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Post by julyanmorley on May 16, 2024 21:20:25 GMT -5
Would be a terrible waste of this stupid situation for us not to get a walkoff home run
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Post by wildsox on May 16, 2024 21:20:50 GMT -5
Color me shocked that the umps have no idea what to do in that situation
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Post by itinerantherb on May 16, 2024 21:22:00 GMT -5
Merloni apoplectic about not only the illegal visit but moreso that the lengthy conferral enabled the incoming RP to get loose. Seem like a valid gripe.
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Post by christianarroyossock on May 16, 2024 21:22:25 GMT -5
This seems like an extremely exploitable rule.
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Post by keninten on May 16, 2024 21:22:27 GMT -5
This is the kind of deal the Sox should be making. A super utility for $6.5 mil. A big market team should be able to afford this. It`s a lot less risky than most FA deals lately. The 10 year deals for $200 mil are riskier to me. But still better than a $300 mil for an old guy.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 16, 2024 21:22:51 GMT -5
Just for the hell of it - Sox record after 44 games for the last few years
2018 - 30-14 2019 - 23-21 2020 - 15-29 2021 - 26-18 2022 - 21-23 2023 - 24-20 2024 - 22-22
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Post by kevfc89 on May 16, 2024 21:23:12 GMT -5
womp womp
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Post by rhswanzey on May 16, 2024 21:26:20 GMT -5
Loumer has been saying for days that the Sox are scoring 2.9 RPG in May. MLB average is currently 4.31.
One problem here is that the difference between Cooper/Smith and Casas/Yoshida can’t possibly be 1.4 RPG.
It’s a below average offense at full strength.
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Post by dirtdog on May 16, 2024 21:28:55 GMT -5
If there was a category called deflating losses, this team would lead the league.
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Post by jbuttah on May 16, 2024 21:34:09 GMT -5
When will Cora realize that Jensen should be in the Anderson category of use in blowouts only.
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 16, 2024 21:34:17 GMT -5
almost every time they walk a man he scores inevitably. I have never seen anything like it. when Arozarena walked, I just knew he was going to score the go ahead run and like clockwork bingo.
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Post by keninten on May 16, 2024 21:34:27 GMT -5
Im not sure what you’re referring to by Jensen, but it takes two on a contract extension. There’s no way Casas was going to sign one that looked nearly as good as what Rafaela would do. I think there was some interest with Houck but also they already control him into his 30s i understand that but he's also not a long term fit. I'm just saying that money wasn't necessary to spend. Duran is CF. Eventually Mayer and Roman will be up. Abreu looks like a long term fit. We have Yoshida signed until 2027. To me it just seems like a huge overpay for someone with no MLB success and no long term fit at any position. He had a ton of question marks in the minors. I guess I will never understand the rush there. This is the kind of deal the Sox should be making. A super utility for $6.5 mil. A big market team should be able to afford this. It`s a lot less risky than most FA deals lately. The 10 year deals for $200 mil are riskier to me. But still better than $300 mil for an old guy.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on May 16, 2024 21:36:34 GMT -5
Just for the hell of it - Sox record after 44 games for the last few years 2018 - 30-14 2019 - 23-21 2020 - 15-29 2021 - 26-18 2022 - 21-23 2023 - 24-20 2024 - 22-22 It's going to be Ground Hog's Day when they're 2.5 out of the WC come the trade deadline.
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Post by grandsalami on May 16, 2024 21:45:29 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on May 16, 2024 22:05:28 GMT -5
He’s right it was total BS
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Post by incandenza on May 16, 2024 22:42:48 GMT -5
Kenley in a non save situation is asking for trouble. He is throwing BP. Arm cooked? Proven Closers are the worst and I loathe the whole concept, but to be fair Jansen seems to generally be good in tie game situations. (Unlike a certain Kimbrel I could name.) Just didn't have it today.
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Post by incandenza on May 16, 2024 22:48:14 GMT -5
Loumer has been saying for days that the Sox are scoring 2.9 RPG in May. MLB average is currently 4.31. One problem here is that the difference between Cooper/Smith and Casas/Yoshida can’t possibly be 1.4 RPG. It’s a below average offense at full strength. Some back of the napkin math says Casas + Yoshida were producing about 1.2 runs/game, whereas Cooper + Smith are producing about 0.3 runs/game. So, not a 1.4 r/g gap, but 0.9 which is not far off, and an enormous gap in its own right. (If you wanted to add Dalbec into the calculation it certainly doesn't make the loss of Casas/Yoshida look less significant...)
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Post by rhswanzey on May 16, 2024 23:16:22 GMT -5
Loumer has been saying for days that the Sox are scoring 2.9 RPG in May. MLB average is currently 4.31. One problem here is that the difference between Cooper/Smith and Casas/Yoshida can’t possibly be 1.4 RPG. It’s a below average offense at full strength. Some back of the napkin math says Casas + Yoshida were producing about 1.2 runs/game, whereas Cooper + Smith are producing about 0.3 runs/game. So, not a 1.4 r/g gap, but 0.9 which is not far off, and an enormous gap in its own right. (If you wanted to add Dalbec into the calculation it certainly doesn't make the loss of Casas/Yoshida look less significant...) At roughly 10 runs produced per WAR, that's like a 16 WAR difference between those two pairs of players over the course of a full season (disregarding defense, or assuming neutral defense value).
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Post by incandenza on May 17, 2024 0:06:26 GMT -5
Some back of the napkin math says Casas + Yoshida were producing about 1.2 runs/game, whereas Cooper + Smith are producing about 0.3 runs/game. So, not a 1.4 r/g gap, but 0.9 which is not far off, and an enormous gap in its own right. (If you wanted to add Dalbec into the calculation it certainly doesn't make the loss of Casas/Yoshida look less significant...) At roughly 10 runs produced per WAR, that's like a 16 WAR difference between those two pairs of players over the course of a full season (disregarding defense, or assuming neutral defense value). Yeah, Smith alone is on pace for about -8 WAR/600 PA. What can I tell ya. They've been read bad.
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Post by asm18 on May 17, 2024 6:51:53 GMT -5
Red Sox wRC+ since May 29 (after the Cubs shellacking & Sunday night baseball walkoff):
Duran - 169 Devers - 161 Abreu - 128 Wong - 125 Refsnyder - 111 Romy - 90 Ceddy - 68 Cooper - 67 O’Neill - 50 Mcguire - 44 Smith - 23 Grissom - negative 23
Can we just have a handful of role players who can play at a league average level (or slightly below) please. Top of the order sans a very slumping O’Neill has actually been doing well even if hasn’t clicking at all at the same time
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Post by scottysmalls on May 17, 2024 6:57:51 GMT -5
Red Sox wRC+ since May 29 (after the Cubs shellacking & Sunday night baseball walkoff): Duran - 169 Devers - 161 Abreu - 128 Wong - 125 Refsnyder - 111 Romy - 90 Ceddy - 68 Cooper - 67 O’Neill - 50 Mcguire - 44 Smith - 23 Grissom - negative 23 Can we just have a handful of role players who can play at a league average level (or slightly below) please. Top of the order sans a very slumping O’Neill has actually been doing well even if hasn’t clicking at all at the same time Yeah, the Cooper and Rafaela performances are bad but you can live with a couple replacement level guys. Grissom and Smith have been unbelievably terrible, and the most frustrating part is they replaced Dalbec and Reyes, who themselves were awful, and have somehow been even worse.
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Post by asm18 on May 17, 2024 7:08:37 GMT -5
Yeah I’m not sure what you do with Grissom other than hope he gets in a groove. But the time off from the flu where he supposedly lost 15 lbs seems to have really screwed with him physically and with his swing. Grissom is also the youngest guy on the team, so even if he had hit .282 with the Braves in a small sample the last few years, he’s still adapting to MLB. The alternatives for second on the 40 Man would be like Romy, Hamilton, Valdez?
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Post by ematz1423 on May 17, 2024 7:43:31 GMT -5
Yeah I’m not sure what you do with Grissom other than hope he gets in a groove. But the time off from the flu where he supposedly lost 15 lbs seems to have really screwed with him physically and with his swing. Grissom is also the youngest guy on the team, so even if he had hit .282 with the Braves in a small sample the last few years, he’s still adapting to MLB. The alternatives for second on the 40 Man would be like Romy, Hamilton, Valdez? Valdez did start heating up at AAA right when he went down, will it translate up to MLB? Who knows but it might be worth it to send Grissom down and call Valdez back up.
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Post by James Dunne on May 17, 2024 7:57:11 GMT -5
If they could consistently play at league average then they wouldn't be role players.
Obviously that's a bit of an overstatement - there are some dudes (Refsnyder) who would probably be below average if exposed in an every day role but can excel in the right situation. But it's not particularly common. Also, Cooper's 6 for 18 with three doubles in his last six games after going 1 for 16 in his first five. His numbers haven't fully adjusted yet, but considering that he's got a track record of being fine and in the last week and a half he's been fine, my guess is that he'll be fine. Getting kind of annoyed to continually see him lumped in with Smith, whose spot on an MLB roster seems more tenuous.
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Post by scottysmalls on May 17, 2024 8:37:21 GMT -5
If they could consistently play at league average then they wouldn't be role players. Obviously that's a bit of an overstatement - there are some dudes (Refsnyder) who would probably be below average if exposed in an every day role but can excel in the right situation. But it's not particularly common. Also, Cooper's 6 for 18 with three doubles in his last six games after going 1 for 16 in his first five. His numbers haven't fully adjusted yet, but considering that he's got a track record of being fine and in the last week and a half he's been fine, my guess is that he'll be fine. Getting kind of annoyed to continually see him lumped in with Smith, whose spot on an MLB roster seems more tenuous. That's misconstruing the issue though. For one thing, Grissom's expectation is to be the full time starter, not a role player. But beyond him the complaint (at least my complaint) isn't that they've been below average, it's that they've been way way below replacement level. Of the 43 worst players in baseball by fWAR 6 of them (14%) are on the Red Sox. So far this year they have -3.8 WAR from their below replacement players. If they continue accumulating negative WAR at this pace they'll be at -14 from that group by the end of the year. In 2023 they had -2.3, in 2022 -3.1, in 2021 -1.3. Obviously that won't happen, but it highlights how bad the worst players have been. Could be worse though, half the White Sox line up rank among the 20 worst players in the league. Add: To clarify my issue - I'm not complaining about front office decisions or really worried about the long term guys (like Grissom and Rafaela) at this moment, I just find these exceptionally poor performances a little weird and frustrating.
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