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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 24, 2023 16:07:28 GMT -5
Pitching looked excellent vs this lineup all series.
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Post by taiwansox on Sept 24, 2023 16:07:47 GMT -5
This loss gets us closer to Cleveland/Pittsburgh territory. At this point, root for the kids, but team losses
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Post by manfred on Sept 24, 2023 16:19:07 GMT -5
5-1 to finish .500?
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 24, 2023 16:21:28 GMT -5
I still prefer to finish ahead of MFY and then win the top pick in the lottery.
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 24, 2023 16:21:52 GMT -5
I chose 73 wins way back in Feb/March, and they have passed that threshold, but not by much, and they don't exactly look like they are going to get to 80 between now and the end of the season... 6 games left and I am struggling to see this club even finish .500.
Oof, what a stinker of a year.
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 24, 2023 16:23:47 GMT -5
I would not place anything of value on that wager.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 24, 2023 16:45:05 GMT -5
Their run differential is now exactly 0. I'd call that fairly mediocre.
Having lost 5 of their last 6 one-run decisions, they've fallen behind their pythagorean win expectation (which is obviously 78-78, given the run differential). So we can add "bad luck" to the things that account for their bad record... except I don't think it's luck so much as the fact that they stopped trying a couple weeks ago. Which I don't love as a fan, I have to say.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 24, 2023 16:46:54 GMT -5
I am now thinking my 79 win guess was too optimistic. That makes me sad.
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Post by foreverred9 on Sept 24, 2023 16:50:40 GMT -5
In a three-way tie for worse team in baseball since the Bear Claw game with the Angels and Rockies, with the White Sox and Nationals one game ahead.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Sept 24, 2023 16:54:03 GMT -5
Astros swept by the Royals lol So Seattle can catch and pass them for he last playoff spot in their series starting tomorrow. Now there is something to root for !!!
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Post by manfred on Sept 24, 2023 17:09:30 GMT -5
I have my eyes on the Tigers. They are winning, which would out them 3 behind the Sox. But they play KC and CLE to end the season… not impossible for them to catch us. That would be a grave indignity.
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Post by stevedillard on Sept 24, 2023 18:01:24 GMT -5
Because they have the tie breaker, its really four. And "indignity"? Nobody ares how much of a loser you are, if you get a better player for the next decade.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 24, 2023 19:19:25 GMT -5
I am now thinking my 79 win guess was too optimistic. That makes me sad. You and I have to quit being such pollyannas
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Post by soxfansince67 on Sept 24, 2023 20:10:46 GMT -5
78-84 last year.
76-80 with 6 to play this year.
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Post by manfred on Sept 24, 2023 20:16:37 GMT -5
78-84 last year. 76-80 with 6 to play this year. Still a chance they are improving!
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Sept 24, 2023 20:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 24, 2023 20:35:43 GMT -5
I am now thinking my 79 win guess was too optimistic. That makes me sad. Imagine how ridiculous I must feel. I picked 81. They'll end up with about the same number of wins as last year's 78 and that's with $80M worth of AAV in FA signings last off-season. Worst yet, those signings included Yoshi, who's at .6 FG WAR and 1.3 B-Ref WAR and has another four years and $72M left. It's grim.
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Post by kman22 on Sept 24, 2023 20:52:53 GMT -5
He was probably operating under the assumption that Kiké would contribute to that improvement, instead having a worst in show performance before being traded.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 24, 2023 21:00:05 GMT -5
I am now thinking my 79 win guess was too optimistic. That makes me sad. Imagine how ridiculous I must feel. I picked 81. They'll end up with about the same number of wins as last year's 78 and that's with $80M worth of AAV in FA signings last off-season. Worst yet, those signings included Yoshi, who's at .6 FG WAR and 1.3 B-Ref WAR and has another four years and $72M left. It's grim. I feel....not so bright. I originally picked 81 wins but liked what I saw. I revised them upward to 85 wins and thought that they could even hit their best case scenario of 90 wins. I based it on Sale's 6 game stretch after he made mechanical adjustments and looked as good as he has been since 2018. Take an ace Chris Sale, Bello maturing rapidly, and Paxton looking like his old self, too, I deluded myself into thinking they could maintain it, but that Bloom could hedge his bets by picking up a playoff caliber starter, and it would drop Houck, Whitlock, Pivetta, and Crawford into the bullpen with Jansen, Martin, Winckowski, and Bernardino, add in a lineup that would add back Story and Duvall....well the only thing I didnt like was the terrible team defense, but i figured that Story couldn't be much worse than what had been at SS, but that Bloom would add defense to the bench as i would think a capable glove or two for the bench would be cheaper to obtain than most other commodities. Others were saying they should wave the white flag but they were 56-47 and right in the thick of things. Trade Paxton and/or Turner? Ridiculous. I figured they'd add rather than subtract, but instead they did virtually nothing and my premise of a big 3 in Sale, Bello, and Paxton bit the dust. Then Toronto swept them and they were done. I knew it when Toronto swept them, it was over, although it shouldn't have been. But they have collapsed, going 20-33 since. Boy was I wrong. Like I said before, if my job this year was to properly judge what the Red Sox were, I would have been fired, too.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 24, 2023 21:00:44 GMT -5
Their run differential is now exactly 0. I'd call that fairly mediocre. Having lost 5 of their last 6 one-run decisions, they've fallen behind their pythagorean win expectation (which is obviously 78-78, given the run differential). So we can add "bad luck" to the things that account for their bad record... except I don't think it's luck so much as the fact that they stopped trying a couple weeks ago. Which I don't love as a fan, I have to say. Did Abreu and Duval luck out today swinging nonchalantly but somehow hitting long homers? Were our pitchers not trying in this series but somehow had good results regardless? Has Devers thrown in the towel notwithstanding that his average has consistently climbed over the past months and he has registered 33 homers on the season? Are players not running out balls? Is it happenstance that the Sox have the 3rd highest team batting average in baseball and dwarf the Yankees' team average by 35+ points? If so, I can't wait until the team wakes up and really gives honest effort. Let's DFA or trade the slackers who don't care to earn their money. See how they'd like to push burgers and fries at Mickey D's....
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Post by kingstephanos on Sept 24, 2023 21:51:53 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Sept 25, 2023 8:53:28 GMT -5
Their run differential is now exactly 0. I'd call that fairly mediocre. Having lost 5 of their last 6 one-run decisions, they've fallen behind their pythagorean win expectation (which is obviously 78-78, given the run differential). So we can add "bad luck" to the things that account for their bad record... except I don't think it's luck so much as the fact that they stopped trying a couple weeks ago. Which I don't love as a fan, I have to say. Did Abreu and Duval luck out today swinging nonchalantly but somehow hitting long homers? Were our pitchers not trying in this series but somehow had good results regardless? Has Devers thrown in the towel notwithstanding that his average has consistently climbed over the past months and he has registered 33 homers on the season? Are players not running out balls? Is it happenstance that the Sox have the 3rd highest team batting average in baseball and dwarf the Yankees' team average by 35+ points? If so, I can't wait until the team wakes up and really gives honest effort. Let's DFA or trade the slackers who don't care to earn their money. See how they'd like to push burgers and fries at Mickey D's.... You'll never find me saying the players aren't trying. I was referring to managerial decisions, like who to give playing time to, when to bring in relievers, when to challenge calls, etc.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 25, 2023 8:55:37 GMT -5
Hilarious.....That reminds me of his similar performance in Stripes ginning up the misfits in his unit the night before a graduation presentation before a visiting general... "We're mutants..." So, taking liberties... And absolutely win or lose it doesn't matter for the Sox at this stage. I take solace in elevated draft picks at any loss.
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Post by asm19 on Sept 25, 2023 14:22:32 GMT -5
In a three-way tie for worse team in baseball since the Bear Claw game with the Angels and Rockies, with the White Sox and Nationals one game ahead. I feel like I stopped caring about their record the first week of September, so maybe the losses have all blurred together, but they are having one of their worst months in a decade so far. And in fact, for two straight years they've had two of their lowest winning % months. Month - Winning %* July 2022 - .296 Sept. 2023 - .318Aug. 2020 - .333 May 2015 - .345 June 2016 - .385 Last year their horrible month basically reversed all progress from an outstanding (20-6) June. This year, their playoff chances had already been put on life support in that run of games vs LA/Houston. But it's worth noting if the 2023 September record had been reversed (15-7 instead of the actual 7-15) they'd be around the 84 win mark alongside the floundering Astros and Mariners. I had enjoyed this year's team hanging in a lot longer than 2022, but in both cases the team treaded water around the trade deadline and ultimately drowned. (*FYI - I omitted months that only had like a handful of games in them from this sample.)
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