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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 16, 2024 16:14:50 GMT -5
Like I said before first game, Eagles lost their top 5 tacklers on D from last year. That's not easy to replace in one season. But didn't the D get worse after the switch to Patricia? That seems to be the word going around. By what measure? The guy got sacked because the 3 games prior the gave up 109 points or 36.3 points a game. We have someone on here blaming Patricia for a game they lost because they gave up 20 points. Lots of things play into D, injuries, turnovers and how your offense does. Playoff game for example they were down their leading tackler at SS and their top backup S. The offense was crap and a bunch of games with a lot of turnovers. They couldn't run the ball which allows D to rest and keep offense off the field. Matt Patricia is a very good defensive coach, guy isn't a miracle worker. I'd say blame the GM for not retaining any of the team's top5 tacklers, it was clearly a huge issue.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 16, 2024 16:48:48 GMT -5
But didn't the D get worse after the switch to Patricia? That seems to be the word going around. By what measure? The guy got sacked because the 3 games prior the gave up 109 points or 36.3 points a game. We have someone on here blaming Patricia for a game they lost because they gave up 20 points. Lots of things play into D, injuries, turnovers and how your offense does. Playoff game for example they were down their leading tackler at SS and their top backup S. The offense was crap and a bunch of games with a lot of turnovers. They couldn't run the ball which allows D to rest and keep offense off the field. Matt Patricia is a very good defensive coach, guy isn't a miracle worker. I'd say blame the GM for not retaining any of the team's top5 tacklers, it was clearly a huge issue. RG3 doesn't seem to be a fan of Patricia There's articles coming out promoting the idea of firing Patricia. fansided.com/posts/4-philadelphia-eagles-who-won-t-be-back-in-2024-after-total-collapse-01hm85gvgvv2But less anecdotally, the Eagles lost three of their last four which were with Patricia calling the defensive plays. YPG: Sean Desai 353.9 Matt Patricia 363.3 PPG: Sean Desai 24.7 Matt Patricia 26.8 They got completely smoked by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who were 19th in PPG (22.1) and were 18.0 over their last 3. They were actually worse at home this year at 19.3 PPG. They were also 22nd in YPG at 319.3. Tampa went off for 426 yards, had zero turn overs, and gave up 30 points to the offense. I don't think he's going to be retained by the Eagles, even though he was put in a bit of an unfair situation.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 16, 2024 17:29:43 GMT -5
By what measure? The guy got sacked because the 3 games prior the gave up 109 points or 36.3 points a game. We have someone on here blaming Patricia for a game they lost because they gave up 20 points. Lots of things play into D, injuries, turnovers and how your offense does. Playoff game for example they were down their leading tackler at SS and their top backup S. The offense was crap and a bunch of games with a lot of turnovers. They couldn't run the ball which allows D to rest and keep offense off the field. Matt Patricia is a very good defensive coach, guy isn't a miracle worker. I'd say blame the GM for not retaining any of the team's top5 tacklers, it was clearly a huge issue. RG3 doesn't seem to be a fan of Patricia There's articles coming out promoting the idea of firing Patricia. fansided.com/posts/4-philadelphia-eagles-who-won-t-be-back-in-2024-after-total-collapse-01hm85gvgvv2But less anecdotally, the Eagles lost three of their last four which were with Patricia calling the defensive plays. YPG: Sean Desai 353.9 Matt Patricia 363.3 PPG: Sean Desai 24.7 Matt Patricia 26.8 They got completely smoked by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who were 19th in PPG (22.1) and were 18.0 over their last 3. They were actually worse at home this year at 19.3 PPG. They were also 22nd in YPG at 319.3. Tampa went off for 426 yards, had zero turn overs, and gave up 30 points to the offense. I don't think he's going to be retained by the Eagles, even though he was put in a bit of an unfair situation. Changing roles in season isn’t always the easiest thing.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 16, 2024 18:47:46 GMT -5
RG3 doesn't seem to be a fan of Patricia There's articles coming out promoting the idea of firing Patricia. fansided.com/posts/4-philadelphia-eagles-who-won-t-be-back-in-2024-after-total-collapse-01hm85gvgvv2But less anecdotally, the Eagles lost three of their last four which were with Patricia calling the defensive plays. YPG: Sean Desai 353.9 Matt Patricia 363.3 PPG: Sean Desai 24.7 Matt Patricia 26.8 They got completely smoked by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who were 19th in PPG (22.1) and were 18.0 over their last 3. They were actually worse at home this year at 19.3 PPG. They were also 22nd in YPG at 319.3. Tampa went off for 426 yards, had zero turn overs, and gave up 30 points to the offense. I don't think he's going to be retained by the Eagles, even though he was put in a bit of an unfair situation. Changing roles in season isn’t always the easiest thing. I would agree, but the Eagles clearly thought Patricia was up to the task and it had the opposite effect. They probably should have started with him after the season. Now he's likely to get fired over it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 16, 2024 20:02:04 GMT -5
Changing roles in season isn’t always the easiest thing. I would agree, but the Eagles clearly thought Patricia was up to the task and it had the opposite effect. They probably should have started with him after the season. Now he's likely to get fired over it. Did it have the opposite effect or did it have no effect and the downward trend just held?
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Post by cdj on Jan 16, 2024 20:20:31 GMT -5
Knew the eagles were frauds since week 1 when our scrub ass team should have beaten them
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 17, 2024 9:58:47 GMT -5
I would agree, but the Eagles clearly thought Patricia was up to the task and it had the opposite effect. They probably should have started with him after the season. Now he's likely to get fired over it. Did it have the opposite effect or did it have no effect and the downward trend just held? I guess we'll have to see how the Eagles feel about it, but it sounds like they're leaning towards cleaning house. Though, if they pursue Bill, Patricia is likely safe until Bill signs somewhere.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 17, 2024 10:15:40 GMT -5
I do love how panicked we (I) were for resolution on Bill so we didn't lose the market, but the Eagles and Cowboys are a week later still pondering their staff retention. I don't know how the new rules affect it but obviously Mayo has been the only hire (I think by rule) and I haven't seen any rumors of frontrunners and whatnot ANYWHERE.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 17, 2024 10:44:42 GMT -5
I do love how panicked we (I) were for resolution on Bill so we didn't lose the market, but the Eagles and Cowboys are a week later still pondering their staff retention. I don't know how the new rules affect it but obviously Mayo has been the only hire (I think by rule) and I haven't seen any rumors of frontrunners and whatnot ANYWHERE. Bill just interviewed with the Falcons and the Cowboys and Eagles just got eliminated and are probably gauging their odds to land Bill, Harbaugh, or Carroll and if not them, would Vrabel or whomever else available be a net positive or are they better off just running it back another year. I think the Cowboys would be silly to retain Mike McCarthy. Still, for the teams that just got eliminated it's foolish to make a move right after an elimination. You want to make sure you remove all emotion and logically calculate what's best for the organization. If I were an owner I would wait at least a week as well before making a decision.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2024 11:13:43 GMT -5
I do love how panicked we (I) were for resolution on Bill so we didn't lose the market, but the Eagles and Cowboys are a week later still pondering their staff retention. I don't know how the new rules affect it but obviously Mayo has been the only hire (I think by rule) and I haven't seen any rumors of frontrunners and whatnot ANYWHERE. Bill just interviewed with the Falcons and the Cowboys and Eagles just got eliminated and are probably gauging their odds to land Bill, Harbaugh, or Carroll and if not them, would Vrabel or whomever else available be a net positive or are they better off just running it back another year. I think the Cowboys would be silly to retain Mike McCarthy. Still, for the teams that just got eliminated it's foolish to make a move right after an elimination. You want to make sure you remove all emotion and logically calculate what's best for the organization. If I were an owner I would wait at least a week as well before making a decision. I thought Carroll was leaving coaching and moving to a front office position in Seattle. Is that not accurate? Guys old - he should retire… Bill too but he wants that record.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 17, 2024 11:52:01 GMT -5
Bill just interviewed with the Falcons and the Cowboys and Eagles just got eliminated and are probably gauging their odds to land Bill, Harbaugh, or Carroll and if not them, would Vrabel or whomever else available be a net positive or are they better off just running it back another year. I think the Cowboys would be silly to retain Mike McCarthy. Still, for the teams that just got eliminated it's foolish to make a move right after an elimination. You want to make sure you remove all emotion and logically calculate what's best for the organization. If I were an owner I would wait at least a week as well before making a decision. I thought Carroll was leaving coaching and moving to a front office position in Seattle. Is that not accurate? Guys old - he should retire… Bill too but he wants that record. That's right. He's moving into an "advisory" position for Seattle.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 17, 2024 14:03:56 GMT -5
I thought Carroll was leaving coaching and moving to a front office position in Seattle. Is that not accurate? Guys old - he should retire… Bill too but he wants that record. That's right. He's moving into an "advisory" position for Seattle. If he want's to coach they're not gonna stop him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 17, 2024 14:45:34 GMT -5
That's right. He's moving into an "advisory" position for Seattle. If he want's to coach they're not gonna stop him. I don’t disagree but he’s 72 (73 in September), the way the move went down, it seemed like he was stepping away not getting fired. Most fired coaches don’t end up in the FO of the same team.
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Post by foreverred9 on Jan 17, 2024 20:09:21 GMT -5
Time to change our picks again...
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 17, 2024 20:21:51 GMT -5
Time to change our picks again... But they looked so ready for the Packers.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 17, 2024 20:25:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure I can understand how Jones can rationalize keeping Mccarthy after that performance. That's crazy to me. Pretty funny stuff.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 17, 2024 20:26:46 GMT -5
I never changed my vote! Still on Falcons, still in the game!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 17, 2024 22:39:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure I can understand how Jones can rationalize keeping Mccarthy after that performance. That's crazy to me. Pretty funny stuff. Only thing I can think of is if he called Bill and whomever else and they told them they didn't have any interest. That and Jerry felt the rest of the field wasn't as good as McCarthy. Which I still find to be nuts.
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Post by cdj on Jan 18, 2024 12:39:09 GMT -5
2nd interview with Atlanta, seems like that may be the place
They’ll purchase Kirk Cousins and will have a good team
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 18, 2024 12:43:31 GMT -5
2nd interview with Atlanta, seems like that may be the place They’ll purchase Kirk Cousins and will have a good team What a boring outcome. I don't get why he's even that interested in the job other than the division is soft. The team doesn't have much talent. Cowboys, Eagles or Chargers would be perfect, but I get why facing Mahomes twice a year could be a headache. Maybe no one really has interest in Bill.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 18, 2024 12:49:07 GMT -5
2nd interview with Atlanta, seems like that may be the place They’ll purchase Kirk Cousins and will have a good team What a boring outcome. I don't get why he's even that interested in the job other than the division is soft. The team doesn't have much talent. Cowboys, Eagles or Chargers would be perfect, but I get why facing Mahomes twice a year could be a headache. Maybe no one really has interest in Bill. I don't know that I agree with this, they have a solid trio of young playmakers at skill positions in London/Robinson/Pitts and their oline is pretty solid. Their defense needs some help but AJ Terrell is good and theoretically Bill should help boost that defense with his scheming. They need a QB to be successful as does any team, add a Cousins or take a flier on a Fields and all of a sudden they could be in a good spot.
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Post by cdj on Jan 18, 2024 12:56:26 GMT -5
2nd interview with Atlanta, seems like that may be the place They’ll purchase Kirk Cousins and will have a good team What a boring outcome. I don't get why he's even that interested in the job other than the division is soft. The team doesn't have much talent. Cowboys, Eagles or Chargers would be perfect, but I get why facing Mahomes twice a year could be a headache. Maybe no one really has interest in Bill. On offense they have a ton of skill position talent and they have a top half of the league defense that should improve with BB- they’re a QB away from winning a lot of games imo
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 18, 2024 13:07:48 GMT -5
Atlanta was 26th in PPG and 17th in PPGA. They were roughly 25% of their offensive drives resulted in 3 and out. Maybe giving their defense not a lot of credit because it's the and percentage in reverse. If your offense stinks then you're giving the ball to the other team more often which will lead to more points regardless of talent.
Granted, Pitts is a great talent, but they're in the same position as the Patriots QB-wise. Patriots could use Cousins. I'm assuming the Vikings could as well. The Bears might keep Fields and swap picks with either Washington or New England, get an extra 2nd rounder and draft MHJ.
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Jan 18, 2024 16:08:59 GMT -5
There was always a zero percent chance that BB would’ve gone to the Cowboys, regardless of what happened with McCarthy. Absolutely no way that Bill could work with a control freak like Jerry. Every coach they’ve had since Parcells have all been mediocre yes-men
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 18, 2024 16:21:41 GMT -5
There was always a zero percent chance that BB would’ve gone to the Cowboys, regardless of what happened with McCarthy. Absolutely no way that Bill could work with a control freak like Jerry. Every coach they’ve had since Parcells have all been mediocre yes-men Fair point, the problem with the Cowboys lies at the very top. I don't see anything changing for that organization until Jerry is no longer in the picture, which he's not going to relinquish until he's buried. Harbaugh would have been the same as Bill, they would not have gotten along and probably would have gone sour sooner than later.
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