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Celtics 2023-24 Season Thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 13, 2024 10:06:33 GMT -5
I'm mad you can hear Marc Davis blow the whistle and then don't call the foul.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 13, 2024 11:14:03 GMT -5
Shams is reporting that there’s a chance KP plays tomorrow.
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Post by rhswanzey on Jun 13, 2024 11:18:14 GMT -5
It’s awesome seeing JB finally getting his flowers after so many winters of trade rumors and being dissected by default into “the next guy” after JT in the roster hierarchy.
BUT (spoken in the trademark Will Flemming preemptive context —> devil’s advocate discussion point format)
I didn’t think it was possible, but I think Tatum is being underrated/undersold in the national zeitgeist at this point. Exactly what you wrote here. Some scouting reports portrayed Tatum as a one dimensional scorer. The Tatum we’ve seen this season is impacting the game on both sides of the ball when his shots aren’t falling. It became a regular occurrence for him to not even attempt a shot for much of the first quarter during the second half of the regular season. He’s letting the game come to him and getting his teammates involved early. He’s learned to make the right reads instead of forcing things up that aren’t there when he doesn’t have to do that.
It’s not that I don’t believe in him as a primary scorer, or that there aren’t a lot of 40-50+ point signature games left in him. It’s one thing to develop into a more dynamic player. And it’s another to, as a star level player, have the humility to do it and the focus on what his legacy as a player ultimately will be: the postseason. There are a lot of players as talented as early 20s Tatum who just don’t or won’t show that level of maturity and willingness to attack their weaker areas. Both J’s have clearly done this, for years. I’m sick of the “easy path” talk because they have 100% earned the success they’ve had so far on this run. It only looks easy because the ball movement and defense the team is full of when it’s playing at its best, is elite and impressive.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 13, 2024 11:29:27 GMT -5
I can't wait for Tatum to take the next step like Brown has during these playoffs, that will be scary! It's such a joy to watch because I never thought I would see it!
Nevermind that was some of the best the Jay's playing together getting each other great looks we've ever seen.
I'm so impressed how the offense has transformed since last year, outside 7 minutes in the 4th. It's like they had to prove to us we can now overcome even those crazy brain farts. Unreal job by the coach. So nice to see our coach out coaching the other teams coach, way too much of the opposite over the years.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 13, 2024 11:30:31 GMT -5
Pritchard is 1-13 on 3 point attempts in the finals. The one hit was a 40 foot heave at the buzzer that fortunately banked in. 3 or 4 more makes and the games would have been easier. I wonder if the pressure has gotten to him...
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 13, 2024 11:38:35 GMT -5
Pritchard is 1-13 on 3 point attempts in the finals. The one hit was a 40 foot heave at the buzzer that fortunately banked in. 3 or 4 more makes and the games would have been easier. I wonder if the pressure has gotten to him... It happens with shooters, just like Hauser versus the Pacers. I say keep shooting just like Hauser did.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 13, 2024 13:16:49 GMT -5
Pritchard is 1-13 on 3 point attempts in the finals. The one hit was a 40 foot heave at the buzzer that fortunately banked in. 3 or 4 more makes and the games would have been easier. I wonder if the pressure has gotten to him... It happens with shooters, just like Hauser versus the Pacers. I say keep shooting just like Hauser did. Well, it does, of course. But, if Tatum had gone 1-13 from 3 in the finals, the board would erupt. Pritchard is a better 3 point shooter than Tatum. It's his calling card. The 3 pointer he hit gave him no time to think. It seemed to me that in high stress games during the season, Payton had struggled. A good game from him would do wonders for the C's. Up 3-0 might loosen everyone up.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 13, 2024 14:08:12 GMT -5
It happens with shooters, just like Hauser versus the Pacers. I say keep shooting just like Hauser did. Well, it does, of course. But, if Tatum had gone 1-13 from 3 in the finals, the board would erupt. Pritchard is a better 3 point shooter than Tatum. It's his calling card. The 3 pointer he hit gave him no time to think. It seemed to me that in high stress games during the season, Payton had struggled. A good game from him would do wonders for the C's. Up 3-0 might loosen everyone up. No one is talking about giving Pritchard the highest salary in the NBA either. His shooting is his only real asset, but at the end of the day, he's a role player. It's comparing apples and oranges.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 13, 2024 14:23:43 GMT -5
It happens with shooters, just like Hauser versus the Pacers. I say keep shooting just like Hauser did. Well, it does, of course. But, if Tatum had gone 1-13 from 3 in the finals, the board would erupt. Pritchard is a better 3 point shooter than Tatum. It's his calling card. The 3 pointer he hit gave him no time to think. It seemed to me that in high stress games during the season, Payton had struggled. A good game from him would do wonders for the C's. Up 3-0 might loosen everyone up. Pritchard even after 1 for 13 is still shooting 39.6% from deep in these playoffs on 5.7 attempts per 36 minutes. Tatum is shooting 29.1% on 6.6 attempts per 36 minutes these playoffs. With Tatum it's the type of 3 point shots, iso off the dribble versus catch and shoot. Like he said during the timeout, need to cutout those hard iso 3 point shots. He needs to take his own advice! If he went 1 for 13 on catch and shoot 3 point shots, I'd say keep shooting. It's those hard iso off the dribble 3 pointers he's in love with!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 13, 2024 15:15:20 GMT -5
"Don’t settle for the step-back 3. Every time we drive we get a wide-open shot." - Jayson Tatum
Apparently Tatum said this last night in a huddle. That is an insane quote given this is only really a problem for Tatum.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 13, 2024 15:38:29 GMT -5
"Don’t settle for the step-back 3. Every time we drive we get a wide-open shot." - Jayson Tatum Apparently Tatum said this last night in a huddle. That is an insane quote given this is only really a problem for Tatum. Yea apparently he was mic'd or a mic caught him saying that which at first thought is just a head scratcher but thinking back 15 years ago to my HS sports days I used to kind of do the same thing. Tell yourself in the huddle or on the sidelines that X is working but Y is not working so don't do it. Then the whistle blows and the play starts again and the brain and muscle memory throws that right out the window. I was just a relatively decent VT HS Ball player he's a world class athlete who probably takes thousands of step back 3s in the offseason so I'll give him a pass. Sometimes the body takes over for the brain.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Jun 13, 2024 15:51:41 GMT -5
"Don’t settle for the step-back 3. Every time we drive we get a wide-open shot." - Jayson Tatum Apparently Tatum said this last night in a huddle. That is an insane quote given this is only really a problem for Tatum. Yea apparently he was mic'd or a mic caught him saying that which at first thought is just a head scratcher but thinking back 15 years ago to my HS sports days I used to kind of do the same thing. Tell yourself in the huddle or on the sidelines that X is working but Y is not working so don't do it. Then the whistle blows and the play starts again and the brain and muscle memory throws that right out the window. I was just a relatively decent VT HS Ball player he's a world class athlete who probably takes thousands of step back 3s in the offseason so I'll give him a pass. Sometimes the body takes over for the brain. Dude, where in VT are you from? I graduated from high school in South Burlington in 2008 so we might know some of the same people lol
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 13, 2024 15:53:49 GMT -5
Yea apparently he was mic'd or a mic caught him saying that which at first thought is just a head scratcher but thinking back 15 years ago to my HS sports days I used to kind of do the same thing. Tell yourself in the huddle or on the sidelines that X is working but Y is not working so don't do it. Then the whistle blows and the play starts again and the brain and muscle memory throws that right out the window. I was just a relatively decent VT HS Ball player he's a world class athlete who probably takes thousands of step back 3s in the offseason so I'll give him a pass. Sometimes the body takes over for the brain. Dude, where in VT are you from? I graduated from high school in South Burlington in 2008 so we might know some of the same people lol Barre, I graduated Spaulding in 09. Don't hold the Barre background against me too much ha. Small world but I guess not all that surprising being a Red Sox/NE sports forum.
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Post by tizzle on Jun 13, 2024 16:07:15 GMT -5
"Don’t settle for the step-back 3. Every time we drive we get a wide-open shot." - Jayson Tatum Apparently Tatum said this last night in a huddle. That is an insane quote given this is only really a problem for Tatum. In fairness, he called himself out in that remark.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Jun 13, 2024 16:09:22 GMT -5
Dude, where in VT are you from? I graduated from high school in South Burlington in 2008 so we might know some of the same people lol Barre, I graduated Spaulding in 09. Don't hold the Barre background against me too much ha. Small world but I guess not all that surprising being a Red Sox/NE sports forum. Ha definitely no hate on Barre, never spent too much time there but always seemed like a cool town. I’m sure there are some other Vermonters on here but always cool to find one out in the wild
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 13, 2024 16:35:06 GMT -5
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Post by tizzle on Jun 13, 2024 16:39:21 GMT -5
Can't give enough credit to Ainge. No one else draft the Jays. Brad has been great. It was time to move on from Danny and that has worked out perfectly, but we have no shot at being what we are without Ainge.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 13, 2024 17:53:38 GMT -5
Dude, where in VT are you from? I graduated from high school in South Burlington in 2008 so we might know some of the same people lol Barre, I graduated Spaulding in 09. Don't hold the Barre background against me too much ha. Small world but I guess not all that surprising being a Red Sox/NE sports forum. I have family buried in that cemetery, that boasts some of the finest monument craftsmanship in the world. #BarreGranite
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 13, 2024 18:02:04 GMT -5
There were two plays late right before he fouled out where he took a shot fell over and just layed on the ground. The Celtics got at least one fast break bucket because of it. I mean what is he doing or thinking out there? It's the NBA finals get your ass up and get back in the play. I actually remember the two you are talking about, I think he was flopping on the first one trying to get a foul but I have no idea why he fell on the second one. I think he was wide open I took my eye off him after he let the shot go, next thing he's rolling on the ground.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 13, 2024 18:21:20 GMT -5
"Don’t settle for the step-back 3. Every time we drive we get a wide-open shot." - Jayson Tatum Apparently Tatum said this last night in a huddle. That is an insane quote given this is only really a problem for Tatum. In fairness, he called himself out in that remark. I remember it during the game, why is no-one referring to this. It's a very important part of the quote.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 13, 2024 18:23:31 GMT -5
Does anyone think the Mavs win game 4?
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 13, 2024 19:23:13 GMT -5
Well, it does, of course. But, if Tatum had gone 1-13 from 3 in the finals, the board would erupt. Pritchard is a better 3 point shooter than Tatum. It's his calling card. The 3 pointer he hit gave him no time to think. It seemed to me that in high stress games during the season, Payton had struggled. A good game from him would do wonders for the C's. Up 3-0 might loosen everyone up. No one is talking about giving Pritchard the highest salary in the NBA either. His shooting is his only real asset, but at the end of the day, he's a role player. It's comparing apples and oranges. Sure he's a role player, but had he effectively played that role to date in the finals, we'd feel pretty darn good. As short as he is and with short arms to boot, he has to hit or else sit. I love the guy..scrappy, hustler, overachiever, someone anyone would root for. I'd Love to see him with a good game even in the 10-15 minutes allotted. My gut tells me that he is a bit gunshy in the moment.
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Post by rhswanzey on Jun 13, 2024 20:51:00 GMT -5
No one is talking about giving Pritchard the highest salary in the NBA either. His shooting is his only real asset, but at the end of the day, he's a role player. It's comparing apples and oranges. Sure he's a role player, but had he effectively played that role to date in the finals, we'd feel pretty darn good. As short as he is and with short arms to boot, he has to hit or else sit. I love the guy..scrappy, hustler, overachiever, someone anyone would root for. I'd Love to see him with a good game even in the 10-15 minutes allotted. My gut tells me that he is a bit gunshy in the moment. He forced Luka into a shot clock violation near the post/baseline last night! lol
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 13, 2024 22:18:09 GMT -5
No one is talking about giving Pritchard the highest salary in the NBA either. His shooting is his only real asset, but at the end of the day, he's a role player. It's comparing apples and oranges. Sure he's a role player, but had he effectively played that role to date in the finals, we'd feel pretty darn good. As short as he is and with short arms to boot, he has to hit or else sit. I love the guy..scrappy, hustler, overachiever, someone anyone would root for. I'd Love to see him with a good game even in the 10-15 minutes allotted. My gut tells me that he is a bit gunshy in the moment. His bank 3 won them game 2, like go back and see how that game was going. I respect your opinion here man, but you are wrong. Fast PP has balled, except for last night’s 4th quarter.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 13, 2024 23:09:27 GMT -5
Pritchard went 0-7 in game one. His effort has been there he may just be cold other than the miracle heave in game two.
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