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2023 Draft Signing Period
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 24, 2023 10:01:45 GMT -5
My understanding per a team source is Riemer is going to sign. Seems like it's more of a logistical thing than any actual problem. 30 hours until the signing deadline. Any further word on Riemer? Not that it's an enormous financial deal. The Sox are under their cap +5% limit whether he signs or not. The only issue is, if he signs for significantly under slot, they could conceivably have enough to convince one of the unsigned HS'ers to sign as well. But I'm not going to get in a panic if the Sox don't sign the 4th SS they drafted.
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Post by Canseco on Jul 24, 2023 10:06:52 GMT -5
Thanks for that info. I hadn’t realized that about Taylor. He’ll be one to really root for going forward.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 24, 2023 10:15:20 GMT -5
My understanding per a team source is Riemer is going to sign. Seems like it's more of a logistical thing than any actual problem. 30 hours until the signing deadline. Any further word on Riemer? Not that it's an enormous financial deal. The Sox are under their cap +5% limit whether he signs or not. The only issue is, if he signs for significantly under slot, they could conceivably have enough to convince one of the unsigned HS'ers to sign as well. But I'm not going to get in a panic if the Sox don't sign the 4th SS they drafted. Bud, it hasn't even been 24 hours since I reported that.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 24, 2023 10:28:46 GMT -5
Question: it seems to me the Red Sox could've appointed Nelly Taylor as a draft and follow and sign him after tomorrow's deadline. Then of his bonus of 300K only 75K would've counted against the cap. Can someone explain why they didn't do this? The extra 75K probably isn't enough to move the needle on any of the three remaining high schoolers anyway, but I'm still curious.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 24, 2023 10:35:45 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 24, 2023 10:52:38 GMT -5
Yeah, draft-and-follow is only for guys who will be at a JuCo the following season.
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Post by KB24 on Jul 24, 2023 13:36:44 GMT -5
Red Sox and Dodgers are the only teams to not have signed any undrafted free agents so far. I wonder why they haven't had any interest on that front? Gotta figure there's someone they'd be interested taking a flier on.
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Post by capesox on Jul 24, 2023 13:59:13 GMT -5
Red Sox and Dodgers are the only teams to not have signed any undrafted free agents so far. I wonder why they haven't had any interest on that front? Gotta figure there's someone they'd be interested taking a flier on. The volume approach that the Red Sox have deployed with their international signings over the past few years I would think is a big reason why. It's a good thing if they think a UDFA can't beat out some of the international guys they have developed that are in A ball. The elimination of short season A ball leagues and having 2 DSL teams makes it hard for them to fit a UDFA into a team and take a job away from someone else.
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Post by aladaz on Jul 24, 2023 14:21:20 GMT -5
My understanding per a team source is Riemer is going to sign. Seems like it's more of a logistical thing than any actual problem. 30 hours until the signing deadline. Any further word on Riemer? Not that it's an enormous financial deal. The Sox are under their cap +5% limit whether he signs or not. The only issue is, if he signs for significantly under slot, they could conceivably have enough to convince one of the unsigned HS'ers to sign as well. But I'm not going to get in a panic if the Sox don't sign the 4th SS they drafted. Not to be a dummy, but are we sure they are under their cap+5% limit whether or not he signs? i have the cap + 5% ex that pick at 10,297,665, and the bonuses handed out at 10,301,200... did i mess up?
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 24, 2023 14:26:25 GMT -5
30 hours until the signing deadline. Any further word on Riemer? Not that it's an enormous financial deal. The Sox are under their cap +5% limit whether he signs or not. The only issue is, if he signs for significantly under slot, they could conceivably have enough to convince one of the unsigned HS'ers to sign as well. But I'm not going to get in a panic if the Sox don't sign the 4th SS they drafted. Not to be a dummy, but are we sure they are under their cap+5% limit whether or not he signs? i have the cap + 5% ex that pick at 10,297,665, and the bonuses handed out at 10,301,200... did i mess up? If you take the Sox total bonus pool minus slot for that 4C pick and then add 5% you get approximately 2k more then they’ve spent. So they’re not in trouble if Reimer doesn’t signThis is wrong, if Reimer hypothetically doesn't sign Sox will have exceeded the 5% overage by a few thousand. I still get $10,297,665 for some reason, but regardless the outcome is the same. He's almost certainly signing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 24, 2023 14:33:20 GMT -5
30 hours until the signing deadline. Any further word on Riemer? Not that it's an enormous financial deal. The Sox are under their cap +5% limit whether he signs or not. The only issue is, if he signs for significantly under slot, they could conceivably have enough to convince one of the unsigned HS'ers to sign as well. But I'm not going to get in a panic if the Sox don't sign the 4th SS they drafted. Not to be a dummy, but are we sure they are under their cap+5% limit whether or not he signs? i have the cap + 5% ex that pick at 10,297,665, and the bonuses handed out at 10,301,200... did i mess up? A) He's signing. B) But to answer the question, I think you're correct, except I get $10,297,581. This is further indication that he's obviously signing.
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Post by aladaz on Jul 24, 2023 14:35:10 GMT -5
Not to be a dummy, but are we sure they are under their cap+5% limit whether or not he signs? i have the cap + 5% ex that pick at 10,297,665, and the bonuses handed out at 10,301,200... did i mess up? If you take the Sox total bonus pool minus slot for that 4C pick and then add 5% you get approximately 2k more then they’ve spent. So they’re not in trouble if Reimer doesn’t sign Having trouble replicating that (10,295,100-487,800)*1.05 = 10,297,665, and the sum of the reported top 10 rounds + 150k for Nelly Taylor = 10,301,200 (4m+3m+1.5m+350k+492.7k+408.5k+50k+150k+50k+100k+50k + 150k for Nelly)
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Post by aladaz on Jul 24, 2023 14:37:10 GMT -5
Not to be a dummy, but are we sure they are under their cap+5% limit whether or not he signs? i have the cap + 5% ex that pick at 10,297,665, and the bonuses handed out at 10,301,200... did i mess up? A) He's signing. B) But to answer the question, I think you're correct, except I get $10,297,581. This is further indication that he's obviously signing. totally agree, that's kinda what I figured. Just wondering if the guy had a final change of heart what would happen... thanks crew
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Post by texs31 on Jul 24, 2023 14:59:09 GMT -5
Not to be a dummy, but are we sure they are under their cap+5% limit whether or not he signs? i have the cap + 5% ex that pick at 10,297,665, and the bonuses handed out at 10,301,200... did i mess up? A) He's signing. B) But to answer the question, I think you're correct, except I get $10,297,581. This is further indication that he's obviously signing. Another "I know he's signing but what if" question: I don't believe the Sox use the loophole where they don't have to count $2,500 of the bonus against the cap, as other teams do (I, admittedly, don't quite understand what this is for and why some teams use it while others don't - don't even know if "loophole" is the right word). If I DO understand correctly, the bonus to the player doesn't change. If that's the case, and if they (or any team that hasn't already announced the bonus' using that $2,500) find themselves jammed up due to a late "non-signing", could the team "re-announce" the bonus using that credit if it helps them get under the cap?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 24, 2023 16:16:31 GMT -5
Question: it seems to me the Red Sox could've appointed Nelly Taylor as a draft and follow and sign him after tomorrow's deadline. Then of his bonus of 300K only 75K would've counted against the cap. Can someone explain why they didn't do this? The extra 75K probably isn't enough to move the needle on any of the three remaining high schoolers anyway, but I'm still curious. Polk *was* a 2yr college and draft info pegs him as a sophomore. He had his time there and *used* to be Polk was for 2yr associates degree, or 1st 2y of schooling there and transfer to get a bachelor's degree. Admit am not up on how PCC has traversed over the years, but did go there under GI Bill for 2y many-a decade ago.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 24, 2023 19:47:07 GMT -5
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 24, 2023 20:14:13 GMT -5
Aside from Call maybe signing for $158,655 (I literally post a link of me eating my Red Sox if that happens) that’s the draft.
I love it. I think they did a great job of bringing in athleticism and upside.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 24, 2023 20:22:01 GMT -5
Seems like that's it then. Even with that being the case, a pretty good draft, a lot to be happy about. I'm wondering how people would compare it to last year's. I'd say this year's top three is definitely better than last year's on paper (Teel/Zanatello/Anderson vs. Romero/Anthony/Coffey), but I think the second tier of last year's is probably a little better, propped up by the difference between Brannon and the 4th guy in this class. Ultimately though I think the high end talent is so great and the depth of the class similar enough to where I'd slightly lean this year's, but regardless I'm just excited to have another year of injecting quite a few exciting talents into the system. Riemer (I loved the Meidroth pick, think he's probably pretty similar) and Early (Probably my favorite pick of the draft but I'm biased just based on loving the look I got in person) are among the really good examples of guys with a great combination of track record and upside, which is a minor theme of this class I really appreciate.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 24, 2023 21:14:15 GMT -5
Any chance we throw the left over money at a few UDFAs?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 24, 2023 21:25:39 GMT -5
Any chance we throw the left over money at a few UDFAs? There's only ~$8k left before the bonus + 5% threshold. That won't move the needle. Plus, I think the lack of UDFAs probably has to do with the domestic roster limits - they like the guys they have and don't want to cut guys to bring UDFAs in.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 24, 2023 22:29:08 GMT -5
Don't love the draft they had. But hard not to like the first two picks...
All that being said, my opinion is irrelevant and won't matter for 5+ years.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 24, 2023 22:49:59 GMT -5
Don't love the draft they had. But hard not to like the first two picks... All that being said, my opinion is irrelevant and won't matter for 5+ years. Sox went with high-end upside over depth. Given where the farm system is currently, I like that move.
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Post by stunzisox on Jul 24, 2023 23:21:59 GMT -5
Seems with everything formalized (informally of course) there’s one important question to be raised. Where does this class slot into the current rankings?
@admins are you all working feverishly to load them in before the August update or will you make us all cook a few weeks? Here’s to hoping it’s the former.
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jul 24, 2023 23:27:36 GMT -5
Over/under 5.5 draftees ranked in new update?
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Post by keninten on Jul 25, 2023 0:00:10 GMT -5
I liked that they drafted Call in case one of the top 3 didn`t sign.
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