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Post by wamderingdude on Feb 13, 2024 0:26:28 GMT -5
Chris Cotillo had a tweet the said privately the red sox point to overall spending being in the top 5 even if Major league payroll is lower and it got me thinking. Where does a baseball organization gain the most value? The way i look at it you can break down spending three ways. Player Development (analytics, equipment and amenities, coaching staffs), player acquisition (scouting departments, front offices), and Major league payroll. It’s obviously easy to say paying better players = more value, but looking at a team like the rays you could argue that getting the best out of players can be more valuable than just outbidding teams for players. A fun scenario to think about (inspired by zack scott’s appearance on fenway rundown) Is if you were the POBO of the Red Sox, and Henry gave you a 400 million dollar budget how would you allocate resources in these areas? Let’s assume you need a 50 million dollar minimum in each area, so you have 250 million to allocate to player dev, player acquisition and major league payroll. How do you allocate these resources? I would go:
ML Payroll : 200
Player development: 125
Player acquisition: 75
I think being able to get the best out of players and emphasis on player development is a bigger driver of success than most fans realize, and if the red sox are putting a bigger focus this offseason on Development it’s hard to argue with them.
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Post by gerry on Feb 13, 2024 2:32:39 GMT -5
Agree with your reasoning BUT if it takes 225 or 235 to field a winning team in 2024 as the players and systems develop (and instill 2024 player/prospect/FO/fan/media confidence, pride and winning attitudes in the process) then spend the extra money now. Go over budget for a year to jump start the whole thing. It will ensure you can win with 200M or less and a fully operational organization in the near future. Penny wise seldom works.
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Post by wamderingdude on Feb 13, 2024 14:59:13 GMT -5
Agree with your reasoning BUT if it takes 225 or 235 to field a winning team in 2024 as the players and systems develop (and instill 2024 player/prospect/FO/fan/media confidence, pride and winning attitudes in the process) then spend the extra money now. Go over budget for a year to jump start the whole thing. It will ensure you can win with 200M or less and a fully operational organization in the near future. Penny wise seldom works. Definitely and i can see where that thought process comes from. I’m guessing that the FO feels like that extra money wouldn’t impact the playoff odds all that much so it might be better to use it on the infrastructure? It’s hard, because at some point there has to be diminishing returns but it’s probably very hard to find that line. |
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Post by wOBA Fett on Feb 14, 2024 21:23:34 GMT -5
Fun fact, the Red Sox are close to becoming a revenue sharing team. Cutoff score is 100
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Post by gerry on Feb 14, 2024 22:45:10 GMT -5
I never before realized that only a dozen teams are carrying the other 18. Rich billionaires carrying the water for the “poor” billionaires? That sounds very upside down. And the owners being carried are also the ones whose teams consistently tank and pick the best talent but remain “poor”. Am I reading this right?
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Post by wamderingdude on Feb 15, 2024 11:47:17 GMT -5
Fun fact, the Red Sox are close to becoming a revenue sharing team. Cutoff score is 100 This is based purely on market size/tv deals right? Red sox falling below that 100 mark would actually almost be beneficial related to draft picks and compensation right? |
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 15, 2024 11:52:52 GMT -5
Fun fact, the Red Sox are close to becoming a revenue sharing team. Cutoff score is 100 This is based purely on market size/tv deals right? Red sox falling below that 100 mark would actually almost be beneficial related to draft picks and compensation right? I'd have a hard time seeing the Red Sox end up benefitting in terms of draft picks, far as I can tell the 10 lowest revenue clubs and the clubs from the 10 smallest markets are eligible to receive a competitive balance pick. I doubt the Sox are all that close to falling into either group. (I still find these rules exceptionally stupid but that's neither here nor there so I'll leave it at that.) |
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Post by wOBA Fett on Feb 15, 2024 20:28:02 GMT -5
This is based purely on market size/tv deals right? Red sox falling below that 100 mark would actually almost be beneficial related to draft picks and compensation right? I'd have a hard time seeing the Red Sox end up benefitting in terms of draft picks, far as I can tell the 10 lowest revenue clubs and the clubs from the 10 smallest markets are eligible to receive a competitive balance pick. I doubt the Sox are all that close to falling into either group. (I still find these rules exceptionally stupid but that's neither here nor there so I'll leave it at that.) I think it helps with QO picks
Compensation for losing players who reject their QO
If a team gives a qualifying offer to a player who then signs elsewhere, the club that lost the player is eligible for Draft pick compensation in the next year's MLB Draft. • Competitive Balance Tax payors: If the team that loses the player went over the CBT threshold, the compensation pick will be placed after the fourth round has been completed. The value of the player's contract doesn't matter in this case. • Revenue-sharing recipients: If the team that loses the player is a revenue-sharing recipient, based on its revenues and market size, then the selection -- if and only if the lost player signs for at least $50 million -- will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for those teams would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round. • All other teams: If the team that loses the player does not receive revenue sharing and did not exceed the CBT salary threshold the previous season, its compensatory pick will come after Competitive Balance Round B. The value of the player's contract doesn't matter in this case. |
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Post by wOBA Fett on Feb 15, 2024 20:33:29 GMT -5
Fun fact, the Red Sox are close to becoming a revenue sharing team. Cutoff score is 100 This is based purely on market size/tv deals right? Red sox falling below that 100 mark would actually almost be beneficial related to draft picks and compensation right? Market Score isn't defined, but appears to include "Net Local Revenue" which considers various factors including growth. |
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Post by keninten on Feb 15, 2024 23:40:28 GMT -5
I'd have a hard time seeing the Red Sox end up benefitting in terms of draft picks, far as I can tell the 10 lowest revenue clubs and the clubs from the 10 smallest markets are eligible to receive a competitive balance pick. I doubt the Sox are all that close to falling into either group. (I still find these rules exceptionally stupid but that's neither here nor there so I'll leave it at that.) I think it helps with QO picks
Compensation for losing players who reject their QO
If a team gives a qualifying offer to a player who then signs elsewhere, the club that lost the player is eligible for Draft pick compensation in the next year's MLB Draft. • Competitive Balance Tax payors: If the team that loses the player went over the CBT threshold, the compensation pick will be placed after the fourth round has been completed. The value of the player's contract doesn't matter in this case. • Revenue-sharing recipients: If the team that loses the player is a revenue-sharing recipient, based on its revenues and market size, then the selection -- if and only if the lost player signs for at least $50 million -- will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for those teams would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round. • All other teams: If the team that loses the player does not receive revenue sharing and did not exceed the CBT salary threshold the previous season, its compensatory pick will come after Competitive Balance Round B. The value of the player's contract doesn't matter in this case. Bloom wouldn`t have cared. |
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