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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 18, 2024 13:19:51 GMT -5
Honeycutt is a reborn prospect of the past like in the late 2000s he would have been a 1-1 candidate.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 18, 2024 13:34:39 GMT -5
If I were shadow drafting here, I'd pretty comfortably go any of the next three college pitchers over Honeycutt. Also interesting to note this is a significant low water mark for Seaver King and Josh Hartle. Even in games he's been productive, I have not been in love with what I've seen from King.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 18, 2024 18:53:09 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 20, 2024 12:08:36 GMT -5
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Post by larrycook on Mar 21, 2024 20:43:34 GMT -5
Smith and Arkansas beat auburn 1 to 0. Smith pitched really well. Gave up 3 hits I think.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 21, 2024 22:21:23 GMT -5
he’s been somewhat better this year than last, hitting about 333 with an OPS over 1 and 26% K rate. Speed, defense, power and arm. He’s like a 6’3” 205 Ceddanne Rafaela. Someone will take the gamble. Someone will certainly fall in love with him, but I can also definitely see him sliding past 12 if teams don’t think he’ll make consistent contact. I might take that gamble at 24 but not at 12. I hope we won't be picking that high for a while, so I'd lean toward higher floor than dreaming on an everyone-else-whiffed-on-him ceiling.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 21, 2024 22:36:25 GMT -5
Got to work tonight's Mississippi State - Texas A&M game, which is a better matchup than it appeared to be before the season, given MissSt's resurgence this year. After a really rough outing against Florida in which everything was getting barreled, I think Ryan Prager had an excellent bounceback against a solid SEC offense (so a very good offense in a vacuum). He got 20 whiffs against the team with the lowest K% in the SEC, including 8 in a 4 strikeout first inning. His command wasn't as sharp in this one, but he still oozes pitchability and really knows how to attack hitters. His feel for his breaking ball is legitimately excellent, and I think that's probably his best weapon at this point. He still doesn't have a ton of power, really consistently 90-92 though the metrics were good when I got to sneak a look at the pitch data, but the frame is good and he's still not that far removed from an injury that took away his entire sophomore season. If a team thinks they can get two more ticks on the fastball and add a cutter, I think there's a #4 starter in there.
On offense, A&M has three first round picks, if not top 10 picks, sitting at the top of the order. Jace LaViolette and Gavin Grahovac aren't yet eligible so I won't belabor the point with them, but both are pretty special bats. Braden Montgomery is my favorite archetype of player - an elite overall athlete who has yet to focus solely on one aspect of the game (I also made a pretty dumb claim about Will Taylor for this same reason). His bat speed is truly elite and even if he's not a 30 homer guy (which he could be), he's going to hit an absolute crap ton of doubles in his career. He's also a pretty legit switch hitter, though I'd say he's definitely better from the left side from what I've seen. Since he currently pitches (though I'm not sure that should continue much longer) he obviously has a great arm for right and the athleticism to handle center, though LaViolette has that locked down. There's probably a little more swing and miss than you'd like to see, but not to a concerning degree. Ultimately I think he's got a chance to be a true 5 tool guy, maybe a 45 hit, with more than enough everywhere else to make up for it.
On the Mississippi State side, I came into it wanting to like Dakota Jordan as a power over hit corner guy, and came away feeling confident that, even in a one game sample, there's just no chance he hits enough to ever get to it at the next level. He swung and missed at just about everything and let some very hittable strikes get by him as well. I know he's been on an absolute tear this year and the K% is improved, but that was comfortably the worst I'd ever seen a supposedly big time hitter look, so I'm more or less out, I think.
Not a whole lot else stood out. Mississippi State threw a freshman pitcher who I think will be really good one day, a 6'4" lefty who's had a lot of success this year but struggled. A&M has a few older seniors that are solid all around players in Ted Burton and Jackson Appel but probably just aren't true impact guys, though Appel has a chance as a catcher. Some interesting long term arms coming out of the A&M bullpen too, but mostly younger guys. Hoping to get a few more looks at Chris Cortez this year, he's an enigma as a guy with a huge fastball in the upper-90s with movement but no idea where it's going.
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Post by e on Mar 22, 2024 16:53:24 GMT -5
A guy I don't think gets talked about enough Jurrangelo Cijntje. He's a switch(yes) pitcher at Mississippi State and a draft eligible sophomore. Apparently his velo and stuff has ticked up massively this year, especially as the year has gone on. Up to 97 from the right side and 94 for the left in his last start. Also great counting stats: 2.60 ERA in 26.2 innings with 41ks
Mainly wanted to bring him up because I'm curious if this type of rarity could curb some injury risk? He's putting less wear and tear on each arm by switching back and forth, could be an interesting case. He already is curbing the platoon splits, and if his stuff is at least decent I'd imagine he'll get picked early rounds.
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Post by bettsonmookie on Mar 22, 2024 18:44:33 GMT -5
A guy I don't think gets talked about enough Jurrangelo Cijntje. He's a switch(yes) pitcher at Mississippi State and a draft eligible sophomore. Apparently his velo and stuff has ticked up massively this year, especially as the year has gone on. Up to 97 from the right side and 94 for the left in his last start. Also great counting stats: 2.60 ERA in 26.2 innings with 41ks Mainly wanted to bring him up because I'm curious if this type of rarity could curb some injury risk? He's putting less wear and tear on each arm by switching back and forth, could be an interesting case. He already is curbing the platoon splits, and if his stuff is at least decent I'd imagine he'll get picked early rounds. I personally find this to be more impressive than 2-way work like Ohtani/Canglianone. 94+ with either hand? Are you kidding me? Can't wait to google this kid.
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Post by ixnayexxus on Mar 22, 2024 19:56:12 GMT -5
A guy I don't think gets talked about enough Jurrangelo Cijntje. He's a switch(yes) pitcher at Mississippi State and a draft eligible sophomore. Apparently his velo and stuff has ticked up massively this year, especially as the year has gone on. Up to 97 from the right side and 94 for the left in his last start. Also great counting stats: 2.60 ERA in 26.2 innings with 41ks Mainly wanted to bring him up because I'm curious if this type of rarity could curb some injury risk? He's putting less wear and tear on each arm by switching back and forth, could be an interesting case. He already is curbing the platoon splits, and if his stuff is at least decent I'd imagine he'll get picked early rounds. Pat Venditte crawled, so guys like Cijntje could sprint
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 22, 2024 21:12:51 GMT -5
Feels like Luke Holman is going to be real popular on this board.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 24, 2024 17:36:51 GMT -5
I’m gonna plant my flag I think Bazzana should be the #1 pick.
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Post by estedman1 on Mar 24, 2024 17:41:23 GMT -5
A guy I don't think gets talked about enough Jurrangelo Cijntje. He's a switch(yes) pitcher at Mississippi State and a draft eligible sophomore. Apparently his velo and stuff has ticked up massively this year, especially as the year has gone on. Up to 97 from the right side and 94 for the left in his last start. Also great counting stats: 2.60 ERA in 26.2 innings with 41ks Mainly wanted to bring him up because I'm curious if this type of rarity could curb some injury risk? He's putting less wear and tear on each arm by switching back and forth, could be an interesting case. He already is curbing the platoon splits, and if his stuff is at least decent I'd imagine he'll get picked early rounds. Watched his whole start against LSU this year and he only switched to left for maybe three batters. I think he’s a legit pitcher from the right side and the left is almost solely velo based. Crazy prospect nonetheless
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Post by estedman1 on Mar 24, 2024 17:44:15 GMT -5
Feels like Luke Holman is going to be real popular on this board. I’ve watched ever Holman start this year and he’s been amazing. He’s an interesting prospect because he pitches like a crafty lefty but he’s a righty. Good movement on the fb and can land his breaking ball whenever he wants. I’ll have a better report this weekend but he’s got amazing pitchability to go along with command and control. Mixes his pitches well. There’s some effort in his delivery but he repeats it well enough. Doesn’t have amazing extension but it works
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Mar 24, 2024 18:56:59 GMT -5
Feels like Luke Holman is going to be real popular on this board. I’ve watched ever Holman start this year and he’s been amazing. He’s an interesting prospect because he pitches like a crafty lefty but he’s a righty. Good movement on the fb and can land his breaking ball whenever he wants. I’ll have a better report this weekend but he’s got amazing pitchability to go along with command and control. Mixes his pitches well. There’s some effort in his delivery but he repeats it well enough. Doesn’t have amazing extension but it works Gotta love pitchability and command at that age. Good enough for #12, under slot? Doesn't seem like he'd fall to #50, barring injury...
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Post by 0ap0 on Mar 25, 2024 3:24:54 GMT -5
Feels like Luke Holman is going to be real popular on this board. I’ve watched ever Holman start this year and he’s been amazing. He’s an interesting prospect because he pitches like a crafty lefty but he’s a righty. Good movement on the fb and can land his breaking ball whenever he wants. I’ll have a better report this weekend but he’s got amazing pitchability to go along with command and control. Mixes his pitches well. There’s some effort in his delivery but he repeats it well enough. Doesn’t have amazing extension but it works I suspect that's that's a profile that gets you quickly through to the high minors before "...but gives up too many home runs" gets added to the end of it.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 25, 2024 13:26:41 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Mar 27, 2024 8:52:29 GMT -5
Right now I’ll admit I’d be on the fence with Honeycutt but if he improves the k% going forward in ACC and tourney play I could change my mind. A prime Mike Cameron type would fit on about any team. That being said I’d guess there’s about a 75% we take a pitcher. I’m anxious to see how Caminiti does this spring.
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Post by kwodes on Mar 27, 2024 9:12:41 GMT -5
Right now I’ll admit I’d be on the fence with Honeycutt but if he improves the k% going forward in ACC and tourney play I could change my mind. A prime Mike Cameron type would fit on about any team. That being said I’d guess there’s about a 75% we take a pitcher. I’m anxious to see how Caminiti does this spring. Just my opinion, but a high K% is a non-starter for me. I get that those players can still have value, but that's such a scary hole where if every other skill isn't above average, you end up with a super low floor player. Especially with the 12th pick.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 27, 2024 10:09:01 GMT -5
Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo did a mock of the top 10 picks: www.mlb.com/news/podcast-projecting-the-top-10-picks-of-the-2024-mlb-draft?t=mlb-draft-coverageWould leave the likes of Seaver King, Brody Brecht, Jonathan Santucci, Caleb Lomavita, Kaelen Culpepper, Mike Sirota, Jacob Cozart, Cam Smith, William Schmidt, Bryce Rainer, Malcolm Moore, Josh Hartle, Cam Caminiti, Drew Beam, and PJ Morlando.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 27, 2024 10:25:40 GMT -5
Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo did a mock of the top 10 picks: www.mlb.com/news/podcast-projecting-the-top-10-picks-of-the-2024-mlb-draft?t=mlb-draft-coverageWould leave the likes of Seaver King, Brody Brecht, Jonathan Santucci, Caleb Lomavita, Kaelen Culpepper, Mike Sirota, Jacob Cozart, Cam Smith, William Schmidt, Bryce Rainer, Malcolm Moore, Josh Hartle, Cam Caminiti, Drew Beam, and PJ Morlando. A guy named Seaver King deserves to be in consideration just off that name alone. That's a baseball name if I've ever heard one.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 27, 2024 12:16:51 GMT -5
One guy that feels like a huge riser right now is Ryan Johnson from DBU. At this point in time I’d be really interested in him as an under slot guy if Burns/Smith are off the board, as I think he’s probably not that far off of Brecht talent-wise, and may come with lower bonus demands. He feels a lot like Cade Horton, who the Cubs were obviously very high on. Also I feel like such a boomer for now knowing how to make the tweet embed properly, can someone let me know how to do it lol
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Post by nomar on Mar 27, 2024 12:41:27 GMT -5
One guy that feels like a huge riser right now is Ryan Johnson from DBU. At this point in time I’d be really interested in him as an under slot guy if Burns/Smith are off the board, as I think he’s probably not that far off of Brecht talent-wise, and may come with lower bonus demands. He feels a lot like Cade Horton, who the Cubs were obviously very high on. Also I feel like such a boomer for now knowing how to make the tweet embed properly, can someone let me know how to do it lol x.com/dseifertd1pbr/status/1771344950589837767?s=46Just delete the “x” before “.com” and replace it with “twitter” I had never heard of Johnson, but even in CUSA 13.7 K/9 to 1.1 BB/9 is eyebrow raising. Yesavage is another underslot option I like. Brecht’s BB rate is just absurdly high and worries me a lot. Santucci has a 6+ BB/9 too. The Red Sox pick might be at an iffy spot for arms unless they go underslot for one.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 27, 2024 12:43:02 GMT -5
Vance Honeycutt is a name people are going to have strong, polarizing opinions about that is probably going to get mocked in our range up until the draft. Have fun arguing
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Mar 27, 2024 13:02:07 GMT -5
One guy that feels like a huge riser right now is Ryan Johnson from DBU. At this point in time I’d be really interested in him as an under slot guy if Burns/Smith are off the board, as I think he’s probably not that far off of Brecht talent-wise, and may come with lower bonus demands. He feels a lot like Cade Horton, who the Cubs were obviously very high on. Also I feel like such a boomer for now knowing how to make the tweet embed properly, can someone let me know how to do it lol x.com/dseifertd1pbr/status/1771344950589837767?s=46Just delete the “x” before “.com” and replace it with “twitter” I had never heard of Johnson, but even in CUSA 13.7 K/9 to 1.1 BB/9 is eyebrow raising. Yesavage is another underslot option I like. Brecht’s BB rate is just absurdly high and worries me a lot. Santucci has a 6+ BB/9 too. The Red Sox pick might be at an iffy spot for arms unless they go underslot for one. Okay thanks that’s what I thought it was but I was too afraid to take the risk lol I also like Yesavage, I’ve talked about seeing him at the Charlottesville regional last year. I think he’s got a really good floor but not a ton of projection, which is fine especially since I’ve argued for floor in the first round anyway.
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