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Post by cdj on Oct 4, 2023 8:18:44 GMT -5
I honestly thought Mac and his arm looked fine to even good the first 3 weeks. Last week was the worst game of his career and because of that people have taken the liberty to say he has been awful all season. I do not think that’s remotely true.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 4, 2023 8:48:40 GMT -5
Patriots are trading for JC Jackson hahahahaha.
He was a healthy scratch.
Taking on the contract.
Awful. Fire Bill.
Edit: They're paying 1/12 or 1/9 on the contract. So not nearly as awful as initially thought. He's still terrible.
Likely Jack Jones and Christian Gonzalez are out for a long time.
Not sure how that impacts his speeding ticket he refused to pay.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 4, 2023 8:50:18 GMT -5
When arguing about the poor GM job Bill has done. I was literally going to mention how Bill made a great move by not signing him. I was literally going to write that as, "in fairness to Bill".
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 4, 2023 9:17:56 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2023 9:35:21 GMT -5
Given the financial and asset commitment (late rd pick swap), I'm fine with this. They just needed bodies.
I'd also remind folks that defenses are different. There are a LOT of players out there that you can't just pick up and move to another team (and scheme) and expect the same results.
So did he just forget how to play? Doubt it. Start feeling all comfortable (and complacent) after getting paid? Wouldn't be the first. A bad fit there but fine here? We'll see.
EDIT - Patriots will be paying him 1.5 after the majority of his salary was turned into a signing bonus.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2023 9:36:32 GMT -5
Oh and btw, Gonzo is out for the season, per Gueregian.
EDIT - I guess Rap Sheet was first (as if properly assigning the credit matters here)
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2023 9:39:55 GMT -5
Also, reports coming in that Tyquan Thornton is expected to be back at practice today (opening his window for activation). Optimism he could be active for the Saints game.
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Post by rasimon on Oct 4, 2023 9:50:36 GMT -5
Given the financial and asset commitment (late rd pick swap), I'm fine with this. They just needed bodies. I'd also remind folks that defenses are different. There are a LOT of players out there that you can't just pick up and move to another team (and scheme) and expect the same results. So did he just forget how to play? Doubt it. Start feeling all comfortable (and complacent) after getting paid? Wouldn't be the first. A bad fit there but fine here? We'll see. EDIT - Patriots will be paying him 1.5 after the majority of his salary was turned into a signing bonus. Injuries probably played a large part in his sucky play for LAC. He had ankle surgery in Aug 2022, came back and was atrociously bad. In week 7 (2022) he ruptured his patella tendon. This year he has been poor to bad. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2023 10:09:35 GMT -5
Randy Gregory getting released by Denver.
Maybe Garrett Boles and Jerry Jeudy will be next??? We could just fill all of our holes with former AFC West guys.
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Post by badfishnbc on Oct 4, 2023 10:11:44 GMT -5
Randy Gregory getting released by Denver. Maybe Garrett Boles and Jerry Jeudy will be next??? We could just fill all of our holes with former AFC West guys. Gregory is worth a flyer on the minimum, to see if he could help fill the Judon hole. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2023 10:20:45 GMT -5
I actually think the Patriots would be better served using picks and/or space (picks wouldn't be an issue with Gregory) on other positions as I think their pass rush can still be good enough (and they obviously have more glaring weaknesses on the OL and among the WRs).
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2023 10:34:26 GMT -5
Per Miguel and Spotrac, Jackson's hit will be 1,555,555 this year and over 14M for each of the next 3 (but no dead cap should they move on).
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Post by rasimon on Oct 4, 2023 10:45:37 GMT -5
Per Miguel and Spotrac, Jackson's hit will be 1,555,555 this year and over 14M for each of the next 3 (but no dead cap should they move on). Ok. 1.5MM + 6/7 pick swap sounds reasonable to see if he can get healthy again (Im assuming that is the problem). Probably decline him next year. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2023 10:47:34 GMT -5
Per Miguel and Spotrac, Jackson's hit will be 1,555,555 this year and over 14M for each of the next 3 (but no dead cap should they move on). Ok. 1.5MM + 6/7 pick swap sounds reasonable to see if he can get healthy again (Im assuming that is the problem). Probably decline him next year. If not re-worked prior to March. Otherwise, I agree. VERY little chance he's on the books for 14+ next season. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 4, 2023 10:54:27 GMT -5
Ok. 1.5MM + 6/7 pick swap sounds reasonable to see if he can get healthy again (Im assuming that is the problem). Probably decline him next year. If not re-worked prior to March. Otherwise, I agree. VERY little chance he's on the books for 14+ next season. Very little as in zero 😏 |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 4, 2023 10:55:37 GMT -5
This is fine if he's coming in to compete with Myles Bryant.
This is not a good move if he's brought in to fill in for Jack or Jonathan Jones for an extended period of time. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle, but right now he's burnt toast and a waste of 1.5 million (which is rather insignificant).
I guess we'll have to wait and see on both of them to evaluate.
Also the assumption they don't do anything else. Unfortunately, if they want to compete now they need to get the guys now to learn and integrate into the system besides the fact they need the talent immediately.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 4, 2023 10:57:13 GMT -5
Jack Jones could be that type of player, the skill is there. He's not currently a blue chipper though. He gambles a little too much, at same time he could make plays. Kinda reminds me of Ty Law, it's up to him to reach that level though and I'm certainly worried he never does. The worry is why he was seen as a 6th/7th round pick, it wasn't his talent level, it's Jack Jones the person. Can I ask how Jack Jones reminds you of Ty Law? Ty Law was a physical corner, Jack Jones is the opposite of physical.. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 4, 2023 11:09:34 GMT -5
There’s literally zero downside to the JC Jackson pick up, they got a body they desperately needed and he just so happens to have thrived in the system before. He’s also cheap.
So either he is good and we have a good CB or he is bad and he’s a stopgap for the rest of the year (and helps us tank)
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2023 11:27:54 GMT -5
If not re-worked prior to March. Otherwise, I agree. VERY little chance he's on the books for 14+ next season. Very little as in zero 😏 I loathe absolutes but . . . yeah. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 4, 2023 11:28:24 GMT -5
There’s literally zero downside to the JC Jackson pick up, they got a body they desperately needed and he just so happens to have thrived in the system before. He’s also cheap. So either he is good and we have a good CB or he is bad and he’s a stopgap for the rest of the year (and helps us tank) I do push back on "zero risk". Like with Kluber. Low cost is great, but if he finds his way onto the field and is giving up long receptions and/or touchdowns that's a very real risk they lose that game as a result. So, if he's required to play, he better be serviceable enough. The argument would be, "well it's either him or Myles Bryant" which I would argue JC Jackson can't possibly be the only CB on the market and if JC is getting scorched I'd rather fail with Bryant and hope there's some development curve. Edit: Maybe not much since he's 25. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 4, 2023 11:59:29 GMT -5
I loathe absolutes but . . . yeah. Most of us married men do - nothing but trouble when I use one in an argument with the wife 😂 |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 4, 2023 12:00:29 GMT -5
There’s literally zero downside to the JC Jackson pick up, they got a body they desperately needed and he just so happens to have thrived in the system before. He’s also cheap. So either he is good and we have a good CB or he is bad and he’s a stopgap for the rest of the year (and helps us tank) I do push back on "zero risk". Like with Kluber. Low cost is great, but if he finds his way onto the field and is giving up long receptions and/or touchdowns that's a very real risk they lose that game as a result. So, if he's required to play, he better be serviceable enough. The argument would be, "well it's either him or Myles Bryant" which I would argue JC Jackson can't possibly be the only CB on the market and if JC is getting scorched I'd rather fail with Bryant and hope there's some development curve. Edit: Maybe not much since he's 25. It’s not JC or Bryant - it’s him or Wade or Speed. I’d say the risk is he helps you win a game 😂 |
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Post by cdj on Oct 4, 2023 12:06:18 GMT -5
There’s literally zero downside to the JC Jackson pick up, they got a body they desperately needed and he just so happens to have thrived in the system before. He’s also cheap. So either he is good and we have a good CB or he is bad and he’s a stopgap for the rest of the year (and helps us tank) I do push back on "zero risk". Like with Kluber. Low cost is great, but if he finds his way onto the field and is giving up long receptions and/or touchdowns that's a very real risk they lose that game as a result. So, if he's required to play, he better be serviceable enough. The argument would be, "well it's either him or Myles Bryant" which I would argue JC Jackson can't possibly be the only CB on the market and if JC is getting scorched I'd rather fail with Bryant and hope there's some development curve. Edit: Maybe not much since he's 25. If he sucks then he helps us secure an even better pick! Can’t lose! |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 4, 2023 12:16:40 GMT -5
I do push back on "zero risk". Like with Kluber. Low cost is great, but if he finds his way onto the field and is giving up long receptions and/or touchdowns that's a very real risk they lose that game as a result. So, if he's required to play, he better be serviceable enough. The argument would be, "well it's either him or Myles Bryant" which I would argue JC Jackson can't possibly be the only CB on the market and if JC is getting scorched I'd rather fail with Bryant and hope there's some development curve. Edit: Maybe not much since he's 25. If he sucks then he helps us secure an even better pick! Can’t lose! Fair enough! |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2023 12:22:12 GMT -5
So actually, Reiff, Cody Davis and Trey Flowers are practicing today. No on Jack Jones and Thornton (the latter of which is surprising given the recent reporting on TT).
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