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Post by manfred on Apr 3, 2024 22:47:28 GMT -5
I wasn’t being a pessimist. I said the rotation is extremely talented. But, yes, if guys get hurt and they go to 6, 7, or god forbid 8… big time pessimist. Manfred 2.0, yes a reformed pessimist…..lol. At long last you are finally over M. B….(he who shall not be named). I best not use his name for fear of another rant. New year, cleaned house.
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Post by trotman on Apr 4, 2024 7:01:57 GMT -5
Jim Bowden coming out with another wonderful article ranking MLB Starting rotations. With an April 4th date of release, the article includes no information about the current 2024 season. theathletic.com/5388585/2024/04/04/mlb-starting-rotation-rankings/1. Braves 2. Mariners 3. Phillies 4. Dbacks 5. Dodgers 8. Blue Jays 9. Orioles 11. Yankees (actually includes Cole's injury) 13. Tampa Bay 22. Red Sox LAA is #26 and Oaklands AAAA squad is #29.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 9, 2024 10:32:43 GMT -5
Big deal at MLB.com over Mile Trout's hot start, after a big game against the Rays.
Against us he was looking at a .111 / .333 / .111 before his garbage-time homer. He has a .308 WPA, but that's .561 against others and -.253 against us.
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Post by badfishnbc on Apr 9, 2024 10:58:56 GMT -5
The Sox injured-pitcher shoe just dropped:
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Post by vokuhila on Apr 9, 2024 11:25:56 GMT -5
We startet with Giolito and Pivetta as the proven verterans and then question marks behind them. Now we have the question marks and Criswell and then Anderson behind them?
That went downhill quickly!
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Post by wvusox on Apr 9, 2024 12:33:56 GMT -5
Not only are current Sox starters lighting it up so far (ahead of Pivetta's injury, of course) but former Sox pitchers starting for other teams are off to a hot start as well:
SOX STARTERS 5-1, 1.53 ERA, 12 BB, 62K in 53.0 IP TOTALS
2-0, 0.00 ERA, 2 BB, 17 K in 12.0 IP Tanner Houck 1-1, 0.82 ERA, 1 BB, 13 K in 11.0 IP Nick Pivetta 0-0, 0.84 ERA, 4 BB, 12 K in 10.7 IP Kutter Crawford 1-0, 0.96 ERA, 4 BB, 12 K in 9.3 IP Garrett Whitlock 1-0, 5.40 ERA, 1 BB, 8 K in 10.0 IP Brayan Bello
FORMER SOX PITCHERS 7-0, 1.97 ERA, 19 BB, 65 K in 68.7 IP TOTALS
1-0, 0.82 ERA, 2 BB, 11 K in 11.0 IP Zack Littell (TB) 1-0, 1.38 ERA, 2 BB, 11 K in 13.0 IP Nathan Eovaldi (TEX) 2-0, 1.64 ERA, 6 BB, 9 K in 11.0 IP James Paxton (LAD) 1-0, 2.25 ERA, 2 BB, 13 K in 12.0 IP Michael Wacha (KC) 1-0, 2.45 ERA, 5 BB, 8 K in 11.0 IP Martin Perez (PIT) 1-0, 3.38 ERA, 2 BB, 13 K in 10.7 IP Chris Sale (ATL)
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Post by carmenfanzone on Apr 9, 2024 12:50:51 GMT -5
Not only are current Sox starters lighting it up so far (ahead of Pivetta's injury, of course) but former Sox pitchers starting for other teams are off to a hot start as well: SOX STARTERS 5-1, 1.53 ERA, 12 BB, 62K in 53.0 IP TOTALS 2-0, 0.00 ERA, 2 BB, 17 K in 12.0 IP Tanner Houck 1-1, 0.82 ERA, 1 BB, 13 K in 11.0 IP Nick Pivetta 0-0, 0.84 ERA, 4 BB, 12 K in 10.7 IP Kutter Crawford 1-0, 0.96 ERA, 4 BB, 12 K in 9.3 IP Garrett Whitlock 1-0, 5.40 ERA, 1 BB, 8 K in 10.0 IP Brayan Bello FORMER SOX PITCHERS 7-0, 1.97 ERA, 19 BB, 65 K in 68.7 IP TOTALS 1-0, 0.82 ERA, 2 BB, 11 K in 11.0 IP Zack Littell (TB) 1-0, 1.38 ERA, 2 BB, 11 K in 13.0 IP Nathan Eovaldi (TEX) 2-0, 1.64 ERA, 6 BB, 9 K in 11.0 IP James Paxton (LAD) 1-0, 2.25 ERA, 2 BB, 13 K in 12.0 IP Michael Wacha (KC) 1-0, 2.45 ERA, 5 BB, 8 K in 11.0 IP Martin Perez (PIT) 1-0, 3.38 ERA, 2 BB, 13 K in 10.7 IP Chris Sale (ATL) Yes, and we could sure use at least one of the free agents we let walk (Paxton, Wacha, Eovaldi) now. And Turner is off to a pretty good start for Toronto while we just sent Dalbec down after he started the season without a hit.
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Post by manfred on Apr 9, 2024 12:51:58 GMT -5
Not only are current Sox starters lighting it up so far (ahead of Pivetta's injury, of course) but former Sox pitchers starting for other teams are off to a hot start as well: SOX STARTERS 5-1, 1.53 ERA, 12 BB, 62K in 53.0 IP TOTALS 2-0, 0.00 ERA, 2 BB, 17 K in 12.0 IP Tanner Houck 1-1, 0.82 ERA, 1 BB, 13 K in 11.0 IP Nick Pivetta 0-0, 0.84 ERA, 4 BB, 12 K in 10.7 IP Kutter Crawford 1-0, 0.96 ERA, 4 BB, 12 K in 9.3 IP Garrett Whitlock 1-0, 5.40 ERA, 1 BB, 8 K in 10.0 IP Brayan Bello FORMER SOX PITCHERS 7-0, 1.97 ERA, 19 BB, 65 K in 68.7 IP TOTALS 1-0, 0.82 ERA, 2 BB, 11 K in 11.0 IP Zack Littell (TB) 1-0, 1.38 ERA, 2 BB, 11 K in 13.0 IP Nathan Eovaldi (TEX) 2-0, 1.64 ERA, 6 BB, 9 K in 11.0 IP James Paxton (LAD) 1-0, 2.25 ERA, 2 BB, 13 K in 12.0 IP Michael Wacha (KC) 1-0, 2.45 ERA, 5 BB, 8 K in 11.0 IP Martin Perez (PIT) 1-0, 3.38 ERA, 2 BB, 13 K in 10.7 IP Chris Sale (ATL) Yes, and we could sure use at least one of the free agents we let walk (Paxton, Wacha, Eovaldi) now. And Turner is off to a pretty good start for Toronto while we just sent Dalbec down after he started the season without a hit. In a year of exploding elbows, I’d hold off on missing Paxton and Eovaldi. Let’s see how they are in coming weeks.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 9, 2024 12:58:19 GMT -5
Not only are current Sox starters lighting it up so far (ahead of Pivetta's injury, of course) but former Sox pitchers starting for other teams are off to a hot start as well: SOX STARTERS 5-1, 1.53 ERA, 12 BB, 62K in 53.0 IP TOTALS 2-0, 0.00 ERA, 2 BB, 17 K in 12.0 IP Tanner Houck 1-1, 0.82 ERA, 1 BB, 13 K in 11.0 IP Nick Pivetta 0-0, 0.84 ERA, 4 BB, 12 K in 10.7 IP Kutter Crawford 1-0, 0.96 ERA, 4 BB, 12 K in 9.3 IP Garrett Whitlock 1-0, 5.40 ERA, 1 BB, 8 K in 10.0 IP Brayan Bello FORMER SOX PITCHERS 7-0, 1.97 ERA, 19 BB, 65 K in 68.7 IP TOTALS 1-0, 0.82 ERA, 2 BB, 11 K in 11.0 IP Zack Littell (TB) 1-0, 1.38 ERA, 2 BB, 11 K in 13.0 IP Nathan Eovaldi (TEX) 2-0, 1.64 ERA, 6 BB, 9 K in 11.0 IP James Paxton (LAD) 1-0, 2.25 ERA, 2 BB, 13 K in 12.0 IP Michael Wacha (KC) 1-0, 2.45 ERA, 5 BB, 8 K in 11.0 IP Martin Perez (PIT) 1-0, 3.38 ERA, 2 BB, 13 K in 10.7 IP Chris Sale (ATL) Yes, and we could sure use at least one of the free agents we let walk (Paxton, Wacha, Eovaldi) now. And Turner is off to a pretty good start for Toronto while we just sent Dalbec down after he started the season without a hit. The complaint about "letting Wacha go" is always a bit funny to me. He was only brought on for one year on the cheap and he did pretty well; would it have been better if the Red Sox hadn't done that in the first place? Then they could have avoided the criticism of letting him go...
Having said that, I do wish they had re-signed Paxton, if he would have agreed to it; seems like he'd have fit in the budget. And I also wish Eovaldi had accepted the Red Sox offer post-2022 as well.
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Post by nomar on Apr 9, 2024 13:05:19 GMT -5
Yes, and we could sure use at least one of the free agents we let walk (Paxton, Wacha, Eovaldi) now. And Turner is off to a pretty good start for Toronto while we just sent Dalbec down after he started the season without a hit. The complaint about "letting Wacha go" is always a bit funny to me. He was only brought on for one year on the cheap and he did pretty well; would it have been better if the Red Sox hadn't done that in the first place? Then they could have avoided the criticism of letting him go... Having said that, I do wish they had re-signed Paxton, if he would have agreed to it; seems like he'd have fit in the budget. And I also wish Eovaldi had accepted the Red Sox offer post-2022 as well.
Wacha is a curious case to me too because he really outperformed his expected results in 2022 and 2023. I don’t know how “real” the ability he has to limit damage is or whether you can expect it to continue. I will say that he was enjoyable to watch. I have a soft spots for arcs where pitchers start their career successfully, then fall off and look essentially cooked, only to figure out their way back to being solid again. Paxton would have been nice to have, but the Dodgers were like a Lebron team gobbling up every player that gets bought out for the vet minimum (only with vets on 1 year deals instead). I don’t think they has much of a chance even if they wanted to keep him
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Post by incandenza on Apr 9, 2024 13:14:23 GMT -5
The complaint about "letting Wacha go" is always a bit funny to me. He was only brought on for one year on the cheap and he did pretty well; would it have been better if the Red Sox hadn't done that in the first place? Then they could have avoided the criticism of letting him go... Having said that, I do wish they had re-signed Paxton, if he would have agreed to it; seems like he'd have fit in the budget. And I also wish Eovaldi had accepted the Red Sox offer post-2022 as well.
Wacha is a curious case to me too because he really outperformed his expected results in 2022 and 2023. I don’t know how “real” the ability he has to limit damage is or whether you can expect it to continue. I will say that he was enjoyable to watch. I have a soft spots for arcs where pitchers start their career successfully, then fall off and look essentially cooked, only to figure out their way back to being solid again. Paxton would have been nice to have, but the Dodgers were like a Lebron team gobbling up every player that gets bought out for the vet minimum (only with vets on 1 year deals instead). I don’t think they has much of a chance even if they wanted to keep him Yeah, I only wonder on Paxton because he signed so cheap (1/7). But of course that was partly because of health issues, and we'll see how that goes; maybe the Red Sox had good reasons to pass on him.
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Post by cdj on Apr 9, 2024 13:23:18 GMT -5
now I really really wish they would’ve signed Clevinger
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Post by asm18 on Apr 12, 2024 9:19:57 GMT -5
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Post by asm18 on Apr 18, 2024 9:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by pappyman99 on Apr 18, 2024 10:12:48 GMT -5
If the success keeps up and Grissom turns at well the calculus on that trade looks even better
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Post by okin15 on Apr 19, 2024 10:58:24 GMT -5
So what will they do now that they're down to 4 starters again? Bullpen games?
I'm a fan of trying to stretch out Slaten, Andersen and/or Wink. (Or at least I think that's the best current option.)
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Post by bosox904 on Apr 19, 2024 16:41:25 GMT -5
Eno Sarris updated his SP rankings(165 SP ranked), they're more geared towards fantasy baseball, but probably have some value outside of that. There's not a Sox starter really high or anything, but here's where he has Sox starters ranked. End of 2023 ranks in parentheses.
Houck 41(151) Bello 52(110) Pivetta 62(37) Kutter 69(56) Whitlock 90(didn't have his ranking, so guessing unranked)
Like I said, none ranked really high, but 5 in the top 90 is nice. Houck could also continue to rise, as he did considerably already. Not sure why Pivetta fell so much as his Stuff+ and Location+ numbers are good. Kutters falling in the ranks is probably mostly just guys jumping him.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Apr 19, 2024 17:14:13 GMT -5
Eno Sarris updated his SP rankings(165 SP ranked), they're more geared towards fantasy baseball, but probably have some value outside of that. There's not a Sox starter really high or anything, but here's where he has Sox starters ranked. End of 2023 ranks in parentheses. Houck 41(151) Bello 52(110) Pivetta 62(37) Kutter 69(56) Whitlock 90(didn't have his ranking, so guessing unranked) Like I said, none ranked really high, but 5 in the top 90 is nice. Houck could also continue to rise, as he did considerably already. Not sure why Pivetta fell so much as his Stuff+ and Location+ numbers are good. Kutters falling in the ranks is probably mostly just guys jumping him. Crawford falling a bit was odd. I assume Pivetta fell because he’s on the IL with no defined timeline to return.
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Post by bosox904 on Apr 20, 2024 15:12:26 GMT -5
Eno Sarris updated his SP rankings(165 SP ranked), they're more geared towards fantasy baseball, but probably have some value outside of that. There's not a Sox starter really high or anything, but here's where he has Sox starters ranked. End of 2023 ranks in parentheses. Houck 41(151) Bello 52(110) Pivetta 62(37) Kutter 69(56) Whitlock 90(didn't have his ranking, so guessing unranked) Like I said, none ranked really high, but 5 in the top 90 is nice. Houck could also continue to rise, as he did considerably already. Not sure why Pivetta fell so much as his Stuff+ and Location+ numbers are good. Kutters falling in the ranks is probably mostly just guys jumping him. Crawford falling a bit was odd. I assume Pivetta fell because he’s on the IL with no defined timeline to return. I looked through a lot of the guys ahead of Kutter and it really just seems like it was ither guys making big jumps than him just falling, if that makes sense. There's over 20 pitchers ahead of him that weren't ranked or were behind Kutter after 2023 and a lot of them made significant jumps. Two of which are Bello and Houck.
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Post by asm18 on Apr 20, 2024 15:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 20, 2024 18:47:26 GMT -5
Mid may seemed the best case scenario going into this week with the news so far so let's hope that's the case.
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Post by sxfan on Apr 20, 2024 19:30:40 GMT -5
34 percent usage of the splitter for Houck. Completely different pitcher with a effective third pitch now. He had it last year; that's how he became the 2nd best starting pitcher in MLB up to his injury, but just through the third inning. (After that he was 25th worst, out of 150).
The main difference: two winters ago he was unable to work out after having had surgery. Last winters he worked his butt off to increase his stamina, with a boost in velo as a bonus. The "times around the order" effect is, on the whole, entirely about stamina rather that pitch variety. (Think Justin Verlander, who in his 2022 CY year threw his #4 pitch, his change, twice a game.)
The new regime gave all of the starters individual workout plans, and everyone has had their pitch usage tweaked. The latter is the secondary change from last year
Houck and Crawford are serious CY candidates.
(Yes, I'll continue to point this out as long as its necessary! No shame to get it wrong, as that's what everyone has been taught.)
It's a completely different pitch this year, and he's throwing it more. He did not have this last year.
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Post by manfred on Apr 20, 2024 20:37:22 GMT -5
He had it last year; that's how he became the 2nd best starting pitcher in MLB up to his injury, but just through the third inning. (After that he was 25th worst, out of 150).
The main difference: two winters ago he was unable to work out after having had surgery. Last winters he worked his butt off to increase his stamina, with a boost in velo as a bonus. The "times around the order" effect is, on the whole, entirely about stamina rather that pitch variety. (Think Justin Verlander, who in his 2022 CY year threw his #4 pitch, his change, twice a game.)
The new regime gave all of the starters individual workout plans, and everyone has had their pitch usage tweaked. The latter is the secondary change from last year
Houck and Crawford are serious CY candidates.
(Yes, I'll continue to point this out as long as its necessary! No shame to get it wrong, as that's what everyone has been taught.)
It's a completely different pitch this year, and he's throwing it more. He did not have this last year. I like yer style, dude.
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Post by sxfan on Apr 20, 2024 20:55:58 GMT -5
It's a completely different pitch this year, and he's throwing it more. He did not have this last year. I like yer style, dude. I'm all for crazy hypotheticals- Also not falling for it. Tanner has added a cutter this year, (he's not throwing it a lot but something worth noting).Dropped his 4 seam fastball entirely. But the biggest change in Houck is the splitter. Splitter. Splitter. Splitter. That extra inches in vertical drop is the difference between a LHB fouling off the pitch or spitting on it, versus not recognizing more spin and swinging through it (or making weak contact.) The foul pitches drives up the pitch count, where he can't make it past 5 innings, (can't put batters away). And thank you.
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Post by blizzards39 on Apr 21, 2024 18:27:05 GMT -5
Its crazy looking at the pole to open this thread and to see how few thought whitlock or Houck would be in the rotation.
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