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Patriots 2023 Season Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2023 3:30:45 GMT -5
Brown and Sow concussions out of practice, Andrews out hamstring, omg.
Ian Book signed to practice squad, he's a good fit system wise.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 14, 2023 9:15:04 GMT -5
Some bad JuJu going around the rumor mill. I was all for replacing Jakobi with JuJu; I thought JJSS had a 1B upside that Myers doesn't. I'll take the L there. As does the team apparently. Maybe one of Pop/Boutte can emerge as something more than contributors.
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Post by rasimon on Sept 14, 2023 9:23:38 GMT -5
Brown and Sow concussions out of practice, Andrews out hamstring, omg. Ian Book signed to practice squad, he's a good fit system wise. Book seems a bit light for a tackle |
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Post by cdj on Sept 14, 2023 10:00:12 GMT -5
Jakobi also got absolutely smoked and is in concussion protocol
Interestingly enough I believe he was on the outside when he scored his TD’s. Good for him, but it was more of the same for him outside of that. He runs great routes and has good hands but he gets you absolutely nothing after the catch. He should have a good year opposite of Davante- he’s just a nice target to have on 3rd downs
I too was fine with replacing him with Juju because they had plenty of slot options and Juju can actually do something after the catch. It doesn’t appear to be working out, whether that’s because he is having trouble adjusting to the system or because of his knee
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2023 13:03:11 GMT -5
It's like people don't understand, last game was about getting the ball out quickly. Having WR make moves after the catch, not waiting for them to get open down the field. JuJu is a better fit for that offense, as is Douglas and Boutte, along with Bourne. Yac guys, which Meyers isn't.
It was game one and Mac Jones leaned on guys he knew like Henry and Bourne, give it some time. I expected Gesecki to be huge, he like JuJu hardly played. Even if JuJu sucks, Douglas and Boutte are better fits for the type of offense Mac Jones needs to run.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2023 13:11:23 GMT -5
Brown and Sow concussions out of practice, Andrews out hamstring, omg. Ian Book signed to practice squad, he's a good fit system wise. Book seems a bit light for a tackle He's a QB, which I'm sure you knew. You aren't signing any OT that will help us to practice squad right now. Maybe a developmental guy, but we already made trades for two players like that. If they truly believe Zappe isn't a good fit for the offense, Book is an interesting player. I literally watched almost every game he played in. Biggest negative is he doesn't have a rocket. He's a mobile QB that can make plays with his legs, very smart and thrives in the short to intermediate area of the field. He's no Cunningham, but he's light years better than Jones and Zappe making plays with his legs. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Sept 14, 2023 16:02:11 GMT -5
Brown and Sow concussions out of practice, Andrews out hamstring, omg. Ian Book signed to practice squad, he's a good fit system wise. Of the 8+ million mock drafts I did in 2001, I drafted Book in about 1.3 million of them. So I'm happy to learn if he has anything to offer. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 14, 2023 18:18:05 GMT -5
It's like people don't understand, last game was about getting the ball out quickly. Having WR make moves after the catch, not waiting for them to get open down the field. JuJu is a better fit for that offense, as is Douglas and Boutte, along with Bourne. Yac guys, which Meyers isn't. It was game one and Mac Jones leaned on guys he knew like Henry and Bourne, give it some time. I expected Gesecki to be huge, he like JuJu hardly played. Even if JuJu sucks, Douglas and Boutte are better fits for the type of offense Mac Jones needs to run. That's great in theory, but if JuJu isn't catching balls and not playing all that much all that stuff goes right out the window. KC didn't like what they saw in his knee. The Patriots were fine with it. Time will tell who was right, but week 1 was a fail for JuJu. He still has 16 more opportunities. Patriots could have really used a catch and fall down guy on their last drive where Boutte stepped out. JuJu was also forgettable without AB/Kelce/Mahomes. Even with a healthy knee, are we so certain his skills will transfer to this offense? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 15, 2023 10:40:14 GMT -5
It's like people don't understand, last game was about getting the ball out quickly. Having WR make moves after the catch, not waiting for them to get open down the field. JuJu is a better fit for that offense, as is Douglas and Boutte, along with Bourne. Yac guys, which Meyers isn't. It was game one and Mac Jones leaned on guys he knew like Henry and Bourne, give it some time. I expected Gesecki to be huge, he like JuJu hardly played. Even if JuJu sucks, Douglas and Boutte are better fits for the type of offense Mac Jones needs to run. That's great in theory, but if JuJu isn't catching balls and not playing all that much all that stuff goes right out the window. KC didn't like what they saw in his knee. The Patriots were fine with it. Time will tell who was right, but week 1 was a fail for JuJu. He still has 16 more opportunities. Patriots could have really used a catch and fall down guy on their last drive where Boutte stepped out. JuJu was also forgettable without AB/Kelce/Mahomes. Even with a healthy knee, are we so certain his skills will transfer to this offense? In four years of watching Meyers how many double toe tap sideline catches did Meyers make? He's a possession receiver that was great at finding holes in zone coverage. I can't ever remember Meyers being able to get that open on a route like that. I don't really care, if Douglas and Boutte outplay him, that's a win in my book. The issue is you can't play so many similar players, Meyers comes back he takes away from Bourne. Give the players some time, look at Parker last year, it took some games to form Chemistry. One game didn't mean bust. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 15, 2023 10:41:46 GMT -5
I'll add per Patriots beat writers Boutte made a ton of impressive toe tap sideline catches all camp long. Which is why he was out there.
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Post by rjw on Sept 15, 2023 13:18:45 GMT -5
Time for some Jakobi love. Yeah, he was not fast and did not get much separation or much YAC, but the guy was the most dependable target they had the past 3 years. Made all the tough catches over the middle too. Despite all the warts, I would rather have him instead of JuJu. JuJu has 16 more games to prove he is not just another Agholor, we will see.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 15, 2023 15:46:56 GMT -5
That's great in theory, but if JuJu isn't catching balls and not playing all that much all that stuff goes right out the window. KC didn't like what they saw in his knee. The Patriots were fine with it. Time will tell who was right, but week 1 was a fail for JuJu. He still has 16 more opportunities. Patriots could have really used a catch and fall down guy on their last drive where Boutte stepped out. JuJu was also forgettable without AB/Kelce/Mahomes. Even with a healthy knee, are we so certain his skills will transfer to this offense? In four years of watching Meyers how many double toe tap sideline catches did Meyers make? He's a possession receiver that was great at finding holes in zone coverage. I can't ever remember Meyers being able to get that open on a route like that. I don't really care, if Douglas and Boutte outplay him, that's a win in my book. The issue is you can't play so many similar players, Meyers comes back he takes away from Bourne. Give the players some time, look at Parker last year, it took some games to form Chemistry. One game didn't mean bust. Maybe a bad example on that one, but I think he'd find an opening. Boutte was in because Parker was out, another poor signing. Douglas and Boutte earning a spot is a win as far as identifying talent late in the draft. You don't really want to see your 26 year old free agent signing slide to 5th on the depth chart in year 1 of his deal. I don't see Meyers taking away from Bourne. Meyers was mostly a slot guy here. Bourne can do but. I also don't really care who gets the football as long as someone is open. JuJu isn't a bust after week 1, but if we're grading the signing after just 1 week it would be a poor one. If he explodes in weeks 2 and 3 then Bill will look like he hit a home run, at that time. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 15, 2023 18:14:22 GMT -5
Meyers isn’t playing this weekend due to getting smoked
Speaking of people who may not play…Jon Jones. That would be a major issue.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 15, 2023 19:19:07 GMT -5
Meyers isn’t playing this weekend due to getting smoked Speaking of people who may not play…Jon Jones. That would be a major issue. Unfortunately, anyone can get a concussion at any time. I don't recall him having issues with that. Brain injuries are the worst. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 16, 2023 8:19:51 GMT -5
Random question, but the Patriots drafts feel much better lately. Did they have any recent changes to scouting? I just googled Patriots head college scout and got a LinkedIn profile for Camren Williams who has been with the org for 7 years, but his position of director of college scouting is 1 year and 6 months. I'm curious if there's a correlation. I know typically the responsibility falls on Bill, but the last two drafts have been decent.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 16, 2023 8:53:23 GMT -5
Random question, but the Patriots drafts feel much better lately. Did they have any recent changes to scouting? I just googled Patriots head college scout and got a LinkedIn profile for Camren Williams who has been with the org for 7 years, but his position of director of college scouting is 1 year and 6 months. I'm curious if there's a correlation. I know typically the responsibility falls on Bill, but the last two drafts have been decent. |
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 16, 2023 14:29:07 GMT -5
Random question, but the Patriots drafts feel much better lately. Did they have any recent changes to scouting? I just googled Patriots head college scout and got a LinkedIn profile for Camren Williams who has been with the org for 7 years, but his position of director of college scouting is 1 year and 6 months. I'm curious if there's a correlation. I know typically the responsibility falls on Bill, but the last two drafts have been decent. I don't know how involved each role is, but that seems more macro in that he has to have oversight over both college and pro players at all times. It just feels like there's been a change somewhere, but maybe the change was just Bill being told to listen to his scouts and not his college buddies or maybe nothing changed and he's been luckier. The main point is I wanted to give credit Where credit was due if there was a personnel change that has led to better drafts. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 16, 2023 15:47:49 GMT -5
I don't know how involved each role is, but that seems more macro in that he has to have oversight over both college and pro players at all times. It just feels like there's been a change somewhere, but maybe the change was just Bill being told to listen to his scouts and not his college buddies or maybe nothing changed and he's been luckier. The main point is I wanted to give credit Where credit was due if there was a personnel change that has led to better drafts. He's the top guy for draft and the last two are his drafts. Yeah Bills his boss and has some say, Matt Groh is the difference and like you said you see it. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 16, 2023 16:02:30 GMT -5
Munson and Reagor elevated. No OL would suggest at least 1 of Strange and/or Onwenu could be ready.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 17, 2023 1:27:43 GMT -5
Shedeur is UNREAL. What a leader and quarterback.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2023 11:26:00 GMT -5
Yeah I was highly impressed with him poking a defensive lineman in the face, that might be the hardest team to cheer for in a long time.
Give me some true professional Sam Hartman all day long.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 17, 2023 11:55:58 GMT -5
Yeah I was highly impressed with him poking a defensive lineman in the face, that might be the hardest team to cheer for in a long time. Give me some true professional Sam Hartman all day long. Bad take bro. The resilience of Colorado in the face of countless cheap shots and unfair play was wild. Hartman can’t hold a candle to Sanders as an NFL prospect. The Athletic has Hartman ranked as the 11th best quarterback prospect in the upcoming draft. Amongst seniors. Sam Hartman isn’t a true professional because he might be selling health insurance in three years. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2023 12:21:28 GMT -5
Yeah I was highly impressed with him poking a defensive lineman in the face, that might be the hardest team to cheer for in a long time. Give me some true professional Sam Hartman all day long. Bad take bro. The resilience of Colorado in the face of countless cheap shots and unfair play was wild. Hartman can’t hold a candle to Sanders as an NFL prospect. The Athletic has Hartman ranked as the 11th best quarterback prospect in the upcoming draft. Amongst seniors. Sam Hartman isn’t a true professional because he might be selling health insurance in three years. Lol it was Colorado state, they should have moped the floor with them. Everything that happens to that team is disrespect or unfair, other team meeting before stretching in middle of field is disrespect lol. A hard hit on sidelines, with no head to head action is a cheap shot. It's all drama that they create, while Sanders is poking guys in the face, he should have been ejected for that! We'll see with Hartman, he's mobile and throws one of the most easy to catch deep balls I've seen at Notre Dame in a long-time. With a WR core that's young, raw and nobody on NFL radar. Next week will tell me a lot more when they play Ohio State. Best part, 100% acts like a pro, zero drama. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 17, 2023 15:07:35 GMT -5
One guy I absolutely wouldn't mind out of Notre Dame is Joe Alt. That dude is a mauler.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 17, 2023 19:22:00 GMT -5
No Jack Jones or Jonathan Jones. Pass rush needs to have a big, big game or else the Miami offense is going to have a good fantasy day.
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