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Post by costpet on Oct 4, 2023 16:27:12 GMT -5
If we finish 2-15 or 3-24, which is entirely possible, I think Kraft’s been move is to fire Bb as the GM but keep him as the coach. He has trouble picking players, but is good if he has good players. Coaching is his wheelhouse, GM is not.
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Post by cdj on Oct 4, 2023 16:28:33 GMT -5
If we finish 2-15 or 3-24, which is entirely possible, I think Kraft’s been move is to fire Bb as the GM but keep him as the coach. He has trouble picking players, but is good if he has good players. Coaching is his wheelhouse, GM is not. I do not know if BB would be willing to go for that |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 4, 2023 16:34:27 GMT -5
Jack Jones could be that type of player, the skill is there. He's not currently a blue chipper though. He gambles a little too much, at same time he could make plays. Kinda reminds me of Ty Law, it's up to him to reach that level though and I'm certainly worried he never does. The worry is why he was seen as a 6th/7th round pick, it wasn't his talent level, it's Jack Jones the person. Can I ask how Jack Jones reminds you of Ty Law? Ty Law was a physical corner, Jack Jones is the opposite of physical.. 5'11" man cover CB that can make unreal plays on the ball. Rules changes, no one can play physical like people did back then and frankly I don't remember Ty Law being a crazy physical player. I remember man cover corner with great ball skills, I was like 12 his rookie year. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 4, 2023 16:39:30 GMT -5
You had to bring in some players at CB, JC Jackson at 1.5 million and swapping late round picks is like signing a veteran off the street. I'm excited I loved the guy. Also his numbers this year aren't bad like last year, QB rating of 72, low completion percentage, one interception and TD allowed in two games.
Wouldn't be the first time a guy left, sucked and came back to play well here.
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Post by dcb26 on Oct 4, 2023 18:33:32 GMT -5
Can I ask how Jack Jones reminds you of Ty Law? Ty Law was a physical corner, Jack Jones is the opposite of physical.. 5'11" man cover CB that can make unreal plays on the ball. Rules changes, no one can play physical like people did back then and frankly I don't remember Ty Law being a crazy physical player. I remember man cover corner with great ball skills, I was like 12 his rookie year. They literally changed that rule because of Ty Law and how physical he was with receivers Jackson is a surprisingly good pickup given the situation they are in - almost 0 cost and reason for optimism due to his previous success in the system. I can't imagine getting another player with the upside of having the ability to hold the pass defense together (even if it is somewhat unlikely for Jackson) without giving up a small fortune. |
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Post by rasimon on Oct 4, 2023 20:21:45 GMT -5
I'm seeing some conflicting information on this trade. A few sources have the cost being that the Patriots will give their sixth and seventh round picks in return for the Chargers sixth round and seventh round picks, while some other sources have the Patriots giving up their sixth round pick and receiving a seventh round pick back from the Chargers. Either way it seems pretty reasonable.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 4, 2023 21:17:52 GMT -5
5'11" man cover CB that can make unreal plays on the ball. Rules changes, no one can play physical like people did back then and frankly I don't remember Ty Law being a crazy physical player. I remember man cover corner with great ball skills, I was like 12 his rookie year. They literally changed that rule because of Ty Law and how physical he was with receivers Jackson is a surprisingly good pickup given the situation they are in - almost 0 cost and reason for optimism due to his previous success in the system. I can't imagine getting another player with the upside of having the ability to hold the pass defense together (even if it is somewhat unlikely for Jackson) without giving up a small fortune. That's not actually true, they just adjusted and started calling a rule already on the books for decades. After Colts whined after he picked off Payton Manning 3 times, not breaking even the current rules. I say what I did because the whole D was physical. Rams game year before the Colts was the whole D being physical and messing up the whole Rams offense , not just Ty Law. If was a different time and a different brand of football. His ball skills were what made him different. Do I misrember the Rams game? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 5, 2023 5:12:19 GMT -5
They literally changed that rule because of Ty Law and how physical he was with receivers Jackson is a surprisingly good pickup given the situation they are in - almost 0 cost and reason for optimism due to his previous success in the system. I can't imagine getting another player with the upside of having the ability to hold the pass defense together (even if it is somewhat unlikely for Jackson) without giving up a small fortune. That's not actually true, they just adjusted and started calling a rule already on the books for decades. After Colts whined after he picked off Payton Manning 3 times, not breaking even the current rules. I say what I did because the whole D was physical. Rams game year before the Colts was the whole D being physical and messing up the whole Rams offense , not just Ty Law. If was a different time and a different brand of football. His ball skills were what made him different. Do I misrember the Rams game? No you aren’t misremembering. That being said; if your comp is they are both 5’11 with ball skills then sure, they compare. Playing style, mentality and almost anything else they aren’t similar. Which is ok, different styles work and Ty Law is one of the best ever. |
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Post by dcb26 on Oct 5, 2023 7:31:14 GMT -5
Ty Law was indeed one of many very physical defenders on that defense.
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Post by mobaz on Oct 5, 2023 10:19:19 GMT -5
I can't watch CJ Stroud in Houston and think that Mac is a victim of circumstances. Similar profiles coming out (not a runner, but can move, not big arms, big timing guys, otherworldly college receivers made eval hard, drafted as maybe good enough but not great). Stroud has no OL, his receivers are no better than ours, his run game is similar, he's under a new coordinator/regime, and he's balling.
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Post by mobaz on Oct 5, 2023 10:21:12 GMT -5
Ty Law was indeed one of many very physical defenders on that defense. Off topic, but it's hilarious to go back and watch the Superbowl XXXVI win against the Greatest Show On Turf and see what a different game it was. I don't mind it, and I don't think playing football should be a death sentence so yay safety, but the game was so different. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 5, 2023 14:20:39 GMT -5
I can't watch CJ Stroud in Houston and think that Mac is a victim of circumstances. Similar profiles coming out (not a runner, but can move, not big arms, big timing guys, otherworldly college receivers made eval hard, drafted as maybe good enough but not great). Stroud has no OL, his receivers are no better than ours, his run game is similar, he's under a new coordinator/regime, and he's balling. He was also a better prospect than Mac (and I’d definitely take Nico Collins and possibly Tank Dell over every receiver the pats have at this point) I would definitely take his offensive line. It’s not a juggernaut but compared to the pats it might be. I don’t think people understand- we have the worst line in the sport. It’s not merely a bad line. When your QB is pressured on more than half of the drop backs there are very few QB’s alive who will play well. They also can’t run-block. So what happen when you can’t run the football, you struggle with pass blocking, and your receivers get zero separation (1.6 yards vs the league average of 2.5 last week). Well….you get really bad QB and we saw that on Sunday. I don’t think it would’ve been any different if the Pats had Stroud. Mac wasn’t a first overall pick. They picked him at 15. You don’t get perfect qb prospects at 15. He does some things well and he is lacking in other areas. He’s not going to overcome having a league worst line and league worst weapons. If he was good enough to do that he wouldn’t be a Patriot right now. He’d be a Jaguar or a Bear. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 6, 2023 10:17:27 GMT -5
Claypool to the dolphins - sorry UMASS
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 6, 2023 10:54:55 GMT -5
Don't feel bad for me, it's Mac Jones who misses out on a guy with a crazy amount of athletic ability. Who cares though they won't even play Douglas.
BTW the pre-draft crap about Fields locking into WRs and not being able to scan the entire field was right on. Amazing watching those two QBs, one spreads it around to the open guy like crazy, the other basically only sees two options entire game.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 7, 2023 16:15:20 GMT -5
Reiff the only player activated. Gonzalez to IR.
Edit - Pharms also elevated again.
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Post by cdj on Oct 8, 2023 11:36:35 GMT -5
Jonathan Jones and JC Jackson are active
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Oct 8, 2023 11:56:45 GMT -5
Bills lose players to injury & the game. Now 3-2 and hardly invincible.
LFG!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 8, 2023 12:30:13 GMT -5
Mac rapidly playing himself off the team
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 8, 2023 12:30:36 GMT -5
Mac Jones or Tom Brady? I think it's close.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 8, 2023 12:34:22 GMT -5
Pop Douglas with the big play. So expect them not to go back to him.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 8, 2023 12:42:11 GMT -5
This team has reached clown show status.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Oct 8, 2023 12:42:48 GMT -5
The buffalo & Jacksonville game was a highlight film for the officials. That was the whole game. This is looking the same. The championship game should be the Super officiating Bowl.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 8, 2023 12:49:25 GMT -5
This shit is sad right now.
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Post by jmei on Oct 8, 2023 12:51:55 GMT -5
Maybe it wasn’t Matt Patricia. Maybe Mac just sucks.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 8, 2023 12:52:14 GMT -5
Incredible this team has managed to get worse from last year. That was unexpected.
They looked promising in their first two losses. Now they just look like garbage. Would anyone feel comfortable betting on them beating the Giants?
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