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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 5, 2023 20:43:57 GMT -5
He gives the Sox a right-handed option at the corners and at DH. Maybe some of the spaghetti will stick. It is a need if Turner is not brought back.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Dec 5, 2023 21:09:50 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this first, but uhhhh whoa?
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Post by kwodes on Dec 5, 2023 21:18:13 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this first, but uhhhh whoa? quick look at baseball reference and it looks like Fitts is pretty good
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 5, 2023 21:20:42 GMT -5
Any winter meetings predictions? Last year we signed Jansen and Yoshida (and Martin immediately before). I'll predict that we make a bigger total cash guarantee to one player during these meetings than we did to those three collectively last year and that we make one MLB level trade. If I were to get into specifics the most likely candidates for each of those seem to be Montgomery and Verdugo respectively. Montgomery + Imanaga + low stakes trade for a righty MI that can play SS like Kyle Farmer + Verdugo traded for our new #11 ranked prospect I got one right!
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 5, 2023 21:37:56 GMT -5
My biggest fear now with the Verdugo deal is they turn around and give Bellinger some big overpay. Unless they're completely sold on abreu they most definitely need an OFer now.
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Post by dcsoxfan15 on Dec 5, 2023 21:43:39 GMT -5
My biggest fear now with the Verdugo deal is they turn around and give Bellinger some big overpay. Unless they're completely sold on abreu they most definitely need an OFer now. Seems more likely they'll get a righty backup/platoon outfielder.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 5, 2023 21:46:41 GMT -5
My biggest fear now with the Verdugo deal is they turn around and give Bellinger some big overpay. Unless they're completely sold on abreu they most definitely need an OFer now. Seems more likely they'll get a righty backup/platoon outfielder. I'm not too sold on an OF consisting of yoshida/duran/abreu. Trading Verdugo doesn't really change the ceiling of the OF but the floor is drastically lower now to me. A RHH platoon type OFer makes sense on some level but after this if you ask me they need a starting caliber OFer badly now.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 5, 2023 21:46:53 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Abreu, Duran, Yoshida, Refsnyder, Rafaela as the OF. Just get one of the top minor league free agent OFs as the next guy up
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Dec 5, 2023 21:57:39 GMT -5
Hence the reason there going after Gurriel Jr. now per Morosi , best defensive left fielder / righty bat , genius move by Breslow , salary dump for 3 pitchers who have good upside , Weissert has a nasty delivery
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 5, 2023 21:59:58 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with Abreu, Duran, Yoshida, Refsnyder, Rafaela as the OF. Just get one of the top minor league free agent OFs as the next guy up I personally don't think that's a good enough OF to get this team back into contention but I would say I don't think the ceiling is effected by dealing Verdugo. I do think the floor is fairly lower now though. Verdugo is a solid 2 WAR starting caliber OFer. If that's the plan Abreu and Duran had better be able to replicate and build on last season.
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Post by keninten on Dec 5, 2023 22:19:15 GMT -5
Hence the reason there going after Gurriel Jr. now per Morosi , best defensive left fielder / righty bat , genius move by Breslow , salary dump for 3 pitchers who have good upside , Weissert has a nasty delivery Gurriel does not look good in the OF to my eyes. Maybe the metrics are good.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Dec 5, 2023 22:23:43 GMT -5
He was third in defensive runs saved In left field last year for all of MLB, he’s better out there than Yoshida , lets Yoshida dh most of the time
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 5, 2023 22:29:20 GMT -5
I think I see where Breslow is headed. I was thinking he'd go after Teoscar hernandez to play RF but maybe his plan is an outfield or Gurriel, Duran, and Abreu. Maybe they bring back Duvall as well? Yoshida becomes the DH.
I'm thinking the Sox will sign Montgomery, miss out on Yamamoto and will trade either Mayer or Anthony in a deal for Logan Gilbert after Seattle signs Snell.
And Breslow will trade for a 2b, I'm guessing Jonathan India.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 5, 2023 22:30:08 GMT -5
He was third in defensive runs saved In left field last year for all of MLB, he’s better out there than Yoshida , lets Yoshida dh most of the time Depends what their plans are, I'm on board with having Yoshida DH the bulk of the time but so far that hasn't sounded like their plan. I don't want to see gurriel playing RF in fenway.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 5, 2023 22:37:28 GMT -5
Gurriel is fine I guess if they think he can play right okay. I’d probably rather bring Duvall back for what I think each will get, but I doubt Gurriel will get anything too upsetting.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 5, 2023 22:39:09 GMT -5
If they're sold on abreu and Duran being the answer for CF/RF and decide they don't need anything for OF other than a Duvall type they theoretically could certainly fit both Yamamoto and Montgomery into their payroll and not be over the 1st LT penalty threshold. Wouldn't give them much room to add elsewhere though.
Likelihood of them pulling off the Yamamoto/Montgomery combo is probably slim to none but I also wouldn't have guessed the rangers would have been able to get both semien and seager a few years ago so who knows?
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 5, 2023 22:41:46 GMT -5
Abreu will be in RF
I’m still convinced at least 2 of Pivetta, Duran, and Houck get traDd
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 5, 2023 22:42:42 GMT -5
Gurriel is fine I guess if they think he can play right okay. I’d probably rather bring Duvall back for what I think each will get, but I doubt Gurriel will get anything too upsetting. Gurriel has only ever played LF in his MLB career so I don't know how much an option to play RF he would be.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Dec 5, 2023 22:44:22 GMT -5
Abreu in RF, Raffaela or Duran in CF, whoever doesn’t get traded and Gurriel in LF, allows Yoshida to DH
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 5, 2023 22:45:21 GMT -5
Gurriel is fine I guess if they think he can play right okay. I’d probably rather bring Duvall back for what I think each will get, but I doubt Gurriel will get anything too upsetting. Why not both. Play Duval in RF where I trust his defense. If Duran can harness his speed and play smart vs reckless, this is a strong defensive OF. Rafaela for defense and Abreu to spell the corner guys. Provides 2 RH bats which allows the 2B upgrade to hit either right or left. Could work !
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 5, 2023 22:49:43 GMT -5
Gurriel is fine I guess if they think he can play right okay. I’d probably rather bring Duvall back for what I think each will get, but I doubt Gurriel will get anything too upsetting. Why not both. Play Duval in RF where I trust his defense. If Duran can harness his speed and play smart vs reckless, this is a strong defensive OF. Rafaela for defense and Abreu to spell the corner guys. Provides 2 RH bats which allows the 2B upgrade to hit either right or left. Could work ! I dont see them signing Duvall and Gurriel as that'd cost roughly 25M AAV for the two of them. Feel like they have that money earmarked elsewhere. Presumably starting pitching.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Dec 5, 2023 22:53:13 GMT -5
Gurriel is projected at 3/45 so 15 per year
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 5, 2023 23:55:58 GMT -5
RF Gurriel 4/$60M CF Duran LF Yoshida 1B Casas 2B Drury 1/$9M [Trade for Paulino] 3B Devers SS Story DH Turner 1/$18M
BN McGuire BN Refsnyder BN Reyes BN Abreu
SP Yammomoto 12/$300M SP Gilbert [Trade for Rafaela, Romero, Yorke, Crawford, Meidroth] SP Bello SP Sale SP Lugo 2/$32M
RP Pivetta RP Houck RP Whitlock RP Martin RP Jansen RP Bernadino RP Schrieber RP Winchowski
~$30M over lux tax
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Post by beasleyrockah on Dec 6, 2023 0:01:54 GMT -5
Tyler O'Neill is being shopped aggressively and seems like a great fit now given salary and expected trade cost. I don't expect them to now land a rental OF like O'Neill, but it'd be a nice series of moves to flip Verdugo for pitching and then land O'Neill (RH bat) for position player prospects at a lower overall cost. I'd rather add a stopgap option for now given the presence of Duran, Abreu, Rafaela, and Anthony than lock in a mid-tier FA for more than two seasons. O'Neill has durability concerns but he should be motivated in a contract year plus he offers some legit upside if he stays healthy and approaches his 2021 form.
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Post by asm19 on Dec 6, 2023 0:13:07 GMT -5
Gurriel is fine I guess if they think he can play right okay. I’d probably rather bring Duvall back for what I think each will get, but I doubt Gurriel will get anything too upsetting. Gurriel has only ever played LF in his MLB career so I don't know how much an option to play RF he would be. He’s also played some 1B (as well as SS like a looong time ago). They seem set to unleash Casas as full every day 1B - but I suppose if they want to rotate guys at DH or hedge against a Casas injury, Gurriel has that going for him as well (as does Duvall.)
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