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Post by lennsakata on Mar 13, 2024 17:59:20 GMT -5
I believe the kid we got from the Yankees for Greg Allen, Diego Hernandez, had an internal brace procedure while missing all of last season. Seemed like a curious decision for a younger kid who was only risking a couple months of 2024 but I admittedly know little about the procedure and whether it’s a band aid or a long term solution.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Mar 13, 2024 19:20:22 GMT -5
There is also a world where he pitches 160 innings with a 5+ ERA and the Red Sox are forced to give him another $1.5MM when they decline the option. That would make the Red Sox total investment into Giolito equal $39.5MM for 160 innings of 5+ ERA baseball. Oh come on, if we're looking for worst case scenarios we can get more creative than that. Maybe he blows out his elbow again and we get 0 innings from him, maybe he gets suspended for the season, maybe he starts a fight in the locker room and Rafael Devers gets hurt breaking it up. There are much worse scenarios than 30 starts of below average but not atrocious pitching from him in 2025!
Is that worth $39.5MM? Also, not a worst case scenario for a pitcher coming off elbow surgery with a 4.5 career ERA.
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Post by bg23 on Mar 13, 2024 19:29:47 GMT -5
I believe the kid we got from the Yankees for Greg Allen, Diego Hernandez, had an internal brace procedure while missing all of last season. Seemed like a curious decision for a younger kid who was only risking a couple months of 2024 but I admittedly know little about the procedure and whether it’s a band aid or a long term solution. Internal brace has a lower probability of revision than full on Tommy John. That paired with the reduced rehab time make it a slam dunk. The limiting factor is the sub-sect of tears the internal brace can be used on. Both the severity and the placement of the tear determine whether the internal brace can be used. That on top of only a handful of surgeons having performed the surgery a large number of times limits the number of ucl internal braces we see, but I am sure the number will continue to rise as surgeons get more practice with the procedure and positive study/literature continues to be produced.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 13, 2024 19:44:52 GMT -5
Has a pitcher ever got the brace procedure done before? I don't recall hearing one getting it before but then again I'd never heard of it being a thing until last year with Story either so it seems like it's a relatively new procedure? Hopefully this means a full healthy offseason for Giolito and he can come back for 2025 as a member of the rotation from day one. I think Rich Hill had it done. I am not sure though. Didn't Hill, like few yrs afterward require the full blown, UCL replacement?
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 13, 2024 21:33:01 GMT -5
I think Rich Hill had it done. I am not sure though. Didn't Hill, like few yrs afterward require the full blown, UCL replacement? Nope, he's been healthy since then. He got the procedure in October 2019 and was ready for the start of the COVID season in July 2020. He then made 84 starts from 2021 to 2023, so clearly no time for TJ.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Mar 14, 2024 15:01:08 GMT -5
Thanks for that. Was pretty sure Hill had had full blown TJ before, but was years before the "brace" surgery.
Above wanted to insert hyperlink to, but soxprospects has changed and wouldn't allow. Twinsdailey the article involving Hill and his numerous injuries over the year, incl his brace from 8y afterwards.
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Post by bishop on Mar 14, 2024 16:41:21 GMT -5
Oh come on, if we're looking for worst case scenarios we can get more creative than that. Maybe he blows out his elbow again and we get 0 innings from him, maybe he gets suspended for the season, maybe he starts a fight in the locker room and Rafael Devers gets hurt breaking it up. There are much worse scenarios than 30 starts of below average but not atrocious pitching from him in 2025!
Is that worth $39.5MM? Also, not a worst case scenario for a pitcher coming off elbow surgery with a 4.5 career ERA. LoL of course that's not worth $39.5 million. I'm not even sure him returning to his top form would be worth $39.5 million for a season and that was a long shot before he'd also be coming off an injury, but that seems a silly way to judge things. Every pitcher contract has risk, we rolled snake eyes here for year 1, but that's bad luck and a sunk cost. I just hope he's healthy and one of our 5 starters next year at this point, being worth $18m or more would be great, not gonna beat the Sox up for getting unlucky or the slim chance he pitches enough but they'd want to pay $1.5m to make him go away after 2025.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 15, 2024 10:41:16 GMT -5
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Post by kwodes on Mar 15, 2024 15:47:01 GMT -5
Has a pitcher ever got the brace procedure done before? I don't recall hearing one getting it before but then again I'd never heard of it being a thing until last year with Story either so it seems like it's a relatively new procedure? Hopefully this means a full healthy offseason for Giolito and he can come back for 2025 as a member of the rotation from day one. I think Rich Hill had it done. I am not sure though. everyone should check out the interview rob Bradford had with rich hill. Hill gets into a lot of detail about the surgery and he's super positive about it. He's a big supporter of it over TJ surgery. He clearly knows his stuff too. It's a great listen.
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Post by orion09 on Mar 15, 2024 16:10:34 GMT -5
“My goal is to make sure the Red Sox don’t have a club option for 2026.”
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