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Post by Don Caballero on May 13, 2024 20:39:15 GMT -5
The Jays and JRue had great games tonight. I thought Tatum was atrocious, but Jaylen balled out of his mind. Overall a very weird game, felt like they were out of rhythm on offense. Mobley is quietly having a great series on defense and seems to be everywhere. We BADLY miss The Porzingod. Al has been solid, but Kornet is getting abused.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 13, 2024 20:45:25 GMT -5
Eh. I'm factoring in 9/9 from the line for Tatum and that he had to take some tough shots as the clock expired... He still takes too many threes. Both the Jays had too many turnovers.
Jrue just played a very smart and tough game in many different ways.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 13, 2024 21:02:02 GMT -5
Aside from the turnovers, Brown was great, and Jrue was outstanding - Pritchard made some huge plays. Tatum stuffed the stat sheet but pretty much vanished in the second half - and the ball movement stopped once he got it. He's in a bit of a strange place right now. I haven't really loved his game for some time. Horford and White were not on their game - Horford may be getting worn down.
But - huge win, just take the next one and get a breather. We need KPor back.
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Post by cdj on May 13, 2024 21:37:52 GMT -5
Not exactly sure how we can call somebody going for 33-11-5 while playing almost the entire game in the playoffs atrocious but sure…he only led the team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, added a couple steals, and made all 9 FT in a playoff win. But atrocious, sure
Tough crowd
The Cavs tried to steal a win by spamming 3’s but the D held them to 31%. Still almost worked because they took 48 of them. Defense did well enough though.
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Post by capesox on May 13, 2024 22:08:29 GMT -5
I don't agree with that either. I give Tatum grief for his shot selection too, but he has been great with his passing and rebounding this postseason. If he would take around 4-5 3s a game instead of 8-10 he would be better off. I give him crap for this defensive effort sometimes but on the most part he has been good with that too so far. The standard for Tatum is so high, I think people aren't appreciating what he is adding beyond the under-50 percent shooting efforts lately.
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Post by foreverred9 on May 13, 2024 22:16:26 GMT -5
Need to give him credit for two big plays at the end: - The kick out to Brown for the 3 to ice the game - Taking it to the net when it was 100-95 and the Cavs were on a 12-2 run to get the tough basket
I was ready to come out with the "here we go again, they can't win when it gets close" and instead he helped keep that narrative at bay (at least for another couple days).
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Post by cdj on May 13, 2024 23:10:58 GMT -5
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 13, 2024 23:17:02 GMT -5
The Mavs completely collapsed at home. Had a big lead for most of the game. Shot like 50% from the free throw line.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 13, 2024 23:18:35 GMT -5
Celts need to close this one out - the other three series are 2-2 and pretty grueling games.
Any updates anywhere on KP? I've seen nothing.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 14, 2024 5:50:24 GMT -5
Celts need to close this one out - the other three series are 2-2 and pretty grueling games. Any updates anywhere on KP? I've seen nothing. All i saw with KP is he’s been walking around fine without a boot or limp. Ending this in 5 will be important to rest up. Tatum and Brown are both banged up and Horford needs a rest. His shots were all short last night.
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Post by wcp3 on May 14, 2024 7:07:02 GMT -5
The Jays and JRue had great games tonight. I thought Tatum was atrocious, but Jaylen balled out of his mind. Overall a very weird game, felt like they were out of rhythm on offense. Mobley is quietly having a great series on defense and seems to be everywhere. We BADLY miss The Porzingod. Al has been solid, but Kornet is getting abused. Tatum was atrocious how? He’s the one guy who rebounds consistently for this team, and he and Jrue are the only reason the Celtics weren’t down at halftime.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 14, 2024 10:57:29 GMT -5
I thought Tatum was atrocious, but Jaylen balled out of his mind. Overall a very weird game, felt like they were out of rhythm on offense. Mobley is quietly having a great series on defense and seems to be everywhere. We BADLY miss The Porzingod. Al has been solid, but Kornet is getting abused. Tatum was atrocious how? He’s the one guy who rebounds consistently for this team, and he and Jrue are the only reason the Celtics weren’t down at halftime. Maybe atrocious was too strong of a word, but he took FAR too many bad shots in the second half and I didn't think he was particularly sharp on defense either. He's an incredible rebounder and did start the game strong, so I'll just say he had a pedestrian game by his standards.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 14, 2024 13:42:56 GMT -5
The hate Tatum gets from Boston fans makes me embarrassed to be a Boston fan. Guy is in the midst of his age 25 season, is phenomenal, still getting better, a great teammate, great off court (from what we can tell), amazing role model with son and works hard. Yet, he gets so much hate. Y’all would have run Jordan out of town before he had a chance to win his first title. I’m not just talking here, it’s online and on the radio, etc.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 14, 2024 14:07:12 GMT -5
In all fairness the age thing is no longer revelant at this point! 5 straight AS teams, last 3 years 3 straight top 6 MVP results and two all NBA team starter. He's one of the best players in the league and that's the standard he should be judged by.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 14, 2024 14:15:45 GMT -5
The hate Tatum gets from Boston fans makes me embarrassed to be a Boston fan. Guy is in the midst of his age 25 season, is phenomenal, still getting better, a great teammate, great off court (from what we can tell), amazing role model with son and works hard. Yet, he gets so much hate. Y’all would have run Jordan out of town before he had a chance to win his first title. I’m not just talking here, it’s online and on the radio, etc. I don't hate him at all, I love his all around game. Even in games he just chucks random bricks I don't hate, he comes up big elsewhere. I just thought he looked substandard last night both on offense and defense. Maybe his elbow is bothering him.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 14, 2024 15:38:35 GMT -5
I don't sense hate anywhere. I see fans matching the potential talent to realization of it. I think Boston fans feel lucky he is on the Celts - and that the passion of being a fan leads to snap reactions during games.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 14, 2024 15:47:49 GMT -5
I don't sense hate anywhere. I see fans matching the potential talent to realization of it. I think Boston fans feel lucky he is on the Celts - and that the passion of being a fan leads to snap reactions during games. I’m not even among that crowd, I know Tatum is a terrific all around player. He isn’t simply a scorer. I just felt he was off yesterday from his usual standards.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 14, 2024 17:42:55 GMT -5
In all fairness the age thing is no longer revelant at this point! 5 straight AS teams, last 3 years 3 straight top 6 MVP results and two all NBA team starter. He's one of the best players in the league and that's the standard he should be judged by. Age matters as part of context. If you want to partake in dragging our best player who’s continued to improve every year have at it but it’s a bit ridiculous.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 14, 2024 21:56:22 GMT -5
Is Tatum better than the last year or two? He is very good obviously but it seems like he makes the same mistakes.
Brown, yeah I would agree he is getting better.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 15, 2024 9:26:15 GMT -5
Is Tatum better than the last year or two? He is very good obviously but it seems like he makes the same mistakes. Brown, yeah I would agree he is getting better. Yes, he’s a lot better. The same mistake is the pull up 3s at too high a frequency, guys don’t fix things all at once. Tatum is a much better finisher at the rim on drives, going thru the body and either finishing or getting fouled. His turnovers are down and assists are up. Overall rebounds similar to last year but if you watch him he’s stronger and a better rebounder. He’s a much better play maker and game manager, but still has strides to make in this area. He’s stepping into his leadership role and empowering guys like DWhite to do their thing and be aggressive. If you think Tatum is a finished product and the same guy each of the last 3 years then your bias is showing. High expectations for him vs low expectations for Brown.
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Post by mobaz on May 15, 2024 9:44:34 GMT -5
I think I'm hoping for a jump from great to "whoa!" like Shai made this year. A Top 8 player in the league is fantastic, but you can desire just a little bit more given his talent, effort, and the times he's played to that ceiling for long stretches.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 15, 2024 10:43:26 GMT -5
I think I'm hoping for a jump from great to "whoa!" like Shai made this year. A Top 8 player in the league is fantastic, but you can desire just a little bit more given his talent, effort, and the times he's played to that ceiling for long stretches. I don’t think it’s fair to questions JTs effort. Also; outside of LeBron and Steph Curry, what NBA player would we not pick apart if we watched him every day like we do Tatum? I can probably do it for all of them except Edward and SGA but that’s because I’ve seen less of them than the others. Even Luka, not dedicated enough, out of shape, body breaks down towards end of season, he looks tired this series. His knees probably hurt due to the weight he’s carrying and the lack of conditioning.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 15, 2024 10:46:36 GMT -5
In all fairness the age thing is no longer revelant at this point! 5 straight AS teams, last 3 years 3 straight top 6 MVP results and two all NBA team starter. He's one of the best players in the league and that's the standard he should be judged by. Age matters as part of context. If you want to partake in dragging our best player who’s continued to improve every year have at it but it’s a bit ridiculous. At this point age only matters if you are comparing him to other players. Nevermind for his age he has a crazy amount of playoff experience for modern times. He's one of the best players in the league and that's how he should be judged. I'm not partaking in anything else, other than to say age isn't an excuse anymore. He's 26 years old and 3 straight top 6 MVP finishes. One of the leagues best players for years playing on maybe the most talented team in the NBA.
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Post by jmei on May 15, 2024 14:00:53 GMT -5
The thing with Tatum is that his weaknesses are all judgment-based, not skill-based. It's not that he's just not a good enough shooter or that he can't keep up on defense. It's that he takes bad iso pull-up threes during clutch moments and complaints to the refs instead of getting back on D. Those are weaknesses that would seem so easy to fix to fans but which persist season after season.
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Post by capesox on May 15, 2024 14:05:31 GMT -5
Denver looked mighty impressive last night. Jokic was out of this world what he did to Gobert. He made the defensive player of the year look foolish. The moves he has and the footwork are insane. Once again it looks like they're going to make it to the finals. I would say the Celtics realistically are 50/50 to win against them at best. Jokic is just so much better than everyone else it's scary.
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