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Post by trotman on Jul 3, 2024 8:41:57 GMT -5
Brewers trade for Aaron Civale, per Heyman. Return is Gregory Barrios (#21 per MLB Pipeline; #26 per BA) Those rankings are in the Brewers system not Top 100.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 3, 2024 8:44:40 GMT -5
Return is Gregory Barrios (#21 per MLB Pipeline; #26 per BA) Those rankings are in the Brewers system not Top 100. I was going to add this. This sure flys in the face of the narrative of don't trade with the Rays. Manzardo having some struggles this year but MLB.com still had him rated #59 of all prospects pre 2024. So the Rays traded a top 100 prospect for a year of Civale and turned around and dealt him for someone ranked in the 20s of the Brewers farm.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 3, 2024 9:12:44 GMT -5
That return seems astonishingly light. What am I missing?
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 3, 2024 9:16:16 GMT -5
That return seems astonishingly light. What am I missing? I thought so too but in looking closer at Civale he just hasn't been very good at all.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 3, 2024 9:22:14 GMT -5
That return seems astonishingly light. What am I missing? I thought so too but in looking closer at Civale he just hasn't been very good at all. Has he not? Just looking at this season the ERA is not great, but the xERA (4.15) and xFIP (4.09) are fine and the K and BB rates are basically the same as last season when he had a 2.5 WAR year. Velocity is actually up slightly this year. Overall since 2022 he has 4.1 WAR in 306 IP to go with slightly sub-4 multiverse stats.
He seems pretty comparable to Pivetta but with an extra year of control, no? How does that not bring back more than a lottery ticket?
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 3, 2024 9:40:32 GMT -5
There has to be something up with Civale to return that little, or at least one of those prospects are somehow thought of dramatically differently inside FOs than outside.
That said I imagine the Rays are now fielding a lot of calls on Eflin, Littell, etc.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 3, 2024 9:42:42 GMT -5
I thought so too but in looking closer at Civale he just hasn't been very good at all. Has he not? Just looking at this season the ERA is not great, but the xERA (4.15) and xFIP (4.09) are fine and the K and BB rates are basically the same as last season when he had a 2.5 WAR year. Velocity is actually up slightly this year. Overall since 2022 he has 4.1 WAR in 306 IP to go with slightly sub-4 multiverse stats.
He seems pretty comparable to Pivetta but with an extra year of control, no? How does that not bring back more than a lottery ticket?
True in regards to the xERA and xFIP. However, he was off to a pretty good start. His xFIP in Mar/Apr 3.51, May 4.36 and June 4.53 so he's been getting worse as the season goes. I would have figured he would have brought back slightly more and honestly wouldn't have hated the Sox taking him for the cost he went for.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 3, 2024 9:48:23 GMT -5
Barrios looks like he's having a bit of a breakout year, those rankings might not be that accurate.
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Post by itinerantherb on Jul 3, 2024 9:54:07 GMT -5
He's also never started more than 23 games or pitched more than 124 innings, so there's a track record of low durability. But yeah, still seems very light. I'd gladly take a couple Civales for, say, Mikey Romero and Hunter Dobbins.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 3, 2024 10:08:52 GMT -5
From Rays beat writer:
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 3, 2024 10:25:40 GMT -5
Since they have two Ps coming back from injury they may as well trade the Sox Efflin for a "pretty good" prospect too!
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 3, 2024 10:47:58 GMT -5
Barrios looks like he's having a bit of a breakout year, those rankings might not be that accurate. Was going to post the same thing. Excellent defensive shortstop with good contact numbers (K rate is under 10% as a 20-year-old in High-A). Not a lot of home run pop but he's not a slappy guy either, there's some real doubles potential. Wouldn't be surprised if he's in the Rays Top-10 in the midseason rankings. Manzardo was probably a steep price for 1 1/2 years of Civale, especially in hindsight given that he didn't pitch well for the Rays, but Barrios for a half-year of him looks right to me.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 3, 2024 10:50:04 GMT -5
Barrios looks like he's having a bit of a breakout year, those rankings might not be that accurate. Was going to post the same thing. Excellent defensive shortstop with good contact numbers (K rate is under 10% as a 20-year-old in High-A). Not a lot of home run pop but he's not a slappy guy either, there's some real doubles potential. Wouldn't be surprised if he's in the Rays Top-10 in the midseason rankings. Manzardo was probably a steep price for 1 1/2 years of Civale, especially in hindsight given that he didn't pitch well for the Rays, but Barrios for a half-year of him looks right to me. It's a year and a half of Civale for Barrios I think, and was 2.5 when the Rays got him. He's arb eligible this off-season.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 3, 2024 10:58:35 GMT -5
It's a year and a half of Civale for Barrios I think, and was 2.5 when the Rays got him. He's arb eligible this off-season. Yes, looking back at the numbers this looks correct. With that in mind, maybe the return is a little light... I think using the pre-season prospect rankings is a very poor gauge of Berrios's current value, but for a year and a half I'd think they'd have netted a second piece.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 3, 2024 11:03:32 GMT -5
Barrios looks like he's having a bit of a breakout year, those rankings might not be that accurate.
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Post by seamus on Jul 3, 2024 12:13:14 GMT -5
If the Rays like Barrios as a prospect - and he seems like a guy who could have some helium - I wonder if they consider getting him in early July, so he can have an extra month of in-season time with the organization, as equivalent to getting him plus a complex-level lottery ticket or two at the deadline
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Post by asm18 on Jul 3, 2024 16:03:12 GMT -5
Royce Lewis - bombs and IL stints 😔
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Post by cdj on Jul 3, 2024 16:10:50 GMT -5
Royce Lewis - bombs and IL stints 😔 Feel bad for twins fans. Between him and Buxton twinsprospects.com forum has had a rough decade with injuries
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Post by asm18 on Jul 3, 2024 16:23:27 GMT -5
Royce Lewis - bombs and IL stints 😔 Feel bad for twins fans. Between him and Buxton twinsprospects.com forum has had a rough decade with injuries The Mets and Giants doctors reacted to Correa’s ankle like he was infected with the Black Death, but the Twins medical staff seemed cool with it, so I’m sure that will end up fine
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 4, 2024 6:06:46 GMT -5
Rodon started the season hot for the yanks but boy has he turned into a pumpkin again. 7.76 ERA in June and another bad start last night. You really hate to see that! Might be fun seeing how that contract continues to look over the next 4 seasons.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 4, 2024 9:06:40 GMT -5
Having watched part of the collapse, I was hoping the Sox would face him this weekend. That's not to be.
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Post by patford on Jul 4, 2024 10:59:32 GMT -5
The Yankees lineup is so bad it's amazing opposing teams give Soto and Judge anything to hit.
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Post by kwodes on Jul 4, 2024 20:22:10 GMT -5
The Yankees won game 1 of the series at Fenway and moved to 50-22. They are now 54-35.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 4, 2024 22:03:10 GMT -5
This is sad
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 5, 2024 7:57:23 GMT -5
One thing about the Yankees, who I will also enjoy some of the fun beating on, is that Boone ran them HARD in those first 70ish games. Very few days off for the regulars, and a lot of talk about how many more innings their starters were giving than other teams. It's like if you gave John Farrell 26 Junichi Tazawas and he still found a way to abuse them all and then manage to not get blamed when he was gassed in late June.
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