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Chris Sale traded to Atlanta for Vaughn Grissom
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jan 2, 2024 22:55:20 GMT -5
Find the discussion around Grissom to be pretty interesting, there is so much to like about him and yet a lot of people are down on him, either his bat or his D, and I find it really weird. He turns 23 in a few days and has a career 107 wRC+ in 236 plate appearances. Among active players that is a higher wRC+ than Rizzo, Bogaerts, Altuve, Luis Robert Jr., Nolan Arenado, Austin Riley, Marcel Ozuna and Bobby Witt Jr. all had through age 22. The fact that he even hit his way to the majors at such a young age is a really, really good sign. If Grissom were any better as a prospect I have to think the Braves would have held onto him.
Maybe this is a superficial comp, but he also kinda seems Bogaerts-like to me? Big-bodied, bat-first, right-handed middle-infielder who's best skill is probably strike zone command and contact rate. I'll take that for sure.
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Post by nomar on Jan 2, 2024 23:23:09 GMT -5
They need good players to be a good team again, and at least this one will be around for the long haul in the event that he is good. The more I’ve thought about it, the more I would like to see them move on from Kenley too. If they aren’t adding Montgomery or Imanaga (leaving their playoff odds low), I would go full youth movement in the pen and cash in on Martin too. While you are right about Kenley(and probably Martin), it really would send a bad signal to the fanbase if both were moved prior to the season. This is a team that has finished in last place 2 years in a row and looks almost certain to go for the hat trick this season. So, while it seems that ownership is content to punt on 2024, being so blatant would not help sell tickets(still be the most expensive in MLB?) or draw viewers to NESN. At a certain point, they need to generate a buzz around this team with SOMETHING. I’m just not sure what that is. I’m not saying to punt. They could sign Stephenson to replace one of those 2, use prospects to flip for a young controller starter, etc. They can still make the team better while cashing in on their players on expiring deals.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jan 3, 2024 1:19:13 GMT -5
One day one writer will have the bold take "What if Kutter Crawford is as good as his FIP and his ERA and his xERA and his pitching modeling stats all suggest?" (which would be an above average pitcher) that would require referencing his underlying statistics, which apparently writers at Fangraphs, of all places, no longer bother doing. Like, seriously, what is going on over there? How in the world are the only statistical references in that write up a joke about Chris Sale’s strikeout rate and a throwaway reference to Vaughn Grissom’s wRC+ projection next year? I used to read everything they published because of how rigorous and informative their stuff was. Now it’s no different than what you read on any other sports blog. My kingdom for Jeff Sullivan back… Thank you for this. I also pretty much stopped reading FG articles a few years ago and only visit the site for certain stats. So much of their talent got swallowed by MLB front offices all at once and the replacements don't hold a candle (I'll still dip into some Longenhagen when I want a fix of postmodern scout lingo, though). Just add them to the long list of pundits sleeping on the 2024 BOS rotation. Between Pivetta, Bello, and Crawford (and Houck if the Breslow-Bailey Pitching Academy faculty figure out how he gets lefties out), there are going to be a lot of surprised pundits next summer claiming that no one could've seen them coming.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 3, 2024 5:46:48 GMT -5
He's gonna be popular....
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 3, 2024 6:41:59 GMT -5
He's gonna be popular.... But the fangraphs FV though...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 3, 2024 8:35:22 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 3, 2024 8:49:04 GMT -5
Can't understate how much I love reading this right here. Sure game action is good but defense camp with one of the best defensive MI's in the game who is also his double play partner? Can only help Grissom out, if Grissom can just learn to field at an average level this trade might end up being a fleecing in a few years when we look back. That is the hope anyway, either way still a fan of the deal assuming that Sale is adequately replaced in the rotation and no Giolito is not adequate in my eyes.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 3, 2024 9:12:50 GMT -5
After watching the Ron Washington video about working with Grissom, I wondered who'd take on that role for Boston. Now we know!
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Post by cdj on Jan 3, 2024 9:56:47 GMT -5
Love that Story has a defense training camp
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Jan 3, 2024 10:11:26 GMT -5
Did anyone watch Baseball is Dead Podcast Yesterday? Carribas or however the hell you spell his name, mentioned something about the Sox look into trading Trevor Story
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Post by boylstonbarhopper on Jan 3, 2024 10:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 3, 2024 10:20:17 GMT -5
Uh. I do not see anyone else reporting that other than this fan account
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 3, 2024 10:21:25 GMT -5
Did anyone watch Baseball is Dead Podcast Yesterday? Carribas or however the hell you spell his name, mentioned something about the Sox look into trading Trevor Story Would not shock me, new regime in charge that didn't sign him. If there is any truth to the report from the other day that the Sox were still trying to shed salary Story is about the only left other than Rafi that would cut a big chunk off the payroll and good luck getting anyone to sign in Boston again if they did flip Rafi one year into the deal. That being said good luck finding a taker for Story without paying a significant chunk of the deal and even so then who plays SS? I have no desire to see anything approaching what we saw last year defensively until Story came back, that was a borderline circus act.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Jan 3, 2024 10:25:44 GMT -5
I think Story is gonna have a good solid year , id keep him , I trust what Breslow is doing so far , I like his moves , some creativity
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Post by asm19 on Jan 3, 2024 10:31:09 GMT -5
Did anyone watch Baseball is Dead Podcast Yesterday? Carribas or however the hell you spell his name, mentioned something about the Sox look into trading Trevor Story Would not shock me, new regime in charge that didn't sign him. If there is any truth to the report from the other day that the Sox were still trying to shed salary Story is about the only left other than Rafi that would cut a big chunk off the payroll and good luck getting anyone to sign in Boston again if they did flip Rafi one year into the deal. That being said good luck finding a taker for Story without paying a significant chunk of the deal and even so then who plays SS? I have no desire to see anything approaching what we saw last year defensively until Story came back, that was a borderline circus act. Carrabis clarified on Twitter that it wasn't "scoop shop" - it was rumors he had seen online. He was a bit heated on the podcast talking about Kenley Jansen being traded when he mentioned Story, and I think just didn't make that clear when he said it. One of my low key favorite Chris Sale memories: During his own press conference on his extension in 2019, he alluded to Rick Porcello needing a contract extension as well, and then like glares at Dombrowski right next to him and is like, "Right?" Dombrowski quickly is like, "No question." Gotta appreciate looking out for your boys!
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jan 3, 2024 10:33:21 GMT -5
Did anyone watch Baseball is Dead Podcast Yesterday? Carribas or however the hell you spell his name, mentioned something about the Sox look into trading Trevor Story He's since said he's not heard that, he only saw a rando account on twitter mention it, whatever that means. While I'm 100% sure every single significant person in the organization has had their trade market temperature checked in the last month, when I asked about Story last night, I got a "that would be incredibly dumb" message back.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Jan 3, 2024 10:49:36 GMT -5
Ok good , he seems to have a great source lately, he knows shit going on , I really don’t want to trade story
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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 3, 2024 11:14:10 GMT -5
Look at the moves Breslow is making . It’s so clear he is behind he is doing Bloom work . So he is cleaning up the moves Bloom should have already did. This guy is behind. So obvious to me. He gas to spend time on that . I admit I was at the beginning aggravated . But looking now I’m seeing a better picture . Man Bloom really needed to be removed here.
I can’t stand Tony Mazz. But I was listening to him. He mad because we’re pitching Pennie’s. We’re not operating like a top franchise. But lowkey . If u listen to him he loves what Breslow is doing . He said this is what Bloom job was . Bloom put this franchise behind. This last part is my opinion. I guess the Spring move trade to Tampa made Bloom gun shy. Whatever.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jan 3, 2024 11:15:14 GMT -5
Did anyone watch Baseball is Dead Podcast Yesterday? Carribas or however the hell you spell his name, mentioned something about the Sox look into trading Trevor Story He's since said he's not heard that, he only saw a rando account on twitter mention it, whatever that means. While I'm 100% sure every single significant person in the organization has had their trade market temperature checked in the last month, when I asked about Story last night, I got a "that would be incredibly dumb" message back. I think this would be a super dumb move to make *right now*, but if Mayer re-establishes himself this upcoming season I think it should absolutely be a consideration next offseason, and was surprised it really wasn’t mentioned on the pod when discussing the future of the MIF.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 3, 2024 11:18:22 GMT -5
This is what a planetary communication network looks like. Just as Amazon is the global emporium, and EBay the global flea market, so Twitter is the global back fence. If you want to see yourself as a viable news source, why rely on the sort of rumor-mongering that pervades that channel? Bizarre.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 3, 2024 11:29:50 GMT -5
I would trade Story in a heartbeat if a team would take his full salary or close to it for a bag of baseballs to be honest. I do think his defense can keep him afloat around a 2 fWAR type of guy through the remainder of his contract but it feels like his contract could be better spent elsewhere, his bat worries me.
Only problem is there is next to nothing available for FA SS and they have nothing in house until Mayer is ready which could be as early as some point next year or maybe never so they'd have to turn around and go after a SS via trade which usually aren't exactly given away.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jan 3, 2024 11:33:32 GMT -5
He's since said he's not heard that, he only saw a rando account on twitter mention it, whatever that means. While I'm 100% sure every single significant person in the organization has had their trade market temperature checked in the last month, when I asked about Story last night, I got a "that would be incredibly dumb" message back. I think this would be a super dumb move to make *right now*, but if Mayer re-establishes himself this upcoming season I think it should absolutely be a consideration next offseason, and was surprised it really wasn’t mentioned on the pod when discussing the future of the MIF. We should be so lucky to live in a world where Story, Mayer and Grissom are solid major league infielders are a year from now. I would call that one of those good problems.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 3, 2024 11:38:51 GMT -5
All of that makes sense but the great unknown is Mayer as you point out. I suppose they could decide Rafaela can make use of that bag of balls as he takes his tour around the diamond - with an extended stay at SS. That seems like a stretch.
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Post by 0ap0 on Jan 3, 2024 11:45:33 GMT -5
I would trade Story in a heartbeat if a team would take his full salary or close to it for a bag of baseballs to be honest. I do think his defense can keep him afloat around a 2 fWAR type of guy through the remainder of his contract but it feels like his contract could be better spent elsewhere, his bat worries me. Only problem is there is next to nothing available for FA SS and they have nothing in house until Mayer is ready which could be as early as some point next year or maybe never so they'd have to turn around and go after a SS via trade which usually aren't exactly given away. You seem to be saying he's both too expensive and irreplaceable. And as a team that isn't especially salary-constrained but really needs additional MI defense, "over"-spending on a SS with a high defensive floor is just fine by me.
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Post by nomar on Jan 3, 2024 11:49:32 GMT -5
All of that makes sense but the great unknown is Mayer as you point out. I suppose they could decide Rafaela can make use of that bag of balls as he takes his tour around the diamond - with an extended stay at SS. That seems like a stretch. Agreed on Mayer which is why I’d love to get their honest view of him internally. The biggest cause of caution for me is his K%, so I am curious if how big of an issue Breslow & co see it as in regards to his hit tool.
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