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Post by rjp313jr on May 15, 2024 14:17:11 GMT -5
Denver looked mighty impressive last night. Jokic was out of this world what he did to Gobert. He made the defensive player of the year look foolish. The moves he has and the footwork are insane. Once again it looks like they're going to make it to the finals. I would say the Celtics realistically are 50/50 to win against them at best. Jokic is just so much better than everyone else it's scary. People who act like the Celtics are some Super Team and Denver isn’t are pretty dumb.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 15, 2024 14:18:11 GMT -5
The thing with Tatum is that his weaknesses are all judgment-based, not skill-based. It's not that he's just not a good enough shooter or that he can't keep up on defense. It's that he takes bad iso pull-up threes during clutch moments and complaints to the refs instead of getting back on D. Those are weaknesses that would seem so easy to fix to fans but which persist season after season. It’s almost as if they are maturity things… “According to the National Institute of Mental Health, the brain finishes developing and maturing in the mid-to-late 20s, with the prefrontal cortex, the part of the brain behind the forehead, being one of the last parts to mature. This area is responsible for skills like planning, prioritizing, and making good decisions. However, some research suggests that most people don't reach full maturity until the age 25.” We may not want it to be true because of number or games played etc, but reality is reality when it comes to decisions making, etc. There’s a reason an NBA players prime peaks late 20s early 30s typically.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on May 15, 2024 16:58:55 GMT -5
If we go by winshares which might not be perfect like war, but best we have. Players peak way before late 20's and early 30s. I looked at MJ, LeBron and Horford to add in not an all-time great. They all peaked age 23/24 and only MJ wasn't on the decline once he hit age 30. Now every player is different.
Went and looked at KG, Pierce, Allen, Rondo, KG has the latest peak at age 25 of all the players.
So while it's a very limited sample that's 5 HOF players and a maybe in Horford. The type of caliber player Tatum is.
Even trying to find the late guys like Butler and Nash, were at age 25 and 28. Nash looks more like the Unicorn than the average. Looked at Curry and Jokic.
Good chance we are at the start of Tatums peak years, though I'll certainly hold out hope he's like Nash and has another level in him a few years from now. The average from what I'm seeing of players like Tatum isn't late 20s into early 30s.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on May 15, 2024 17:36:19 GMT -5
No Allen, Mitchell, or Levert. Show no mercy, finish this thing off tonight
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Post by capesox on May 15, 2024 18:25:45 GMT -5
Marcus Morris keeping the Cavs in the game. Didn't have that on my bingo card for tonight, but they need to adjust while he is hot.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 18:30:34 GMT -5
Sloppy Cs so far tonight - Jaylen in his handle losing mood. So, so weird
10 min, 3 points, 2 turnovers for Jaylen
Cle is playing harder than we are - not particularly impressed with the Cs effort in the 1Q
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Post by rjp313jr on May 15, 2024 18:40:49 GMT -5
If we go by winshares which might not be perfect like war, but best we have. Players peak way before late 20's and early 30s. I looked at MJ, LeBron and Horford to add in not an all-time great. They all peaked age 23/24 and only MJ wasn't on the decline once he hit age 30. Now every player is different. Went and looked at KG, Pierce, Allen, Rondo, KG has the latest peak at age 25 of all the players. So while it's a very limited sample that's 5 HOF players and a maybe in Horford. The type of caliber player Tatum is. Even trying to find the late guys like Butler and Nash, were at age 25 and 28. Nash looks more like the Unicorn than the average. Looked at Curry and Jokic. Good chance we are at the start of Tatums peak years, though I'll certainly hold out hope he's like Nash and has another level in him a few years from now. The average from what I'm seeing of players like Tatum isn't late 20s into early 30s. To be fair i didn’t read this entire study. Player performance statistics data was collected from ESPN and analyzed to help determine at what age players reach their prime productivity levels for a team. The findings suggest that the prime performing age of NBA players is between 27 and 31 years old, with a slight decline in performance after the age of 32. digitalcommons.bryant.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1223&context=eeb#:~:text=Player%20performance%20statistics%20data%20was,after%20the%20age%20of%2032. I think we’d all agree there’s a lot more than statistical performance when it comes to being a winning player. Jordan is a good example of this as he was a better player when he was winning all those chips than he was in his early/mid 20s. Why? Because he was more intelligent.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 18:50:29 GMT -5
So it is going to be Horford slinging 3s for our offense? Or driving into coverage?
Cs are in front of a home crowd, they can close it out - and show up and decide to loaf it on D and not move the ball?
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Post by capesox on May 15, 2024 18:53:46 GMT -5
So it is going to be Horford slinging 3s for our offense? Or driving into coverage? Cs are in front of a home crowd, they can close it out - and show up and decide to loaf it on D and not move the ball? If Horford hitting 3s is the offensive plan, they are in trouble.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 18:55:44 GMT -5
Are we really going to let Morris single handedly extend this series?
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 19:08:06 GMT -5
Horford and White have been really important to the lead - Tatum and Brown are finally deciding to show up. Just a weird first half of basketball.
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Post by rjp313jr on May 15, 2024 19:08:26 GMT -5
NBA refs are so soft… calling that a T… cmon man
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Post by capesox on May 15, 2024 19:09:19 GMT -5
So it is going to be Horford slinging 3s for our offense? Or driving into coverage? Cs are in front of a home crowd, they can close it out - and show up and decide to loaf it on D and not move the ball? If Horford hitting 3s is the offensive plan, they are in trouble. Horford had a real nice last 5 minutes. Got to give him his due.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 19:12:58 GMT -5
Well, we are up. My main complaint is that it is this close against a severely depleted team. Morris with 14 is just strange. they need to come out in the third with energy and put the Cavs away. Holiday needs to find a way to get involved in the scoring. Brown with 7 points in 21 minutes isn't good enough either.
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Post by capesox on May 15, 2024 19:18:14 GMT -5
Tatum, Jaylen and Jrue need to get going offensively.
Clev. has had some strange things happen to keep it close, Morris super hot, Derrick White deflection going right to Merrill for a 3. I think Cavs will break if they keep up the intensity and the offense goes on a good 6-minute stretch.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 19:20:14 GMT -5
Tatum, Jaylen and Jrue need to get going offensively. Clev. has had some strange things happen to keep it close, Morris super hot, Derrick White deflection going right to Merrill for a 3. I think Cavs will break if they keep up the intensity and the offense goes on a good 6-minute stretch. We have enough bodies to keep fresh. The Cavs should eventually wear down
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 15, 2024 19:20:31 GMT -5
Why isn't this a blowout?
No Levert, Allen, Porter, and most importantly Mitchell.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 19:22:19 GMT -5
Why isn't this a blowout? It is a feature of the 2024 Celts - not a bug. Killer instinct comes tough for them
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 15, 2024 19:25:50 GMT -5
Why isn't this a blowout? It is a feature of the 2024 Celts - not a bug. Killer instinct comes tough for them They really do love playing down to the competition. At least they have the talent to play up as well.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 19:28:53 GMT -5
We finally my have lift off. Let's see if they can build on this run.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 19:33:59 GMT -5
Jaylen is really a horrendous dribbler. It's like his body repels the ball.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 19:40:45 GMT -5
Cs look gross again in the 3rd - O and D.
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Post by Don Caballero on May 15, 2024 19:41:17 GMT -5
Tillman must be in really terrible condition if he isn’t getting playing time right now.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 15, 2024 19:42:58 GMT -5
We finally my have lift off. Let's see if they can build on this run. Clearly not.
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Post by philarhody on May 15, 2024 19:43:47 GMT -5
Kornet is annoyingly bad right now. He’s only good as a mismatch against smalls.
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