for every Sox game to make it and the Sox have played 90 games(279PA’s). As of today he has 249PA’s. He’s getting there. A healthy Duran will get his 502 plae appearances but my guess is he winds up in the .285 - .295 area. The guy who need around or more than 502 plate appearances should reach it if heathy and that's Yoshida who I think will land in the .310 - .320 range and will win he batting title. I think Verdugo will finish about .005 points shy of .300 and Duran will have the 3rd highest batting average on the team. However I will make a bold prediction.....Duran will lead the team in stolen bases, I'm not trying to be the Donnie Downer here, but I agree that there is some regression coming and a dose of reality is needed. Noodling around his stats last night, I was startled by the .428 BABIP. With his speed, BABIP should be a strength for him but obviously not by that much. He's got a .377 wOBA and a much more modest xwOBA of .327. Still, we should all be thrilled with his progress this year.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 9, 2023 10:09:24 GMT -5
They’re gonna lose 3-1 today and will miss the wild card by a game Nah. Oakland's defense alone will give us three runs!
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2023 10:12:23 GMT -5
It’s a hard sell to try and tell me that Duran can’t handle doing 5 90 foot sprints a day He. Needs. To. Play. Every. Day. Even OB is dumbfounded by the stupidity. OB!!!! HES THE DUMBEST GUY AROUND AND HE THINKS CORA IS AN IDIOTWell... there is another way to take this fact. lol I thought about that too but he’s not on an island with this opinion, I bet 90% of Sox fans think he should be playing every day
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 9, 2023 10:24:07 GMT -5
I got no problem with that lineup. Duran will sub in once the lefty leaves. Verdugo is prob getting a rest day, but it wouldn't be crazy to be platooning him either. Cora should be communicating a playing time plan to his players and sticking to it. You're just gonna drive the players nuts if you're constantly changing the plan based on the previous day's performance. This comes close to being a straw man. How do we know he hasn't informed players of just that? He's acting like he has. I was defending Cora.
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Jul 9, 2023 10:51:08 GMT -5
It’s a hard sell to try and tell me that Duran can’t handle doing 5 90 foot sprints a day He. Needs. To. Play. Every. Day. Even OB is dumbfounded by the stupidity. OB!!!! HES THE DUMBEST GUY AROUND AND HE THINKS CORA IS AN IDIOT What, we just gonna have him be a platoon player for his whole career? He needs reps against lefties, he has the potential to be your best player for the next half decade. Figure it tf out. If anything this is the exact game he SHOULD be getting reps in against southpaws It’s wild that every time he has a huge game we joke about him not being in the lineup the next day….and then the joke ends up being true!!!! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!!! Btw didn’t he just take a lefty oppo like taco yesterday? jfc I can’t take the stupidity anymore. He’s just gonna keep leaning on his veteran binkies instead of guys who actually make an impact. They’ll miss the playoffs by a game or two. Preach!! He’s batting .257/.308/.400 against lefties on the year. Kiké is batting .264/.321/.347 against lefties on the year. Am I missing a significant enough separation?
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 9, 2023 10:54:29 GMT -5
Itâs a hard sell to try and tell me that Duran canât handle doing 5 90 foot sprints a day He. Needs. To. Play. Every. Day. Even OB is dumbfounded by the stupidity. OB!!!! HES THE DUMBEST GUY AROUND AND HE THINKS CORA IS AN IDIOT What, we just gonna have him be a platoon player for his whole career? He needs reps against lefties, he has the potential to be your best player for the next half decade. Figure it tf out. If anything this is the exact game he SHOULD be getting reps in against southpaws Itâs wild that every time he has a huge game we joke about him not being in the lineup the next dayâ¦.and then the joke ends up being true!!!! I feel like Iâm taking crazy pills!!! Btw didnât he just take a lefty oppo like taco yesterday? jfc I canât take the stupidity anymore. Heâs just gonna keep leaning on his veteran binkies instead of guys who actually make an impact. Theyâll miss the playoffs by a game or two. Preach!! Heâs batting .257/.308/.400 against lefties on the year. Kiké is batting .264/.321/.347 against lefties on the year. Am I missing a significant enough separation? Those lines are really close and Kiké is a much better defender in center. Totally defensible to play Kiké over Duran.
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Jul 9, 2023 11:04:58 GMT -5
Preach!! Heâs batting .257/.308/.400 against lefties on the year. Kiké is batting .264/.321/.347 against lefties on the year. Am I missing a significant enough separation? Those lines are really close and Kiké is a much better defender in center. Totally defensible to play Kiké over Duran. Theyre going into the ASB and Duran is white hot. There’s no reason for him to be sitting.
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Post by manfred on Jul 9, 2023 11:05:20 GMT -5
If anyone argues Verdugo should be an all star and that Kiké can logically play in his place, he should ask hard questions.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 9, 2023 11:13:22 GMT -5
Those lines are really close and Kiké is a much better defender in center. Totally defensible to play Kiké over Duran. Theyre going into the ASB and Duran is white hot. There’s no reason for him to be sitting. Except that against a lefty he might be worse than the three outfielders they are playing and he has more value off the bench than any of them
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Jul 9, 2023 11:28:33 GMT -5
Theyre going into the ASB and Duran is white hot. There’s no reason for him to be sitting. Except that against a lefty he might be worse than the three outfielders they are playing and he has more value off the bench than any of them He needs looks against lefties.
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Post by patford on Jul 9, 2023 11:28:45 GMT -5
Okay, I am going to put the best possible spin on Cora's decisions here:
-Kiké vs. lefties: 81 wRC+. Verdugo vs. lefties: 83 wRC+. Basically the same, even with Kiké having an awful year, and arguably the superior CF defense makes the difference. (Plus, more subjectively, Verdugo has looked kind of tired to me lately and maybe he could use an extra long break.)
-Duran is a huge weapon off the bench as either a pinch hitter or pinch runner so why not wait for a high leverage situation against a righty. -I certainly have no issue with starting Refsnyder over Casas against a lefty, and again Casas can come off the bench if they need a guy to get on base in high leverage.
Good points all. I know why people are pretending the lineup is set in stone with no substitutions allowed. "Humm. It's been nearly an hour since I vented about Cora."
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