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9/22-9/24 Red Sox vs. White Sox Series Thread
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Post by yuchangclan on Sept 22, 2023 21:48:10 GMT -5
Yoshida can only ground out to 2B at this point and Cora just can’t stop running him out there. At this point into the season? I think he should be playing him everyday so he can work on his swing and attack winter with a plan to fix his issues. He’s not “working” on anything, though. That’s just an old baseball cliche. If Yoshida were a horse, they would have put him down 6 weeks ago. I feel the same way about Verdugo, though. And Story. I guess I need to find a team with a new roster. |
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Post by asm19 on Sept 22, 2023 22:12:09 GMT -5
Sale’s Best K/9 Seasons (since 2012 when he became a starter fulltime):
2018- 13.50
2019- 13.32
2017 - 12.93
2015 - 11.82
2023 - 11.33 - hey now
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 22, 2023 22:40:24 GMT -5
Martin getting a sub-1 ERA remains a huge reason I care. Like Koji. Koji was 1.09 and had a triple digit K/single digit walk total which was even more impressive. I think Martin has about 20 less innings pitched. He should be the closer. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 22, 2023 23:22:38 GMT -5
What a useless win
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Post by gerry on Sept 23, 2023 2:10:37 GMT -5
Doesn’t need to be useful to be worth watching. Good for story, Rafaela, Sale, Dugie, et al. Feels good. Utility is officially for next year. Wait til next year was the Dox anthem till 2004.
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Post by bosoxnation on Sept 23, 2023 4:27:26 GMT -5
1 more win boys and i cash $6500! LFG
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 23, 2023 8:00:32 GMT -5
Xander with 4.2 bWAR. Great to see our legacy SS doing so well.
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Post by costpet on Sept 23, 2023 8:53:41 GMT -5
When you develop future superstars and let them leave over money, you get last place. They deserve it. It all started when they didn’t want to pay Carlton Fisk $100,000.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 23, 2023 9:35:12 GMT -5
When you develop future superstars and let them leave over money, you get last place. They deserve it. It all started when they didn’t want to pay Carlton Fisk $100,000. How are the Mets, Padres and Yankees doing this year? How are the Rays doing? It’s not that simple. |
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Post by nomar on Sept 23, 2023 9:37:26 GMT -5
Wow Rafaela’s defensive metrics are pretty terrible so far
And yes obviously it’s a small sample, but UZR hates him and he’s at -1 DRS in CF.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 23, 2023 9:55:32 GMT -5
Wow Rafaela’s defensive metrics are pretty terrible so far And yes obviously it’s a small sample, but UZR hates him and he’s at -1 DRS in CF. Those metrics aren’t super helpful in such small sample sizes. |
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Post by manfred on Sept 23, 2023 10:10:58 GMT -5
Wow Rafaela’s defensive metrics are pretty terrible so far And yes obviously it’s a small sample, but UZR hates him and he’s at -1 DRS in CF. Those metrics aren’t super helpful in such small sample sizes. I don’t know how they work, but that one gaffe would probably blow up his stats in the short run, no? |
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Post by Yaz-1971 on Sept 23, 2023 10:18:21 GMT -5
When you develop future superstars and let them leave over money, you get last place. They deserve it. It all started when they didn’t want to pay Carlton Fisk $100,000. How are the Mets, Padres and Yankees doing this year? How are the Rays doing? It’s not that simple. Money helps…., but it absolutely does not buy World Series Championship! SanDiego sucks for the amount of money they they spend (I live there). Talk about a GM that needs to be fired. SD will never win a WS until they get a GM who knows what the hell he is doing. I am a 52 year Red Sox fan. I waited 33 years to see my first WS title, and now I have seen 4 in the last 19 years (all under the same ownership group). Money helps, but a farm system to have controllable, inexpensive core of players and then adding FAs gets the job done. I watched a lot of Red Sox teams built differently and they all failed. |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 23, 2023 11:24:16 GMT -5
When you develop future superstars and let them leave over money, you get last place. They deserve it. It all started when they didn’t want to pay Carlton Fisk $100,000. How are the Mets, Padres and Yankees doing this year? How are the Rays doing? It’s not that simple. You need to at least have a backup plan. For the Red Sox their backup plan once Story got hurt was to bring in another oft injured SS that never saw the field. Then claim cast offs. They really had no middle infield to speak of for most the season. They compensated for having a very injury prone rotation by using openers and burning out their bullpen as a result. Yes spending 100s of millions on players doesn't always work but if you have issues like the Sox had they need to spend. At this point we can't sit here and say that they can't afford a 4th or 5th starter because of Chris Sales contract. They spent on Story to most likely replace Xander in the off season. So while Story is cheaper, you more or less get what you pay for. I think all things being equal we'd all rather have Xander. Padres horrendously overpaid but I think you can make a case that Boston did as well. |
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Post by incandenza on Sept 23, 2023 11:34:36 GMT -5
How are the Mets, Padres and Yankees doing this year? How are the Rays doing? Itâs not that simple. . For the Red Sox their backup plan once Story got hurt was to bring in another oft injured SS that never saw the field. Then claim cast offs. They really had no middle infield to speak of for most the season. They compensated for having a very injury prone rotation by using openers and burning out their bullpen as a result. Yes spending 100s of millions on players doesn't always work but if you have issues like the Sox had they need to spend. At this point we can't sit here and say that they can't afford a 4th or 5th starter because of Chris Sales contract. They spent on Story to most likely replace Xander in the off season. So while Story is cheaper, you more or less get what you pay for. I think all things being equal we'd all rather have Xander. Padres horrendously overpaid but I think you can make a case that Boston did as well. They had four backup plans:
1) If Xander leaves, move Story to SS. 2) If Story gets hurt, add Duvall and move Kiké to SS. 3) If Kiké is hurt/ineffective, add Mondesi when he gets over his injury. 4) If Mondesi isn't there, Yu Change can fill in in a pinch.
When plans A, B, C, and D all collapse, the problem isn't that they didn't have sufficient contingency planning.
Now 2B is another matter. I was never happy about going into the season with Arroyo as the full-time starter.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 23, 2023 11:38:38 GMT -5
You need to at least have a backup plan. For the Red Sox their backup plan once Story got hurt was to bring in another oft injured SS that never saw the field. Then claim cast offs. They really had no middle infield to speak of for most the season. They compensated for having a very injury prone rotation by using openers and burning out their bullpen as a result. Yes spending 100s of millions on players doesn't always work but if you have issues like the Sox had they need to spend. At this point we can't sit here and say that they can't afford a 4th or 5th starter because of Chris Sales contract. They spent on Story to most likely replace Xander in the off season. So while Story is cheaper, you more or less get what you pay for. I think all things being equal we'd all rather have Xander. Padres horrendously overpaid but I think you can make a case that Boston did as well. They had four backup plans:
1) If Xander leaves, move Story to SS. 2) If Story gets hurt, add Duvall and move Kiké to SS. 3) If Kiké is hurt/ineffective, add Mondesi when he gets over his injury. 4) If Mondesi isn't there, Yu Change can fill in in a pinch.
When plans A, B, C, and D all collapse, the problem isn't that they didn't have sufficient contingency planning.
Now 2B is another matter. I was never happy about going into the season with Arroyo as the full-time starter.
At the time, Kiké was earmarked for CF. Duvall was probably going to be 4th outfielder and play on days where they threw Yoshi as DH. Yu Chang was one of the cast offs I talked about. I honestly liked him and felt he wasn't terrible. We were all very uneasy about Arroyo being at 2nd given his injury history too. I don't think there was a poster on here super pumped about that. |
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Post by incandenza on Sept 23, 2023 11:45:41 GMT -5
They had four backup plans:
1) If Xander leaves, move Story to SS. 2) If Story gets hurt, add Duvall and move Kiké to SS. 3) If Kiké is hurt/ineffective, add Mondesi when he gets over his injury. 4) If Mondesi isn't there, Yu Chang can fill in in a pinch.
When plans A, B, C, and D all collapse, the problem isn't that they didn't have sufficient contingency planning.
Now 2B is another matter. I was never happy about going into the season with Arroyo as the full-time starter.
At the time, Kiké was earmarked for CF. Duvall was probably going to be 4th outfielder and play on days where they threw Yoshi as DH. Yu Chang was one of the cast offs I talked about. I honestly liked him and felt he wasn't terrible. We were all very uneasy about Arroyo being at 2nd given his injury history too. I don't think there was a poster on here super pumped about that. When they signed Duvall it was so that Kiké would be available to play SS. Yeah, Yu Chang was a "cast-off" but what do you expect for your Plan D? And he played at about a 1 WAR/year pace when he was on the roster, which is pretty good for a cast-off.
As for the decision to sign Story in the first place... I'm surprised we haven't gotten more "shoulda signed Seager or Semien" revisionism. I thought both those contracts were ludicrous at the time, but Semien has already earned almost half the value of his contract in the first two seasons and Seager is playing like an MVP this year.
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Post by Yaz-1971 on Sept 23, 2023 12:23:53 GMT -5
At the time, Kiké was earmarked for CF. Duvall was probably going to be 4th outfielder and play on days where they threw Yoshi as DH. Yu Chang was one of the cast offs I talked about. I honestly liked him and felt he wasn't terrible. We were all very uneasy about Arroyo being at 2nd given his injury history too. I don't think there was a poster on here super pumped about that. When they signed Duvall it was so that Kiké would be available to play SS. Yeah, Yu Chang was a "cast-off" but what do you expect for your Plan D? And he played at about a 1 WAR/year pace when he was on the roster, which is pretty good for a cast-off.
As for the decision to sign Story in the first place... I'm surprised we haven't gotten more "shoulda signed Seager or Semien" revisionism. I thought both those contracts were ludicrous at the time, but Semien has already earned almost half the value of his contract in the first two seasons and Seager is playing like an MVP this year.
Bloom signed too many players coming off injuries or that had injury questions and ‘hoped’ that the injuries would not be a problem. Many of these backfired. I believe Cherington was fired because of his poor performance in free agent signings: Sandoval, Hanley Ramirez, Rusney, traded for Allen Craig…. IMO, Bloom was fired for the many injured and ineffective free agent signings and inactivity at the deadline the last two years. That said, I am glad he hung on to so many prospects I hope to see some of in the game today! |
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Post by rhswanzey on Sept 23, 2023 12:31:31 GMT -5
At the time, Kiké was earmarked for CF. Duvall was probably going to be 4th outfielder and play on days where they threw Yoshi as DH. Yu Chang was one of the cast offs I talked about. I honestly liked him and felt he wasn't terrible. We were all very uneasy about Arroyo being at 2nd given his injury history too. I don't think there was a poster on here super pumped about that. When they signed Duvall it was so that Kiké would be available to play SS. Yeah, Yu Chang was a "cast-off" but what do you expect for your Plan D? And he played at about a 1 WAR/year pace when he was on the roster, which is pretty good for a cast-off.
As for the decision to sign Story in the first place... I'm surprised we haven't gotten more "shoulda signed Seager or Semien" revisionism. I thought both those contracts were ludicrous at the time, but Semien has already earned almost half the value of his contract in the first two seasons and Seager is playing like an MVP this year.
Gausman (22) or Wacha (7), Paxton (6), Hill (5), and the salary difference between Renfroe and JBJ Gausman (22) or Kluber (10), Kiké (10), tendering Brasier Iâd make a point about how damn stupid it is to say that two 2 WAR players and one 1 WAR player is the same as one 5 WAR player, but you canât even break even if you just add randoms together. |
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Post by jbuttah on Sept 23, 2023 14:04:40 GMT -5
How are the Mets, Padres and Yankees doing this year? How are the Rays doing? It’s not that simple. Money helps…., but it absolutely does not buy World Series Championship! SanDiego sucks for the amount of money they they spend (I live there). Talk about a GM that needs to be fired. SD will never win a WS until they get a GM who knows what the hell he is doing. I am a 52 year Red Sox fan. I waited 33 years to see my first WS title, and now I have seen 4 in the last 19 years (all under the same ownership group). Money helps, but a farm system to have controllable, inexpensive core of players and then adding FAs gets the job done. I watched a lot of Red Sox teams built differently and they all failed. He should be fired on the basis of that idiotic Bogaerts contract alone. |
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Post by jbuttah on Sept 23, 2023 14:07:57 GMT -5
When they signed Duvall it was so that Kiké would be available to play SS. Yeah, Yu Chang was a "cast-off" but what do you expect for your Plan D? And he played at about a 1 WAR/year pace when he was on the roster, which is pretty good for a cast-off.
As for the decision to sign Story in the first place... I'm surprised we haven't gotten more "shoulda signed Seager or Semien" revisionism. I thought both those contracts were ludicrous at the time, but Semien has already earned almost half the value of his contract in the first two seasons and Seager is playing like an MVP this year.
Bloom signed too many players coming off injuries or that had injury questions and ‘hoped’ that the injuries would not be a problem. Many of these backfired. I believe Cherington was fired because of his poor performance in free agent signings: Sandoval, Hanley Ramirez, Rusney, traded for Allen Craig…. IMO, Bloom was fired for the many injured and ineffective free agent signings and inactivity at the deadline the last two years. That said, I am glad he hung on to so many prospects I hope to see some of in the game today! I think another big factor was his inability to find players and develop/tweak them to become useful players, like TB did with Springs and LA did with Brasier. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 23, 2023 15:49:56 GMT -5
Fourth inning and zero posts.
NESN ratings must not be doing too hot
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 23, 2023 15:50:40 GMT -5
Ceddanne the Entertainer with a fabulous running catch followed up by a Duran-esque hustle double, running on Benintendi's Damon-esque arm.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 23, 2023 15:51:39 GMT -5
Fourth inning and zero posts. NESN ratings must not be doing too hot No help from me -- I'm with Joe and Will on 'EEI. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 23, 2023 15:53:30 GMT -5
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