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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2023 18:46:05 GMT -5
RSP on Twitter has us $47 below the tax now, with two SP and a MI left to go get. Could make a splash with the pitching and still end up under the tax pretty easily I think. Drury is the most expensive MI whose name is out there, at $8.5 million
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Post by asm19 on Dec 8, 2023 21:29:15 GMT -5
Per Chris Cotillo of MassLive: www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/12/why-the-red-sox-traded-for-tyler-oneill-and-what-it-means-for-outfield.html“The O’Neill trade moves the Red Sox closer to a complete picture in terms of position players. The club believes an outfield group of Abreu, Duran, O’Neill, Rafaela, Refsnyder and Yoshida is plenty capable, albeit somewhat inexperienced. They are now less likely to pursue a big right-handed outfield bat (like Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Teoscar Hernández or Jorge Soler on the free agent market) but could still try to add a righty who can DH while mixing in at first base (with second base another hole to fill).” Possible fits for a righty who can DH/play a little 1B would seem to include Rhys Hoskins, Carlos Santana, possibly Adam Duvall, CJ Cron, and a certain red-headed bearded man who has been seen out and about the city of Boston since the season ended.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2023 21:31:44 GMT -5
Per Chris Cotillo of MassLive: www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/12/why-the-red-sox-traded-for-tyler-oneill-and-what-it-means-for-outfield.html“The O’Neill trade moves the Red Sox closer to a complete picture in terms of position players. The club believes an outfield group of Abreu, Duran, O’Neill, Rafaela, Refsnyder and Yoshida is plenty capable, albeit somewhat inexperienced. They are now less likely to pursue a big right-handed outfield bat (like Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Teoscar Hernández or Jorge Soler on the free agent market) but could still try to add a righty who can DH while mixing in at first base (with second base another hole to fill).” Possible fits for a righty who can DH/play a little 1B would seem to include Rhys Hoskins, Carlos Santana, possibly Adam Duvall, CJ Cron, and a certain red-headed bearded man who has been seen out and about the city of Boston since the season ended. Ie more money for pitching
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 8, 2023 21:34:08 GMT -5
Hoskins on a 1 year deal sounds pretty appealing to me as the RHH DH/1st base option.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 8, 2023 21:40:32 GMT -5
I don't think I see a spot for a righty 1B/DH on the roster. Maybe they're just doing Turner a solid by pretending to be really interested in bringing him back.
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Post by asm19 on Dec 8, 2023 21:53:46 GMT -5
Hoskins on a 1 year deal sounds pretty appealing to me as the RHH DH/1st base option. He’s a Boras guy, right? Wonder if he tries to get Hoskins a pillow contract/opt-out in the vein that Conforto got. I remember back when the season had just ended it was an open question of whether Turner could parlay his great season into a multi-year deal. Now that there’s been some emotional distance, the fact that he’s 39 is more striking and it’s hard to imagine that happening. If the Sox brought him back on a basically the same deal from last year with the clear-eyes knowledge that his role might evolve (DH to bench bat?) if age catches up or guys like Rafaela/Abreu/Anthony pop, I could vibe with that
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Post by rico6 on Dec 8, 2023 21:54:19 GMT -5
I don't think I see a spot for a righty 1B/DH on the roster. Maybe they're just doing Turner a solid by pretending to be really interested in bringing him back. I think Refsnyder goes since there are plenty of OFs and no backup 1B (Reyes can play OF if they really need a 5th one). I think they really need to add a Turner type hitter.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 8, 2023 21:58:31 GMT -5
I have to imagine Hoskins is going to want to go somewhere where he can be an everyday 1B. Bringing Turner back makes the most sense to me.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2023 22:09:06 GMT -5
I don't think I see a spot for a righty 1B/DH on the roster. Maybe they're just doing Turner a solid by pretending to be really interested in bringing him back. I think Refsnyder goes since there are plenty of OFs and no backup 1B (Reyes can play OF if they really need a 5th one). I think they really need to add a Turner type hitter. I think they really value Turner's clubhouse presence and consistent bat. He is up there in age and decline could easily settle in but he has been an automatic reliable performer for years who is truly a professional hitter. They already have 2 low average strikeout prone sluggers who have a lot of expectation questions in Story a find Tyler. Turner would balance that profile with his different type of profile. I didnt think hed be back but now I can see a scenario where Turner returns. Seems like hes not anxious to leave Boston and I think he has the respect of the organization. To his credit I think Bloom understood the intangible assets Turner brings and as an ex major league I'm sure Breslow does too. I think they just needed to complete the puzzle more to see where they land and if they can agree on the money but now I'm starting to think its plausible Turner returns. I'm sure Cora would approve. Duran cf Turner dh Devers 3b O'Neill rf Casas 1b Story ss Yoshida lf India? 2b Wong/Maldonado c Not advocating for India just cant shake the feeling the Reds will dump him given their young infielders and Candelario signing and most options are meh although I'd prefer Polanco. I also can see Duran gone as part of a trade to return a young pitcher from Seattle or Miami I'd guess, and I suppose Abreu would get his spot?
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Post by keninten on Dec 8, 2023 22:32:30 GMT -5
I`m not for resigning Turner. I`d rather have Turner back than Hoskins. Hoskins is a 1B only. Turner could play 1B and 3B, maybe 2nd in a pinch but hopefully not again.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Dec 8, 2023 22:54:32 GMT -5
So - looking at the projected 2024 roster currently sitting on this website (certainly not the final version) - here is what is different so far from last season
pitching - starters - 2 proposed yet to be determined acquisitions. relievers - Houck in the pen, new names Mata, Campbell and Slaten. Listed on the Worcester roster - Winck, Walter, Murphy, Kelly and Jacques.
Lineup - 2b listed as acquisition, add O'Neill. Abreu as starting OF. backup C - listed as acquisition.
Key for significant improvement over last year will be the 2 starters we add and Sale's health, and better performance from the bats.
Will it be enough? Looking forward to see what changes and additions come next.
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 9, 2023 10:16:31 GMT -5
Really still think Duran and Houck get traded
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 9, 2023 10:17:51 GMT -5
RSP on Twitter has us $47 below the tax now, with two SP and a MI left to go get. Could make a splash with the pitching and still end up under the tax pretty easily I think. Drury is the most expensive MI whose name is out there, at $8.5 million If they wanted to do a Casas and/or Bello extension it would probably push them over, wouldn't mind if they do that.
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Post by ixnayexxus on Dec 9, 2023 11:55:26 GMT -5
Apparently the Twins have received several inquiries on Kepler and Polanco; with the second base situation being what it is here, I wonder if we're one of the clubs who asked about the latter.
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Post by asm19 on Dec 9, 2023 13:32:04 GMT -5
Apparently the Twins have received several inquiries on Kepler and Polanco; with the second base situation being what it is here, I wonder if we're one of the clubs who asked about the latter. I don’t think I realized how good of a hitter Polanco is. Last year in 80 games he hit 14 homers with a .255/.335/.454 slash line. His 118 wRC+ was ahead of every qualified Red Sox player except Casas, Devers and Duran. Since 2019 he’s had a 117 wRC+. A switch hitter, he’s been better from the left side but is still fine as a righty. He’s defensive metrics aren’t great (OAA has him quite bad, although he had a positive DRS at 2B last year) - but you figure if Yoshida is still going to play a fair amount of games in the OF, Polanco could be someone they shuffle in among the DH conga line? He has a club option for next year - I wonder what the Twins asking price is.
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 10, 2023 17:31:13 GMT -5
Sign Teoscar Hernandez, Sign Montgomery, Trade for Burnes?
Yoshida DH Story SS Devers 3B Hernandez LF Casas 1B O'Neil CF Abreu RF Wong C Take your pick 2B
Burnes SP Montgomery SP Sale SP Bello SP Crawford SP?
Rafaela spells CF and RF a good amount. Houck and Duran assumed to be part of a Burnes Trade?
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Post by cba82 on Dec 10, 2023 17:49:13 GMT -5
“Houck and Duran assumed to be part of a Burnes Trade” — Thank you, no.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 10, 2023 18:28:08 GMT -5
Sign Teoscar Hernandez, Sign Montgomery, Trade for Burnes? Yoshida DH Story SS Devers 3B Hernandez LF Casas 1B O'Neil CF Abreu RF Wong C Take your pick 2B Burnes SP Montgomery SP Sale SP Bello SP Crawford SP? Rafaela spells CF and RF a good amount. Houck and Duran assumed to be part of a Burnes Trade? If they did trade Duran now that they added O’Neill my preferred FA outfielder addition would be Kiermaier. Though Bellinger actually could fit pretty well too.
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 10, 2023 18:29:19 GMT -5
Sign Teoscar Hernandez, Sign Montgomery, Trade for Burnes? Yoshida DH Story SS Devers 3B Hernandez LF Casas 1B O'Neil CF Abreu RF Wong C Take your pick 2B Burnes SP Montgomery SP Sale SP Bello SP Crawford SP? Rafaela spells CF and RF a good amount. Houck and Duran assumed to be part of a Burnes Trade? If they did trade Duran now that they added O’Neill my preferred FA outfielder addition would be Kiermaier. Though Bellinger actually could fit pretty well too. Not that I don’t agree with Bellinger fit wise, but not for the contract he is going to get I still think we are short one right handed power bat in my opinion
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Post by gerry on Dec 10, 2023 19:07:58 GMT -5
We have been, for the most part, surprised and pleased by the Verdugo, Urias, O’Neill trades so far and so early in the off-season. I am now, also surprisingly, willing myself to a zen state of patience.
We do need a big bat and can hope it comes from 2B often discussed here (Adames, etc.) But I have become willing to wait and be surprised again.
We do need a couple of good pitchers. We discuss Yamamoto, Burnes, Montgomery to Giolito and Lugo. Again, am very willing to wait and be surprised, knowing something good will happen, and probably soon.
I am stoked, and also pleasantly surprised, by the pitching development machine Craig has put together and other coaching changes being made.
This bullpen looks to be even more dominant than expected. Another nice surprise.
I just don’t want the Sox to lose our own talented, exciting, fun players like Duran, Rafaella, Houck, Crawford, et al traded for a pitcher when some of the best choices still out there take only $$&.
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Post by nomar on Dec 10, 2023 19:15:08 GMT -5
Even if Bellinger’s contract wasn’t a projected albatross, savant shows that his HR totals would have been drastically diminished at Fenway over the course of his whole career. I don’t want to sign one of the luckiest hitters of 2023 to a park where he projects to regress even further than he already figures to.
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 10, 2023 19:20:27 GMT -5
Even if Bellinger’s contract wasn’t a projected albatross, savant shows that his HR totals would have been drastically diminished at Fenway over the course of his whole career. I don’t want to sign one of the luckiest hitters of 2023 to a park where he projects to regress even further than he already figures to. Agreed and not sure why we would insist on so many lefties in Fenway
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 10, 2023 19:32:31 GMT -5
Even if Bellinger’s contract wasn’t a projected albatross, savant shows that his HR totals would have been drastically diminished at Fenway over the course of his whole career. I don’t want to sign one of the luckiest hitters of 2023 to a park where he projects to regress even further than he already figures to. Eh if you look at his spray chart he loses some home runs but gains a lot of doubles at Fenway. He looks like a decent fit to me. Agreed I have no interest at what the projected contracts are, but if there’s a surprise and he comes in cheaper I wouldn’t mind it.
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Post by chaimtime on Dec 10, 2023 19:51:11 GMT -5
Even if Bellinger’s contract wasn’t a projected albatross, savant shows that his HR totals would have been drastically diminished at Fenway over the course of his whole career. I don’t want to sign one of the luckiest hitters of 2023 to a park where he projects to regress even further than he already figures to. Agreed and not sure why we would insist on so many lefties in Fenway Lefties who can use the opposite field are basically a cheat code in Fenway. Being able to muscle tough pitches into wall ball doubles (which would be outs elsewhere) is huge in L-on-L matchups, and the huge right field means more room for XBH. Fenway is actually the best park in baseball for lefties according to statcast*. Which is part of why I’ve always thought the “Soto/Ohtani make the Sox too lefty-heavy” argument was kinda silly. *see baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-factors?type=year&year=2023&batSide=L&stat=index_wOBA&condition=All&rolling=
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Post by pappyman99 on Dec 10, 2023 20:07:28 GMT -5
Agreed and not sure why we would insist on so many lefties in Fenway Lefties who can use the opposite field are basically a cheat code in Fenway. Being able to muscle tough pitches into wall ball doubles (which would be outs elsewhere) is huge in L-on-L matchups, and the huge right field means more room for XBH. Fenway is actually the best park in baseball for lefties according to statcast*. Which is part of why I’ve always thought the “Soto/Ohtani make the Sox too lefty-heavy” argument was kinda silly. *see baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast-park-factors?type=year&year=2023&batSide=L&stat=index_wOBA&condition=All&rolling=Who actually does this in practice though? Of course Ortiz did a lot. I’d say Devers does But all hitters favor pulling the ball and it’s going to be even more popular with no shift allowed But I’d say there is a reason the Yankees want more lefties, they have a short RF porch It’s optimal for our lineups to at the least be 5-4 right handed vs left handed batters
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