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Post by James Dunne on Feb 2, 2024 10:54:25 GMT -5
I'm shocked. I think this is good? Doesn't sound like he'll be all that involved in baseball ops, but the prodigal son has finally returned home. Happy to have a successful hometown guy join the ownership group. Hopefully he takes over as principal owner one day, but I have a hard time seeing that happen. Not sure how those mechanisms work, given the vast wealth of Kennedy, Werner, etc. I'm confused, though, because Kennedy was adamant in November that Theo wasn't walking through that door. I suppose he meant re: baseball ops, but it seems odd in retrospect. Did anything change over the winter? Just saying, Theo’s hardly been prodigal in his years away from the team. Regardless, I’m gonna guess that what changed was Theo decided to hand someone a big sack of cash in order to get in on the FSG gravy train. He didn't do the job with the Cubs that he did with the Red Sox, but he gets a weird lack of credit for his time there, I guess because the expectations were so huge. Look at that team in 2011 that he inherited - old, not very good, and not exactly a strong system coming in behind him. This was their top prospects list: www.mlb.com/prospects/2011/cubs/ Then they were consistently excellent from 2015 through 2018. And even the bad signings that he got crushed for were a lot better than most teams's misses. Darvish was worth 12.2 bWAR over his six year deal, so not a value but hardly a killer. He'd been one of the best pitchers in the COVID year and then two weeks after Theo left the Cubs tried to sell high on him but it kinda backfired. The Heyward contract was worse (9.0 bWAR over seven years before getting cut), but he'd been one of the best players in the game and he was headed into his age 26 season. The bat went dead in a way that nobody expect. Overall, he did a great job there.
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Post by iamnotluistiant on Feb 2, 2024 10:54:27 GMT -5
Great Theo is back but do you think he's in good enough shape to be a starting pitcher?
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Post by yuchangclan on Feb 2, 2024 10:55:19 GMT -5
Red Sox finally committed to bringing in Hall Of Fame talent. I love it.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 2, 2024 10:55:53 GMT -5
Gammons is framing as Epstein stepping in as Henry focuses on his other ventures. I’m not sure if that’s true but I’m all for it if so Makes sense why the team did absolutely nothing the last month or so. So Theo is the real Ops boss then...
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Feb 2, 2024 11:21:10 GMT -5
Feels like just a stepping stone until he becomes the next commissioner Curious why you would think this? If anything I would think just keeping his current position in the MLB offices would have been more a stepping stone than joining the FSG ownership group. Also it's not like Manfred is terribly old and doesn't seem likely to me to be jettisoned so don't see him going anywhere until he decides to retire which could be 10-15 years from now for all we know. I'm with @bellhorn because the commish position is basically the owners' representative; they vote to choose him/her. Getting ownership "experience" gives them one more reason to vote for you. The rest of his resume speaks for itself. Either way, it's a great day in RSN.
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 2, 2024 11:22:54 GMT -5
Oh no, Theo quit his job making new rules for baseball
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 2, 2024 11:26:57 GMT -5
I'm a little skeptical that this does anything to drastically change ownership's willingness (or lack thereof) to spend, but definitely feel more confident in whatever the strategic vision ends up becoming.
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Post by jphelan on Feb 2, 2024 11:27:20 GMT -5
Saying Theo is in the ownership group seems vague to me. How is this different than an employee at a company getting a stock grant?
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Feb 2, 2024 11:28:27 GMT -5
Just having him around is a positive , I think this is big to get this franchise back to where it deserves to be
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Feb 2, 2024 11:29:47 GMT -5
it feels very much like they approached Theo during their search and he said "No, thanks. Been there, done that; I want to be your peer, not your employee," and they said, "Okay, this is how much it costs to buy in," and he spent the last few months consolidating his finances. He also surely gave CB2 a glowing recommendation (I think Gammons has either reported or intimated as much).
When he left Boston, he openly coveted Lucchino's position. Now he's the new Lucchino and Breslow is the new Theo, except it appears that they'll get along.
Restoration.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 2, 2024 11:36:25 GMT -5
I don't get any feelings about this. Just doubt it moves the needle unless his ownership stake makes him see how a good team is better for business than a mediocre team.
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Feb 2, 2024 11:37:44 GMT -5
I’ll tell you how it effects me , it makes me happy and has brought a ray of light to a dark situation that has become the Red Sox , some excitement and buzz , Theo is a winner
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Post by dcb26 on Feb 2, 2024 11:41:50 GMT -5
Also to everyone saying maybe he'll replace Kennedy, why would Theo want that job? You think he wants to think about maximizing revenue and marketing plans and all the other aspects of a team outside of the baseball? In whatever time he is dedicating to the Red Sox I hope he is only (or at least primarily) concerned with on-field matters. Yes, I absolutely do. If you read his quotes, and the articles about this, it sounds like that's exactly what he wants to do - grow the scope of his focus beyond on-field baseball concerns. I agree that this doesn't necessarily mean a change in Kennedy's role, but I see no reason to believe this isn't a chance for Theo to learn more about being an owner, which he has been up-front about being interested in for years. The realist in me says this is mostly PR for FSG than anything else - it's a part time role with vague responsibilities and he will be keeping both his consulting job and at least some form of participation with MLB rules committee. That said, Theo does NOT strike me as the type of person who would be content with being a puppet or a figurehead. I figure he will have a real input with FSG - how much of it has to do with the Red Sox remains to be seen, but its hard to imagine, at least at first, that won't be a primary focus.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 2, 2024 11:42:26 GMT -5
I don't get any feelings about this. Just doubt it moves the needle unless his ownership stake makes him see how a good team is better for business than a mediocre team. It surely doesn't make a lackluster offseason and few year span suddenly bright and rosy now but I think there is real reason for optimism that this can move the needle for the team. If Gammons tweet has any sort of validity that JH is busy with the other FSG endeavors and that Theo is returning as a part owner and advisor to the baseball side of the FSG portfolio that could have rather large benefits in my opinion. Put another way if JH is kind of out of the picture for the baseball ops, who would you rather have as the top dog of the Boston Red Sox in terms of executives/owners. Werner, Kennedy or Theo? Theo would seem to be the clear answer right there. I am interested to see though, maybe it is purely just advisory role in FSG and he bought into a small ownership stake and won't really have much if any involvement other than a sounding board for Breslow. Either way even that type of role for Theo is a plus for the Red Sox.
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Post by swingingbunt on Feb 2, 2024 11:43:50 GMT -5
I don't get any feelings about this. Just doubt it moves the needle unless his ownership stake makes him see how a good team is better for business than a mediocre team. This. I'm so bitter with the Red Sox right now that I can't even enjoy when good things happen. Like, part of me wants to be happy about this, but the other part feels bad that Theo is now brought into this mess.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Feb 2, 2024 11:44:52 GMT -5
So, what is Sportico and why did they choose Brendan Coffey as the guy to break the news to? Don't they own NESN and the Globe?
Interesting quote though from Theo's interview: "Anyone who knows me well knows that I've always been passionate about motor sports and I'm proud that my primary role and really all my time will be devoted to overseeing RFK Racing and advising FSG on how to grow RFK into the greatest racing team ever assembled."
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Feb 2, 2024 11:47:08 GMT -5
www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/theo-epstein-rejoins-red-sox-as-part-owner-senior-advisor-with-fenway-sports-group-unique-opportunity/"This is truly a unique opportunity for me -- a chance to partner with people who mean a lot to me; a chance to challenge myself in new arenas; and a chance to use my experience and perspective to help others succeed and win at the highest level.
"In this role, I will not be the one making decisions; rather, I'll be the one asking questions, offering opinions, building trust, and supporting the terrific people at FSG to help us reach new heights."Hopefully, the first stop will be coffee with Sam and Craig. First question will be, so why are we not spending up to the cap ? . First recommendation will be come on guys, spend that damn money before its to late.
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Post by puzzler on Feb 2, 2024 11:48:28 GMT -5
So, what is Sportico and why did they choose Brendan Coffey as the guy to break the news to? Don't they own NESN and the Globe? Interesting quote though from Theo's interview: "Anyone who knows me well knows that I've always been passionate about motor sports and I'm proud that my primary role and really all my time will be devoted to overseeing RFK Racing and advising FSG on how to grow RFK into the greatest racing team ever assembled."Yeah, I don't think Theo is going to be spending pretty much any time on the Red Sox. This is FSG news, not Red Sox news.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 2, 2024 11:50:28 GMT -5
Delighted!😀
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Post by awalkinthepark on Feb 2, 2024 11:51:20 GMT -5
So, what is Sportico and why did they choose Brendan Coffey as the guy to break the news to? Don't they own NESN and the Globe? Interesting quote though from Theo's interview: "Anyone who knows me well knows that I've always been passionate about motor sports and I'm proud that my primary role and really all my time will be devoted to overseeing RFK Racing and advising FSG on how to grow RFK into the greatest racing team ever assembled."Yeah, I don't think Theo is going to be spending pretty much any time on the Red Sox. This is FSG news, not Red Sox news. You think the guy that has spent his entire life working in baseball is not going to focus on the baseball team that he is now a part owner of?
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Post by chaimtime on Feb 2, 2024 11:51:36 GMT -5
Seeing some people online convince themselves that John Henry has given Theo a stake in FSG for free, solely to appease the pink hats. I am fascinated by the internal turmoil that must be causing such distorted thinking.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Feb 2, 2024 11:52:47 GMT -5
I don't get any feelings about this. Just doubt it moves the needle unless his ownership stake makes him see how a good team is better for business than a mediocre team. This. I'm so bitter with the Red Sox right now that I can't even enjoy when good things happen. Like, part of me wants to be happy about this, but the other part feels bad that Theo is now brought into this mess. Yikes. Tough crowd. People have been calling for Henry and Werner to sell the club and this is about as close as you're going to get that that. Personally, I'm all about the laundry and it's hard not to see how bringing Theo back will improve the product on the field over time.
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 2, 2024 11:53:24 GMT -5
So, what is Sportico and why did they choose Brendan Coffey as the guy to break the news to? Don't they own NESN and the Globe? Interesting quote though from Theo's interview: "Anyone who knows me well knows that I've always been passionate about motor sports and I'm proud that my primary role and really all my time will be devoted to overseeing RFK Racing and advising FSG on how to grow RFK into the greatest racing team ever assembled."Yeah, I don't think Theo is going to be spending pretty much any time on the Red Sox. This is FSG news, not Red Sox news. So he is onboard to advise about Motor Sport Racing and not Baseball
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Post by ghostofjuanpena on Feb 2, 2024 11:55:28 GMT -5
To think he’s not gonna spend any time with baseball related decisions is ridiculous, the negativity on this board sucks , this is a positive development
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Feb 2, 2024 11:56:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think Theo is going to be spending pretty much any time on the Red Sox. This is FSG news, not Red Sox news. So he is onboard to advise about Motor Sport Racing and not Baseball Sam, Craig, This is Theo, meet me at the race track today. I have a few questions for you !!
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