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Post by chaimtime on Sept 6, 2023 14:06:09 GMT -5
Quick reality check: A July 15th ranked prospect before re-ranking mid-year could well now be a top 10 or possibly even top 5 prospect (realignment of rankings due to pre-August performance plus any grads since then). Doesn't mean we should have done the trade, but maybe re-ground the discussion I to what is more likely... which is that the player is not still likely only top 15. How did you come to this conclusion? How does a top-15 prospect become a top-5 prospect once you add draft picks to the system? This doesn’t seem like a reality check, it seems like mental gymnastics to substitute the reality of “James Paxton wasn’t garnering much at the trade deadline, and thus it was not a huge blunder to not trade him” with your preferred scenario of “James Paxton was a hot commodity at the trade deadline and Bumbling Bloom bungled another one by not capitalizing”
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Post by nonothing on Sept 6, 2023 14:10:02 GMT -5
As we continue to wind down - the givens - no doubters - for next year to me are Wong at C, Casas at 1, Story at SS with question marks everywhere (even with STory's bat) is Raffy really a third baseman we can win with - or is he the DH? I am not at all sold on Urias Masa - his D? Duvall - his age? Turner - his age? Verdugo - his consistency issues who plays third? Duran and Rafaela need to play. Are Abreu and Valdez' bats for real? IN OTHER WORDS - this is a bit like rearrange deck chairs. Without additions and subtractions, I can't make this a truly winning team for next year. Why are your no-doubters Casas plus 2 guys that are potentially expendable? Wong isn't a game changer. Story has been brutal. If he cannot bounce back with the bat, he won't be playing by this time next year. Hopefully he bounces back -- but he has been really, really bad. The definites are Casas at 1B and Devers hitting (probably at least 50% playing 3B). The middle infield is up for grabs, but I suspect Reyes is at least on the bench as a utility option. Story is probably an untradeable lock to begin at SS, but I would not rule out a different starting SS by year end 2024. Wong and McGuire are fine, but either could go with the right offer. This position will be made up of these guys or likely one of our AAA/AA crop until Teel gets to the big club, hopefully 2025. We have enough offense and can/should sign Duvall and Turner if we want. The big discussion is how we pay for starting pitching (Cash only or Current MLB Players and/or Prospects plus Cash).
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Post by nonothing on Sept 6, 2023 14:10:41 GMT -5
Quick reality check: A July 15th ranked prospect before re-ranking mid-year could well now be a top 10 or possibly even top 5 prospect (realignment of rankings due to pre-August performance plus any grads since then). Putting aside whether or not the rumor is real, I am confident that literally no team's #15 prospect on July 31 would now be ranked above any of Mayer/Anthony/Bleis/Rafaela/Teel. I'm doubtful any of them would even be top 10 in the Red Sox system now. Their top 10 or 5, not ours
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Post by nonothing on Sept 6, 2023 14:12:19 GMT -5
Quick reality check: A July 15th ranked prospect before re-ranking mid-year could well now be a top 10 or possibly even top 5 prospect (realignment of rankings due to pre-August performance plus any grads since then). Doesn't mean we should have done the trade, but maybe re-ground the discussion I to what is more likely... which is that the player is not still likely only top 15. How did you come to this conclusion? How does a top-15 prospect become a top-5 prospect once you add draft picks to the system? This doesn’t seem like a reality check, it seems like mental gymnastics to substitute the reality of “James Paxton wasn’t garnering much at the trade deadline, and thus it was not a huge blunder to not trade him” with your preferred scenario of “James Paxton was a hot commodity at the trade deadline and Bumbling Bloom bungled another one by not capitalizing” Says top 10 or maybe top 5. Top 10 more likely. Guys literally climb 5+ spots all the time.
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Post by scottysmalls on Sept 6, 2023 14:18:23 GMT -5
Putting aside whether or not the rumor is real, I am confident that literally no team's #15 prospect on July 31 would now be ranked above any of Mayer/Anthony/Bleis/Rafaela/Teel. I'm doubtful any of them would even be top 10 in the Red Sox system now. Their top 10 or 5, not ours Why are the Red Sox special? Our prospects don't move as much as other farms? It's literally been a month. There is no farm system in baseball where the 15th ranked guy a month ago is now the 5th (unless maybe that farm system also traded all the prospects in between at the deadline but I don't know of any that fit that description). This is a dumb long tangent on prospect ranking in the 2024 Lineup Discussion thread so I'll drop it here.
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Post by chaimtime on Sept 6, 2023 14:23:51 GMT -5
How did you come to this conclusion? How does a top-15 prospect become a top-5 prospect once you add draft picks to the system? This doesn’t seem like a reality check, it seems like mental gymnastics to substitute the reality of “James Paxton wasn’t garnering much at the trade deadline, and thus it was not a huge blunder to not trade him” with your preferred scenario of “James Paxton was a hot commodity at the trade deadline and Bumbling Bloom bungled another one by not capitalizing” Says top 10 or maybe top 5. Top 10 more likely. Guys literally climb 5+ spots all the time. Maybe in publications that update their rankings every few months, but I have a hard time believing an MLB front office is going from “this guy isn’t a particularly good prospect” to “this guy is one of the best you’ve got” in between August 1 and September 6. And most guys who climb 5+ spots are either in the low minors or in the middle of an extended breakout and evaluators have been waiting on pushing them up. Either way I’m just curious why this is a “reality check” you’re giving us when there is no evidence whatsoever that this is the case?
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 6, 2023 14:24:02 GMT -5
Story has been real bad at the dish, not going to even try and say he hasn't. However he didn't have a normal offseason as he went under the knife and presumably spent most of it rehabbing his elbow. He didn't get any spring training and has only played in about a months worth of games. Also looking at his career splits, he is generally a slow starter. Career wRC+ in Mar/Apr 95, he's above 100 every other month in his career.
Does anyone really expect him to have a wRC+ of 28 which is what he's done this year for the rest of his contract? With his defense at the SS position he can probably put up a wRC+ of 80-90 and still be a 2-3 WAR player. Would I be jumping for joy at that? Nope, but it's still a fine SS to have with his defensive ability and base running. I'm still bullish on him and feel like he'll be a 100+ wRC player for at least the next few seasons which probably pushes him to 3-4 WAR which would be fine value on his contract.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 6, 2023 15:45:04 GMT -5
Top 5 in the Red Sox system is a top-100 prospect. When a front office person says "top-15 prospect" they don't mean "prospect who was ranked 15th by a publication and is now a top-100 dude." This isn't like when a team acquires a guy who has popped up during the season and some content aggregator is like "Johnny Baseball is ranked 22nd in the Brewers system by Baseball America" without any context.
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Post by manfred on Sept 6, 2023 15:55:45 GMT -5
I’d take a #15 prospect if that is all there is. It is better than a handful of bad and meaningless starts. I wanted to trade him and didn’t really think deeply about a return. it’s not better than a handful of good and meaningful starts, which your much more likely to get out of James Paxton than a team’s 15th-ranked prospect His last 7 games he has a 6.68 ERA. They are out of it, so the starts are meaningless, too.
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Post by nomar on Sept 6, 2023 16:06:32 GMT -5
What thread am I in?
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Post by chaimtime on Sept 6, 2023 16:12:28 GMT -5
it’s not better than a handful of good and meaningful starts, which your much more likely to get out of James Paxton than a team’s 15th-ranked prospect His last 7 games he has a 6.68 ERA. They are out of it, so the starts are meaningless, too. I don’t care what the starts have been, I care about the probabilities based on the available info on August 1, 2023. That’s how any front office decision should be evaluated. 7 games with a 6.68 ERA was certainly in the cards! Not denying that. I’m also not denying that other teams making a playoff push would’ve known that too, and would’ve operated under that knowledge. Therefore they likely would not have wanted to pay very much for him. From the Red Sox perspective, there is a good chance that he blows up, but there is also a reasonable chance that he continues to be the best starter on the team, which is probably a necessary condition for the 2023 Red Sox making the playoffs. If they don’t think the prospect return is worth their while, why bother trading him? So soxprospects.com forum users don’t get mad that they didn’t punt on the season at the deadline?
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Post by chaimtime on Sept 6, 2023 16:14:27 GMT -5
I am genuinely sorry, I’ve always been much better at not taking the bait, but I can’t help myself this season. Point taken, though.
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 6, 2023 16:16:18 GMT -5
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Post by carmenfanzone on Sept 6, 2023 16:22:43 GMT -5
Story has been real bad at the dish, not going to even try and say he hasn't. However he didn't have a normal offseason as he went under the knife and presumably spent most of it rehabbing his elbow. He didn't get any spring training and has only played in about a months worth of games. Also looking at his career splits, he is generally a slow starter. Career wRC+ in Mar/Apr 95, he's above 100 every other month in his career. Does anyone really expect him to have a wRC+ of 28 which is what he's done this year for the rest of his contract? With his defense at the SS position he can probably put up a wRC+ of 80-90 and still be a 2-3 WAR player. Would I be jumping for joy at that? Nope, but it's still a fine SS to have with his defensive ability and base running. I'm still bullish on him and feel like he'll be a 100+ wRC player for at least the next few seasons which probably pushes him to 3-4 WAR which would be fine value on his contract. I expected him to hit better than Chang. So, I think, did most people who thought his return was going to give the team a boost sort of like making a deadline trade for a bat. And he wasn't great last year either. Assuming he is going to be better next year after these last 2 years is a big assumption. Hope he comes back strong, but I think you have to consider the offense we are going to get from the shortstop position (and 2nd for that matter) a BIG question mark going into next year. Which means you need the other positions in the order to be as strong as possible while still spending heavily to improve the pitching.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Sept 6, 2023 21:30:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty surprised so many people seem to be content to go into next season with an offense that's weaker than the current lineup. Fourth best offense in AL. A year of improvement/experience from Casas and Yoshida, plus a healthy Story will help the lineup. The defense and pitching is the issue with this team. The defense needs vast improvement and that will help the pitching. This team can weaken the offense some, if it leads to improved defense therefore a better run differential. Not only does it make sense but is also very likely. Let Turner walk and even Duvall. To offset that one other option would be signing Bellinger whose only 28 and appears to be much closer to his MVP season than the player since then until this year. He's not ideal since he also is a lefty hitter too, that said hear me out. He's a CF'er whose glove is about average in CF, slide him over to RF. Abreu backs him up. in CF is Rafaela with Bellinger backing him up. In LF is Durran/ Abreu. Refsnyder remain the 5th option in the OF. Bellinger can back-up 1B should Casas be injured. Turner and Duvall make about $15M plus so CB makes about $17M this year and likely to recieve a solid raise say $24 ish. So he adds about $9M to the positional players on the roster. Sign an ace, assume $30M/yr and a mid rotation starter assume $20M./yr and you add $50M/ to the rotation or about $59M to next year roster. This team would be instantly a playoff contender maybe more and I don't see a roster spot blocked as eventually Story will move to second when Mayer is ready (late 2025?) and he'd block Yorke, actually the Sox owe a $5M buyout so should Yorke etc force their way onto the roster the Sox could easily use that buyout option. Add a trade with Verdugo (1 yr left) and Crawford (5 years) for a #3 type with 2 years left of arbitration eligible or something as close to that as you can. The revised batting order; 1. LF-Jarren Durran (L) 2. 2B-battle it out between Pablo Reyes (R) and Urias (R) 3. 3B-Devers (L) 4. 1B-Casas (L)- 5. RF-Bellinger (L)6. DH-Masatake Yoshida (L) 7. SS-Story (R) 8. C-Connor Wong (R) 9. CF-Ceddanne Rafaele (R) Bench OF option-1 Abreu, option-2-Refsnyder Bench IF- 1 which ever of Reyes or Urias loses the 2B battle. Urias can back up 3b and more. Rafaela-SS. Bellinger backs up 1B Bench C-MCGuire SP-1-Free Agent signing (ex. Yamamoto) SP-2 or 3- Bello SP-3 or 2-(ex Nola/Snell/Montgomery types) SP-4- (trade SP whose about to enter arb-2) for Verdugo and Crawford, the best upgrade you can get on Crawford. Wildcard on salary team impact but likely be less overall cost. SP-5-Sale-whose last year with the Sox could very well be 2024 as the team has a club option of $20M for 2025. Wikelman Gonzalez should be ready by then. Bullpen similar to this year but Houck, Pivetta and Whitlock go to the pen full time until the inevitable with one ready for another Sale injuries or injuries to others too. Alot more pitching depth especially to the starting rotation which wether or not you realize it was the achilles heal of this team. It was somewhat obvious before the season to so lets not kid ourselves here. So even with these adds they'd still be well below the CBT AND after the 24 season they'd shed Sales contract. This off-season is the off-season to add several key free agents. AA will be loaded with several prospects with several likely to arrive in Boston in 2025 at various parts of the season. Everything is lining up perfectly to take-on a few expensive contracts this off-season and still retain roster flexibility. (at some point they should trade for an impactful right handed batter but remain vigilent until the fit is very good). This team above would have no real weakness other than ideally you'd have a RH heart of the line-up bat in there to break up having to many LH batters in a row. That's alot better than having bad defense and poor starting pitcher, offense should be about the same BUT have higher upside than this years.
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Post by nonothing on Sept 7, 2023 2:11:22 GMT -5
Their top 10 or 5, not ours Why are the Red Sox special? Our prospects don't move as much as other farms? It's literally been a month. There is no farm system in baseball where the 15th ranked guy a month ago is now the 5th (unless maybe that farm system also traded all the prospects in between at the deadline but I don't know of any that fit that description). This is a dumb long tangent on prospect ranking in the 2024 Lineup Discussion thread so I'll drop it here. Apologies for and agree to drop tangent, but my understanding (perhaps wrong) was that we were talking like MLB.com type rankings for other teams (not frequently updated), not Sox Prospects (updated monthly). So I am talking about people going from #15 to like #8 from March ranking (adjusted for graduations only) to August rankings. I think we can all agree that happens very regularly. If we can't, then agree to disagree and move on anyway. Seriously doubt we sign Bellinger. Not a need for the money he would require, which we would spend instead on pitching or RH power in OF like Duvall. Can somebody please provide thoughts on Abreu defensively compared to guys we have now? I am not assuming he makes team out of camp, but more likely is the injury up/down OF next year who could always push to become a regular -- but you never know with trades/injuries/etc. How good is he in OF corner, and is he at least Duvall quality defensively in CF? I am not asking how Abreu compares to Rafaela (i.e. not asking if he is truly special defensively), but curious if Abreu is a legit CF option if he makes/comes up to join the team in any role during 2024, or if he really is only a corner guy who can occasionally start in CF? And could he handle RF at Fenway and play average or better defensively there?
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 7, 2023 5:35:34 GMT -5
Fourth best offense in AL. A year of improvement/experience from Casas and Yoshida, plus a healthy Story will help the lineup. The defense and pitching is the issue with this team. The defense needs vast improvement and that will help the pitching. This team can weaken the offense some, if it leads to improved defense therefore a better run differential. Not only does it make sense but is also very likely. Let Turner walk and even Duvall. To offset that one other option would be signing Bellinger whose only 28 and appears to be much closer to his MVP season than the player since then until this year. He's not ideal since he also is a lefty hitter too, that said hear me out. He's a CF'er whose glove is about average in CF, slide him over to RF. Abreu backs him up. in CF is Rafaela with Bellinger backing him up. In LF is Durran/ Abreu. Refsnyder remain the 5th option in the OF. Bellinger can back-up 1B should Casas be injured. Turner and Duvall make about $15M plus so CB makes about $17M this year and likely to recieve a solid raise say $24 ish. So he adds about $9M to the positional players on the roster. Sign an ace, assume $30M/yr and a mid rotation starter assume $20M./yr and you add $50M/ to the rotation or about $59M to next year roster. This team would be instantly a playoff contender maybe more and I don't see a roster spot blocked as eventually Story will move to second when Mayer is ready (late 2025?) and he'd block Yorke, actually the Sox owe a $5M buyout so should Yorke etc force their way onto the roster the Sox could easily use that buyout option. Add a trade with Verdugo (1 yr left) and Crawford (5 years) for a #3 type with 2 years left of arbitration eligible or something as close to that as you can. The revised batting order; 1. LF-Jarren Durran (L) 2. 2B-battle it out between Pablo Reyes (R) and Urias (R) 3. 3B-Devers (L) 4. 1B-Casas (L)- 5. RF-Bellinger (L)6. DH-Masatake Yoshida (L) 7. SS-Story (R) 8. C-Connor Wong (R) 9. CF-Ceddanne Rafaele (R) Bench OF option-1 Abreu, option-2-Refsnyder Bench IF- 1 which ever of Reyes or Urias loses the 2B battle. Urias can back up 3b and more. Rafaela-SS. Bellinger backs up 1B Bench C-MCGuire SP-1-Free Agent signing (ex. Yamamoto) SP-2 or 3- Bello SP-3 or 2-(ex Nola/Snell/Montgomery types) SP-4- (trade SP whose about to enter arb-2) for Verdugo and Crawford, the best upgrade you can get on Crawford. Wildcard on salary team impact but likely be less overall cost. SP-5-Sale-whose last year with the Sox could very well be 2024 as the team has a club option of $20M for 2025. Wikelman Gonzalez should be ready by then. Bullpen similar to this year but Houck, Pivetta and Whitlock go to the pen full time until the inevitable with one ready for another Sale injuries or injuries to others too. Alot more pitching depth especially to the starting rotation which wether or not you realize it was the achilles heal of this team. It was somewhat obvious before the season to so lets not kid ourselves here. So even with these adds they'd still be well below the CBT AND after the 24 season they'd shed Sales contract. This off-season is the off-season to add several key free agents. AA will be loaded with several prospects with several likely to arrive in Boston in 2025 at various parts of the season. Everything is lining up perfectly to take-on a few expensive contracts this off-season and still retain roster flexibility. (at some point they should trade for an impactful right handed batter but remain vigilent until the fit is very good). This team above would have no real weakness other than ideally you'd have a RH heart of the line-up bat in there to break up having to many LH batters in a row. That's alot better than having bad defense and poor starting pitcher, offense should be about the same BUT have higher upside than this years. I've seen Bellinger get predictions north of 200M for a contract. No thanks on that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 7, 2023 5:37:29 GMT -5
Not only does it make sense but is also very likely. Let Turner walk and even Duvall. To offset that one other option would be signing Bellinger whose only 28 and appears to be much closer to his MVP season than the player since then until this year. He's not ideal since he also is a lefty hitter too, that said hear me out. He's a CF'er whose glove is about average in CF, slide him over to RF. Abreu backs him up. in CF is Rafaela with Bellinger backing him up. In LF is Durran/ Abreu. Refsnyder remain the 5th option in the OF. Bellinger can back-up 1B should Casas be injured. Turner and Duvall make about $15M plus so CB makes about $17M this year and likely to recieve a solid raise say $24 ish. So he adds about $9M to the positional players on the roster. Sign an ace, assume $30M/yr and a mid rotation starter assume $20M./yr and you add $50M/ to the rotation or about $59M to next year roster. This team would be instantly a playoff contender maybe more and I don't see a roster spot blocked as eventually Story will move to second when Mayer is ready (late 2025?) and he'd block Yorke, actually the Sox owe a $5M buyout so should Yorke etc force their way onto the roster the Sox could easily use that buyout option. Add a trade with Verdugo (1 yr left) and Crawford (5 years) for a #3 type with 2 years left of arbitration eligible or something as close to that as you can. The revised batting order; 1. LF-Jarren Durran (L) 2. 2B-battle it out between Pablo Reyes (R) and Urias (R) 3. 3B-Devers (L) 4. 1B-Casas (L)- 5. RF-Bellinger (L)6. DH-Masatake Yoshida (L) 7. SS-Story (R) 8. C-Connor Wong (R) 9. CF-Ceddanne Rafaele (R) Bench OF option-1 Abreu, option-2-Refsnyder Bench IF- 1 which ever of Reyes or Urias loses the 2B battle. Urias can back up 3b and more. Rafaela-SS. Bellinger backs up 1B Bench C-MCGuire SP-1-Free Agent signing (ex. Yamamoto) SP-2 or 3- Bello SP-3 or 2-(ex Nola/Snell/Montgomery types) SP-4- (trade SP whose about to enter arb-2) for Verdugo and Crawford, the best upgrade you can get on Crawford. Wildcard on salary team impact but likely be less overall cost. SP-5-Sale-whose last year with the Sox could very well be 2024 as the team has a club option of $20M for 2025. Wikelman Gonzalez should be ready by then. Bullpen similar to this year but Houck, Pivetta and Whitlock go to the pen full time until the inevitable with one ready for another Sale injuries or injuries to others too. Alot more pitching depth especially to the starting rotation which wether or not you realize it was the achilles heal of this team. It was somewhat obvious before the season to so lets not kid ourselves here. So even with these adds they'd still be well below the CBT AND after the 24 season they'd shed Sales contract. This off-season is the off-season to add several key free agents. AA will be loaded with several prospects with several likely to arrive in Boston in 2025 at various parts of the season. Everything is lining up perfectly to take-on a few expensive contracts this off-season and still retain roster flexibility. (at some point they should trade for an impactful right handed batter but remain vigilent until the fit is very good). This team above would have no real weakness other than ideally you'd have a RH heart of the line-up bat in there to break up having to many LH batters in a row. That's alot better than having bad defense and poor starting pitcher, offense should be about the same BUT have higher upside than this years. I've seen Bellinger get predictions north of 200M for a contract. No thanks on that. Just a hunch and my hunches have been wrong before but I think Bellinger is the guy the Yankees are going to zero in on and I think theyll sign him.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 7, 2023 6:10:20 GMT -5
I've seen Bellinger get predictions north of 200M for a contract. No thanks on that. Just a hunch and my hunches have been wrong before but I think Bellinger is the guy the Yankees are going to zero in on and I think theyll sign him. He's seemingly a good fit there but if he does get something north of 200M then they can have him. I think that'd be a good outcome for the Sox. Bloat that payroll even more.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 7, 2023 9:51:28 GMT -5
Just a hunch and my hunches have been wrong before but I think Bellinger is the guy the Yankees are going to zero in on and I think theyll sign him. He's seemingly a good fit there but if he does get something north of 200M then they can have him. I think that'd be a good outcome for the Sox. Bloat that payroll even more. I think they're kind of forced into it. If Rizzo cant rebound, then they have no LH power. Even with a Rizzo rebound they'd need Bellinger to improve their limited lineup.
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Post by chaimtime on Sept 7, 2023 10:04:27 GMT -5
Bellinger is a guy I personally am not interested in, at all. He’s come a long way to get back from the mess he was, but Wrigley Field has been very kind to him. Seen him drop quite a few into the netting this year that I’m pretty confident would be outs in most ballparks.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 7, 2023 10:11:50 GMT -5
Bellinger is a guy I personally am not interested in, at all. He’s come a long way to get back from the mess he was, but Wrigley Field has been very kind to him. Seen him drop quite a few into the netting this year that I’m pretty confident would be outs in most ballparks. Baseballsavant backs you up there - he's had 24 HRs but only 20.2 expected HRs. Also 20 expected in Yankee Stadium and only 17 in Fenway.
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 7, 2023 10:13:37 GMT -5
He's seemingly a good fit there but if he does get something north of 200M then they can have him. I think that'd be a good outcome for the Sox. Bloat that payroll even more. I think they're kind of forced into it. If Rizzo cant rebound, then they have no LH power. Even with a Rizzo rebound they'd need Bellinger to improve their limited lineup. Possibly, and I agree money aside he's a good fit for them and that ballpark. Let's theoretically say he's getting $175-200M+ that means he's getting something in the ballpark of 7 years @ 25-30M. I'm not so sure I can see the Yankees signing up for that type of contract this offseason with their already bloated payroll. He's also not a huge need in the OF if Dominguez is for real, they already have Judge out in RF and if Dominguez is for real they already would have a very good 2/3 of an OF. A guy like Kiermaier makes a whole lot of sense for the Yankees as well. Obviously has less upside than Bellinger but doubt he's getting more than a year or two in a contract. Which should be the type of move they're looking for in a CF right now.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 7, 2023 10:17:56 GMT -5
I think they're kind of forced into it. If Rizzo cant rebound, then they have no LH power. Even with a Rizzo rebound they'd need Bellinger to improve their limited lineup. Possibly, and I agree money aside he's a good fit for them and that ballpark. Let's theoretically say he's getting $175-200M+ that means he's getting something in the ballpark of 7 years @ 25-30M. I'm not so sure I can see the Yankees signing up for that type of contract this offseason with their already bloated payroll. He's also not a huge need in the OF if Dominguez is for real, they already have Judge out in RF and if Dominguez is for real they already would have a very good 2/3 of an OF. A guy like Kiermaier makes a whole lot of sense for the Yankees as well. Obviously has less upside than Bellinger but doubt he's getting more than a year or two in a contract. Which should be the type of move they're looking for in a CF right now. If they wanted a Kiermaier type wouldn't they have just kept Bader?
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 7, 2023 10:25:00 GMT -5
Possibly, and I agree money aside he's a good fit for them and that ballpark. Let's theoretically say he's getting $175-200M+ that means he's getting something in the ballpark of 7 years @ 25-30M. I'm not so sure I can see the Yankees signing up for that type of contract this offseason with their already bloated payroll. He's also not a huge need in the OF if Dominguez is for real, they already have Judge out in RF and if Dominguez is for real they already would have a very good 2/3 of an OF. A guy like Kiermaier makes a whole lot of sense for the Yankees as well. Obviously has less upside than Bellinger but doubt he's getting more than a year or two in a contract. Which should be the type of move they're looking for in a CF right now. If they wanted a Kiermaier type wouldn't they have just kept Bader? Kiermaier is a LHH vs Bader being a RHH so if they want to balance out the right vs left I could see them preferring Kiermaier.
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