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Post by bsout2 on May 7, 2013 19:46:01 GMT -5
Well Middlebrooks appears to have missed having Salty in the lineup with him and went ahead and knocked Ross out of the game.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 7, 2013 19:47:13 GMT -5
It seems to me that Farrell is about winning every game he can. This is a detailed guy who makes decisions based upon winning every game if possible. Considering throwing Dempster out there last night was about winning every winnable game because he didn't have much of an opportunity to win that game any other way. Tito would have thrown is #11 pitcher out there and prayed for good luck. Farrell was going for the win. Thinking he can call up a pitcher to worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 7, 2013 20:04:29 GMT -5
Well Middlebrooks appears to have missed having Salty in the lineup with him and went ahead and knocked Ross out of the game. 3 pitches strikeout for both.
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Post by wcp3 on May 7, 2013 20:07:53 GMT -5
We're getting to the point where Middlebrooks could probably use a phantom DL.
He's completely lost right now, and allowing him to go up there and just take hacks might be counterproductive.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 7, 2013 20:15:01 GMT -5
We're getting to the point where Middlebrooks could probably use a phantom DL. He's completely lost right now, and allowing him to go up there and just take hacks might be counterproductive. We don't need phantom DL. Just option him down to AAA.
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Post by threeifbaerga on May 7, 2013 20:21:03 GMT -5
Man Ortiz would never see the field if Beyeler were his manager.
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Post by wcp3 on May 7, 2013 20:21:52 GMT -5
Nice effort tonight, losers.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 7, 2013 20:23:14 GMT -5
We're getting to the point where Middlebrooks could probably use a phantom DL. He's completely lost right now, and allowing him to go up there and just take hacks might be counterproductive. From today's Joe Sheehan email newsletter: It's not just the struggles this season. He basically reached a high water mark in his first week in the majors and has been going backwards ever since, to the point where he's now killing this team. It's really hard to overstate just how damaging a .230-ish OBP is to a lineup. At some point they can't just keep running him out there every day, and I think we're just about there.
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Post by Guidas on May 7, 2013 20:31:30 GMT -5
So, uh, can Brandon Snyder play a little 3rd.
Garin Cecchini you can not advance quickly enough. Ditto Michael Almanzar.
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Post by marrcus on May 7, 2013 20:35:16 GMT -5
Dempster's pitched well. Everything else's gone south.
Ciriaco an adventure at 3b makes the thought of WMB taking some time off not palatable.
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Post by bluechip on May 7, 2013 20:38:21 GMT -5
We're getting to the point where Middlebrooks could probably use a phantom DL. He's completely lost right now, and allowing him to go up there and just take hacks might be counterproductive. From today's Joe Sheehan email newsletter: It's not just the struggles this season. He basically reached a high water mark in his first week in the majors and has been going backwards ever since, to the point where he's now killing this team. It's really hard to overstate just how damaging a .230-ish OBP is to a lineup. At some point they can't just keep running him out there every day, and I think we're just about there. These struggles were foreseeable.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 7, 2013 20:53:58 GMT -5
These struggles were foreseeable. Yeah, I know. Everyone made fun of me for caring too much about walks.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 7, 2013 21:01:19 GMT -5
For all of the angst we've wasted on Stephen Drew, he's clearly a better baseball player than WMB or Salty. I also think he ends up having a better year than either LF we have.
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Post by bluechip on May 7, 2013 21:08:08 GMT -5
Salty is a total guess hitter, but he can really drive a baseball when he guesses right.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 7, 2013 21:10:36 GMT -5
So there's really no alternative at this point to WMB barring a trade. The only suggestion I've seen that didn't result in a below average player playing 3B if WMB is gone for significant time is moving Drew to 3B and bringing Iglesias up to SS. Drew's never played 3B, so I don't put much chance in it being a legit option, but it might be the best of many crappy options.
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Post by bluechip on May 7, 2013 21:16:00 GMT -5
Tim Wakefield: "you can't afford to lose [Misdlebrooks and Ross] right now". I disagree Tim with regards to Middlebrooks. They can't afford to keep him. I hope Middlebrooka is healthy. I also hope goes to the minors, because he is one of the worst hitters in MLB.
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Post by Guidas on May 7, 2013 21:24:36 GMT -5
So you want Ciriaco as your third baseman? Or Brock "I make will Middlebrooks look like Rod Carew" Holt? Them is the choices right now if WMB is DL'd or sent down. He is what he is and he is all there is right now. What he really is, however, is in need of staying in the zone and making contact.
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Post by bluechip on May 7, 2013 21:42:52 GMT -5
So you want Ciriaco as your third baseman? Or Brock "I make will Middlebrooks look like Rod Carew" Holt? Them is the choices right now if WMB is DL'd or sent down. He is what he is and he is all there is right now. What he really is, however, is in need of staying in the zone and making contact. Ciriaco is not a starting caliber player, but he is head and shoulders better than Middlebrooks. That is more an indictment of WMB's current ability than it praise for Ciriaco. Middlebrooks has the ability to be a good player, but he needs to fix his approach.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 7, 2013 21:53:34 GMT -5
So you want Ciriaco as your third baseman? Or Brock "I make will Middlebrooks look like Rod Carew" Holt? Them is the choices right now if WMB is DL'd or sent down. He is what he is and he is all there is right now. What he really is, however, is in need of staying in the zone and making contact. I don't even know. The Donner Party had a more appealing set of options.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 7, 2013 22:07:37 GMT -5
So you want Ciriaco as your third baseman? Or Brock "I make will Middlebrooks look like Rod Carew" Holt? Them is the choices right now if WMB is DL'd or sent down. He is what he is and he is all there is right now. What he really is, however, is in need of staying in the zone and making contact. If it came down to Holt vs Ciriaco I'd take Holt. I don't know that Holt can be an adequate 3b. I do know that Ciriaco cannot be. Offensively, Holt reminds me a little of Jody Reed when he played for the Sox. Obviously not the power you want for 3b, but hardly an automatic out. He has a track record of hitting in the minors. Ciriaco, if given regular ABs, would have a scary OBP and SA. Hopefully the Sox don't have to make this choice, but with WMB now injured or performing like Shea Hillenbrand after he lost it, the best option might be getting a cheap rental and hoping that Xander can play 3b next year. I'd like to see WBM snap out of it. I don't doubt that if he was given 500 ABs he might be able to crunch 25 - 30 homers, but if it comes with a sub-.300 OBP, it's pretty hollow. He really, really needs to revamp his approach and he doesn't necessarily strike me as somebody who would do that.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 7, 2013 22:14:25 GMT -5
Cherington should trade for new 3B. Even replacement level player would be an upgrade over WMB or other internal options.
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Post by mainesox on May 7, 2013 22:18:50 GMT -5
Cherington should trade for new 3B. Even replacement level player would be an upgrade over WMB or other internal options. Scott Rolen is a free agent; I wish I was more than half joking.
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Post by danr on May 8, 2013 1:55:33 GMT -5
The last I read, Chase Headley was complaining about his contract issue being a distraction. As I recall, he came up as a 3B, and a pretty decent one.
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Post by Guidas on May 8, 2013 7:12:45 GMT -5
This is why I was hoping they'd grab Youk or Chavez in the off-season. But hey, Chone FIggins is sitting home. If the Sox were the Patriots he'd been through a "team visit" three weeks ago. Not that I would endorse the Chonester.
So this is what desperation smells like. I hadn't encountered that aroma since the Valentine years...oh wait year...um, last year.
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Post by James Dunne on May 8, 2013 7:15:24 GMT -5
I'm not so keen on this "sending a messsage" to Doubront line of thinking. He'd been solid in his three previous starts before Arlington, and pitched in the seventh in the last two. Then on Friday, he gave up ten singles to the Rangers in Texas. I'm not going to say that it's bad luck, but he gave up a lot of base hits to a good hitting team. I'm not sure a message I want to be sending a 25-year old who is still developing that one poor start in four will have him packing his bags to the bullpen.
If there are other underlying factors, such as attitude or conditioning or whatever, maybe that changes things. But since the start of last year, the trigger-happy promotions of Middlebrooks and Bradley have had some negative results. Maybe give Webster more than four Triple-A starts, and keep players on their development track even when there are bumps in the road. There's a certain irony in all the talk about Middlebrooks maybe needing more Triple-A time being intertwined with assertions that Webster is ready now.
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