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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Aug 28, 2024 9:19:12 GMT -5
Ugh, is MLBTR really doing the Fansided/MassLive/NESN clickbait Don't Say The Player Name In The Headline thing? And they're starting to put articles behind a paywall, hopefully they don't put the arb predictions there. Beats the insider text line or whatever MassLive is pushing.
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Post by itinerantherb on Aug 28, 2024 10:19:54 GMT -5
Former Fan Favorite Website Consorts with Clickbait Cabal
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Post by badfishnbc on Aug 28, 2024 11:33:14 GMT -5
In MLBTR's defense, there was zero chance I would've known who that guy was if they named him, but the 6+ ERA sure grabbed my attention.
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Post by ixnayexxus on Aug 28, 2024 18:56:20 GMT -5
Giants placed Thairo Estrada, Taylor Rogers, and Tyler Matzek on waivers
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Post by asm18 on Aug 28, 2024 19:07:10 GMT -5
Giants placed Thairo Estrada, Taylor Rogers, and Tyler Matzek on waivers They’re breaking up the Rogers twins! Taylor Rogers (the lefty one) has a 2.45 ERA and 3.14 xERA in 51 innings. He does have one year left on his deal after 2024 at 12 mil. Seems like a financial move?
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Post by threeifbaerga on Aug 28, 2024 20:15:10 GMT -5
Ugh, is MLBTR really doing the Fansided/MassLive/NESN clickbait Don't Say The Player Name In The Headline thing?
This is rampant across sports journalism now, I first noticed it in following european soccer.
"$58-mil rated SUPERSTAR agrees contract as Liverpool fan favorite has head turned by Chelsea"
Turns out an unlinked player is signing for a club in a different country and 5th string CB was scouted by Chelsea's new head coach before he got the job. Completely unrelated and unimportant but wow, the headline sure makes you think big things are happening.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 28, 2024 21:31:29 GMT -5
Oh my God
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 28, 2024 22:27:53 GMT -5
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Aug 28, 2024 22:35:10 GMT -5
Wow Rod Beck threw an absolute cookie and the batter didnt miss. That outfielder may have saved Beck's comeback attempt.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 28, 2024 22:36:28 GMT -5
Wow Rod Beck threw an absolute cookie and the batter didnt miss. That outfielder may have saved Beck's comeback attempt. Considering that Rod Beck has been dead for a long time, that would be one helluva comeback attempt!
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Post by incandenza on Aug 28, 2024 22:37:55 GMT -5
Hmm, wonder how that compares to the JBJ catch in Baltimore. Someone probably ought to post a clip of that one so we can see.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Aug 28, 2024 22:44:22 GMT -5
Wow Rod Beck threw an absolute cookie and the batter didnt miss. That outfielder may have saved Beck's comeback attempt. Considering that Rod Beck has been dead for a long time, that would be one helluva comeback attempt! Well in that case, Id consider Beck's comeback and ability to pitch competently a complete success. Is he the Rod Beck of years past??? I'd say no, but at least Beck's ghost is far better than the corpse of Brian Keller
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Post by ematz1423 on Aug 29, 2024 6:00:16 GMT -5
Giants placed Thairo Estrada, Taylor Rogers, and Tyler Matzek on waivers They’re breaking up the Rogers twins! Taylor Rogers (the lefty one) has a 2.45 ERA and 3.14 xERA in 51 innings. He does have one year left on his deal after 2024 at 12 mil. Seems like a financial move? I wouldn't be against them making a claim on Rogers. 12M for next year isn't ideal but it's just 1 year. He would seem a better lefty option out of the pen then what they currently have in the pipeline.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 29, 2024 7:47:29 GMT -5
I have to be honest, I did not know Tyler Matzek was on the Giants. Apparently he was part of the Luke Jackson/Jorge Soler trade.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 29, 2024 8:54:18 GMT -5
Thairo Estrada put up 8 WAR in his first four seasons, including 3.5 in 2023, and isn't even going to get his second arb pay day.
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Post by prospectjunkie21 on Aug 29, 2024 12:26:34 GMT -5
I would gladly add Estrada and rogers to this team. Even with Hendriks coming back Rogers would offer the lefty Cora has searched for all year and Estrada is an upgrade on the gasper slot. Even if story comes back Estrada can stay up with the extra roster spot. Both moves would help for the stretch run if they are serious about catching the twins.
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Post by asm18 on Aug 29, 2024 13:13:22 GMT -5
For context, Spotrac has Rogers tied for 9th with the highest AAV for a reliever, which is… quite high. At the same token, he’s been one of the more effective lefty relievers. How does 1 year/12 mil if he’s claimed for 2025 compare to what he might get in free agency?
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 29, 2024 13:27:22 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if we picked up Rogers. He is a pretty average big league reliever at this point. His pitch metrics have collapsed this year. $12 million might get you Kenley in the offseason
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Post by ephus on Aug 29, 2024 13:56:13 GMT -5
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Post by melvinhoggs on Aug 29, 2024 14:37:41 GMT -5
In browsing the Giants' player pages after they put Estrada/Rogers/Matzek on waivers, what a wild ride Patrick Bailey's stats are.
He's already over 30 in defensive value, which according to Fangraphs has only been done ten times in the past decade – and he still has about thirty games to play. The next highest players in 2024 are in the ~17 range.
Can a guy with a sub-300 OBP and no power actually be worth 4 WAR? Maybe so! Jose Molina did manage it in 2012. Trevino came very close in 2022.
Capturing catcher defensive metrics accurately has always felt iffy to me, but who knows. 9/10 of the players who eclipsed 30 DEF in the past 10 years were catchers, so a special shout out to Nick Ahmed, who's the only non-catcher to reach 30 during that time frame.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 29, 2024 14:42:55 GMT -5
Bailey's got +30 or +38 framing runs depending on your metric in 1500 career innings. It is really stupid that anyone is getting that kind of edge by tricking umps and we could end all of this and we don't.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 29, 2024 15:02:04 GMT -5
So sad. Such a good player and an important piece to that Tigers puzzle from that dominant 1984 team. I remember him being a good ballplayer with the White Sox and them trading him to Detroit for Steve Kemp on a deal that worked out a lot better for Detroit.
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 29, 2024 15:09:24 GMT -5
Who cut all these goddamn onions.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 29, 2024 18:31:47 GMT -5
Taijuan Walker demoted to the pen half-way through his 4/72 deal
I am convinced that contract prevented us from signing Eovaldi for what ended up being the best offer he ever got
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Aug 29, 2024 21:18:51 GMT -5
Thairo Estrada put up 8 WAR in his first four seasons, including 3.5 in 2023, and isn't even going to get his second arb pay day. This is not uncommon and is part of the hollowing out of baseball's middle class salary structure. It FOs realizing that they didn't have to pay expensive free agent salaries to veterans and increasingly teams are realizing that they don't have pay moderately expensive arb2 salaries for decent players either. Teams want super cheap players with 0-4 years of service and impact players that potentially pack a lot of WAR into single roster spots. Everybody else is fungible.
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