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Post by incandenza on Oct 17, 2023 22:30:35 GMT -5
This is so far the least exciting playoffs since...? I mean a non-Red Sox fan might say the 2018 playoffs was a juggernaut 108 win Boston team winning it all and never even coming close to facing elimination - but it certainly didn’t feel like that at the time! Maybe 2012? Giants sweep Tigers in World Series. Hmm, yeah, 2018 is a contender. Series in the divisional round went 3-1, 3-0, 3-0, 3-1. Then the ALCS was 4-1 but the NLCS went 7 games. And the WS was 4-1 but that one loss was one of the most epic WS games ever. Plus there was a winner-take-all wild card game that went 13 innings.
2023 could end up better than that but it's not on track to so far.
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Post by yuchangclan on Oct 18, 2023 0:33:31 GMT -5
To the tune of “We Like Sportz”: “I miss Schwarber and I don’t care who knows” Damn the analytics. We should have re-signed him. I’d rather have him than Yoshida, ideally both (but that would mean no Turner last year, etc. Butterfly Effect et al.) And I like Yoshida. I loved Schwarber on the Sox and I knew they would miss him. He’s a winner and a leader and always seems to be at his best in the biggest games. I know these things sound like intangibles and cliches, but they are real in a team sport. Meanwhile, Yoshida is about as compelling as a glass of tap water. What an awful guy to splurge on.
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Post by yuchangclan on Oct 18, 2023 0:36:28 GMT -5
With a 108 wRC+, excellent baserunning, and surprisingly lousy defense (-4 OAA, -10 DRS), Trea Turner managed a 3.8 WAR season. I don't think it's crazy to think Story could beat that next year. Even if he gives up some value on offense he could make up a lot on defense. Call me crazy, but I think there are going to be 6 years of “if only Story does this or that, he could actually be pretty good.” I’m not getting my hopes up.
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Post by 0ap0 on Oct 18, 2023 8:26:06 GMT -5
How much (in dollar terms) was David Ortiz’s 2004 postseason worth? All of them.
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Post by 0ap0 on Oct 18, 2023 8:28:41 GMT -5
How much (in dollar terms) was David Ortiz’s 2004 postseason worth? All of them. But this is true in the context of it being David Ortiz and all of the other things he brought to the team. Someone else having Ortiz' 2004 postseason could just as well be Mark Bellhorn.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 18, 2023 8:52:38 GMT -5
With a 108 wRC+, excellent baserunning, and surprisingly lousy defense (-4 OAA, -10 DRS), Trea Turner managed a 3.8 WAR season. I don't think it's crazy to think Story could beat that next year. Even if he gives up some value on offense he could make up a lot on defense. Call me crazy, but I think there are going to be 6 years of “if only Story does this or that, he could actually be pretty good.” I’m not getting my hopes up. How about this: he's at 2.6 WAR in 564 PAs in Boston, a little less than a full season. That's with an 84 wRC+, and with most of his games at 2B. Basically, if he can hit as well as Reese McGuire he's a 3 WAR player.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 18, 2023 8:53:01 GMT -5
But this is true in the context of it being David Ortiz and all of the other things he brought to the team. Someone else having Ortiz' 2004 postseason could just as well be Mark Bellhorn. Bellhorn was horrendous until Game 6 of the ALCS though. After Game 5 of the ALCS he learned how to hit HRs off of fans' chests and he figured out how to nail RF foul poles. It was a nice 3 game stretch and he did have a big 2 run double in Game 2 of the Series, too, but he didnt take over and dominate the postseason the way Ortiz did. I'd say Kiké Hernandez in the 2021 postseason or Todd Walker smacking HRs in the 2003 might be even better parallels.
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Post by 0ap0 on Oct 18, 2023 8:54:45 GMT -5
Yeah, the point was that Bellhorn Bellhorning could've just as easily turned into an Ortizian postseason but it still wouldn't have had nearly the *value* and he'd still just be Bellhorn.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 18, 2023 8:55:11 GMT -5
I mean a non-Red Sox fan might say the 2018 playoffs was a juggernaut 108 win Boston team winning it all and never even coming close to facing elimination - but it certainly didn’t feel like that at the time! Maybe 2012? Giants sweep Tigers in World Series. Hmm, yeah, 2018 is a contender. Series in the divisional round went 3-1, 3-0, 3-0, 3-1. Then the ALCS was 4-1 but the NLCS went 7 games. And the WS was 4-1 but that one loss was one of the most epic WS games ever. Plus there was a winner-take-all wild card game that went 13 innings.
2023 could end up better than that but it's not on track to so far.
The Red Sox series in 2018 weren't particularly competitive, but a lot of the games themselves were great and cane down to the final at-bat. Plus, the NLCS was excellent, it had that really great Rockies-Cubs wild card game, Manny Machado got spun around like a top to end the thing... those playoffs were fantastic. The 2007 ALCS was outstanding but a lot of the rest of stuff was really blah. Colorado swept the LCS, and tree of the four division series were sweeps (Cleveland took four games to beat the Yankees). The playoffs under that structure had a minimum of 24 games and there ended up being only 28. +4 over seven series is pretty rough.
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Post by manfred on Oct 18, 2023 9:55:03 GMT -5
This is so far the least exciting playoffs since...? I’n enjoying it. There are some players doing amazing things. The Phillies games may not be competitive, but that is still exciting if you enjoy great pitching and offensive performances. I’ve loved watching Wheeler/Nola and Harper/Turner/Castellanos/Realmuto.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 18, 2023 9:59:15 GMT -5
wait.. is this not the onion?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 18, 2023 11:49:04 GMT -5
This is so far the least exciting playoffs since...? I’n enjoying it. There are some players doing amazing things. The Phillies games may not be competitive, but that is still exciting if you enjoy great pitching and offensive performances. I’ve loved watching Wheeler/Nola and Harper/Turner/Castellanos/Realmuto. The Phillies are phun. I could really enjoy a Texas/Philly World Series. Even a Phillies / Astros rematch would be interesting. The Phillies look really motivated, like a team with unfinished business from last season, kind of like the 04 Sox after coming close in 03. I could easily enjoy Schwarber and Dombrowski getting another ring. Or I could be happy for Texas Rangers fans for winning their first Series and wiping away the rough 2011 loss. And I could certainly enjoy Eovaldi getting another ring.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 18, 2023 19:02:59 GMT -5
Texas:
7 pitchers out in that bullpen who haven't pitched since September.
5 pitchers is what they've used to get this far. 7 games in 17 days will do that. Too many off days
Edit: yeah, they've done 9 2/3 in past 3 weeks
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 18, 2023 20:02:53 GMT -5
It's the 4th, Scherzer is still in ...
Crazee
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Post by yuchangclan on Oct 18, 2023 21:55:14 GMT -5
This is so far the least exciting playoffs since...? I’n enjoying it. There are some players doing amazing things. The Phillies games may not be competitive, but that is still exciting if you enjoy great pitching and offensive performances. I’ve loved watching Wheeler/Nola and Harper/Turner/Castellanos/Realmuto. This Phillies team is a pleasure to watch. And they might as well be playing an entirely different sport from the Red Sox. It’s nice to see star players playing like stars. It makes me miss the days when the Sox were loaded with the Mannys and Papis and Pedros and Schillings of the world. We were spoiled.
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Post by keninten on Oct 19, 2023 17:30:08 GMT -5
I`m enjoying a good pitchers duel.
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Post by 27th Man on Oct 19, 2023 18:22:23 GMT -5
Gurriel. Fail
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Post by tizzle on Oct 19, 2023 18:38:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I wouldn't have wasted those 4 pitches. Might want that P int he 10th. I would have just called the IBB and not gotten cute.
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Post by shagworthy on Oct 19, 2023 18:52:42 GMT -5
Kimbrel doing his usual.
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Post by 27th Man on Oct 19, 2023 18:54:40 GMT -5
Pavin Smith. Fail
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Oct 19, 2023 18:57:52 GMT -5
Classic Kimbrel
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Post by radiohix on Oct 19, 2023 18:58:31 GMT -5
Kimbrel is such a weapon for opposing teams comes playoffs time lmao
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Post by tizzle on Oct 19, 2023 19:02:30 GMT -5
100%. I get the Gurriel play earlier, but no excuse on Smith's. Didn't come back to haunt them.
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Post by manfred on Oct 19, 2023 19:07:44 GMT -5
As a fan, who would you more dread on the bump: Kimbrel or Kershaw?
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Post by asm19 on Oct 19, 2023 19:40:51 GMT -5
Rangers already down 3-0 in the second inning with Heaney yanked early…
They have literally the only two reliable pitchers on their team, Montgomery and Eovaldi, going Games 5 and 6. I genuinely was wondering earlier if it got to Game 7 if Bochy would just go with Montgomery again on 2 days rest at that point. It has worked in a LCS Game 7 before:
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