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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 2, 2024 6:49:32 GMT -5
So, I know I’m going to get killed for suggesting the Red Sox trade their number one prospect. But the outfield at the major league level is particularly good and importantly, young, right now. Rafaela is locked up long term and Duran and Abreu are both cost controlled. Three other CF guys are in the SP top 20 right now as well (Bleis, Castro and Campbell) with Bleis being in the top 5. If you ever had an opportunity to trade from a position of strength, this is it.
I’m not smart enough about other teams’ rosters major league and minor league) to suggest who has the right player to match up for a Roman Anthony trade. You always want cost controlled good young pitching but that is expensive. Hence the suggestion of trading the organization’s top minor league player. My thought is that this trade doesn’t need to impact the 2024 season and it’s probably better if you find a player who would provide major contribution when Mayer and Teel are both doing the same.
Tell me why it is an awful idea? I understand he is dealing with a minor injury right now but lets assume he gets healthy and playing well. But you would likely (all minor league players have some risk of failure) get a valuable player in return. Fortune favors the bold!
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 2, 2024 7:46:53 GMT -5
I will preface this by saying I don't believe any player should be considered untradeable. If Anthony could get them an all star caliber player right now that is controlled you have to consider it.
That being said while I like duran/Rafaela/Abreu a lot they still don't come close to Anthony's ceiling. The Red Sox are kind of where they are right now IMO because they have Devers as a difference maker and no other stars behind him, maybe Casas? Anthony has the potential to be a real difference maker where I don't see Duran Rafaela or abreu having that type of ceiling.
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Post by crossedsabres8 on Jun 2, 2024 9:26:38 GMT -5
I would really lean towards keeping everyone at the moment since you really don't know what's gonna happen with how they all develop, what they'll end up being good at and injuries etc.
But if they are convinced of Rafaela in CF, and they felt like they had to trade someone, I would trade Duran. It's not because he isn't good, he's obviously very valuable, but right now a lot of his value comes from playing good centerfield defense (who would have thought).
He would have more value to a team who needs a starting CFer than to the Red Sox if they aren't going to play in in CF everyday.
But again, I don't think you need to trade any of them. Having high quality depth is a good thing.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jun 2, 2024 10:01:16 GMT -5
I will preface this by saying I don't believe any player should be considered untradeable. If Anthony could get them an all star caliber player right now that is controlled you have to consider it. That being said while I like duran/Rafaela/Abreu a lot they still don't come close to Anthony's ceiling. The Red Sox are kind of where they are right now IMO because they have Devers as a difference maker and no other stars behind him, maybe Casas? Anthony has the potential to be a real difference maker where I don't see Duran Rafaela or abreu having that type of ceiling. I understand, but why not get a player with a similarly high ceiling at a position that isn’t already as capably staffed as the outfield is for the next few seasons. You’re good at 3B, Casas is your 1B of the future. Mayer is the heir apparent at SS. Teel at that behind the dish. The positions you want to staff for the coming bounty of young talent appear to be on the pitching staff (and 2B if Grissom doesn’t work out. I’m advocating getting the best young arm that Roman Anthony can bring back.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2024 10:15:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't trade Anthony for pitching - it's a lot to give up fir an arm that is likely destined for TJS thecway it goes for most pitchers these days.
Bleis is a long ways way so he diesnt factor in yet at this point.
Anthony is the only guy within a year or two of making the majors, and when he does theyll probably need all 4 guys.
By then Duran is getting close to free agency, we'll know if he and Abreu can hit lefties well enough.
And with a potentially all lefty outfield and the flexibility that Rafaela provides, and the fact that he's righty, there could definitely be a need for him, especially given the likelihood that at least on of them is dealing with injuries.
Ultimately in free agency the Sox need 2 players, an ace starter, a nb d thus us where Corbin Burnes could come into play, and a right masher, which is a much rarer commodity than in year's past, although if Soto were a possibility I'd forego the righty masher thing and happily go with him.
But I think of those two additions (not specifically Soto and Burnes, of course, but the addition of a righty cleanup hitter and a frontline starter)with Anthony providing cheap labor and starring for the Red Sox rather than Anthony traded away and eventually starting elsewhere.
Anthony's ceiling, one that I feel good about his chances of reaching, is all star multiple times. I dont see that with the other 3 outfielders. I see above average potential that they're now fulfilling but not the ceiling Anthony offers and the Sox need those lynchpin all stars to get back to where they need to go.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 2, 2024 12:27:06 GMT -5
I will preface this by saying I don't believe any player should be considered untradeable. If Anthony could get them an all star caliber player right now that is controlled you have to consider it. That being said while I like duran/Rafaela/Abreu a lot they still don't come close to Anthony's ceiling. The Red Sox are kind of where they are right now IMO because they have Devers as a difference maker and no other stars behind him, maybe Casas? Anthony has the potential to be a real difference maker where I don't see Duran Rafaela or abreu having that type of ceiling. I understand, but why not get a player with a similarly high ceiling at a position that isn’t already as capably staffed as the outfield is for the next few seasons. You’re good at 3B, Casas is your 1B of the future. Mayer is the heir apparent at SS. Teel at that behind the dish. The positions you want to staff for the coming bounty of young talent appear to be on the pitching staff (and 2B if Grissom doesn’t work out. I’m advocating getting the best young arm that Roman Anthony can bring back. It's worth exploring what Anthony can bring back I'd imagine the sox probably have some sort of idea. That being said his ceiling is just higher than any of duran, abreu or rafaela. He's the potential long term cornerstone type player the organization needs. Personally I'd deal any of duran, abreu or Rafaela before Anthony but I can see the rationale.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Jun 2, 2024 13:07:55 GMT -5
The offer would have to be overwhelming. I understand the team composition now and going forward is LHH dominant but even in this new frugal era the team has done well bringing in RHH bats on one year deals who've worked out. If this team is cost conscious from now on a layered pipeline of guys contributing on league minimum (or extended very early!) will be a must and can be supplemented with RHH role players.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 2, 2024 13:11:07 GMT -5
The offer would have to be overwhelming. I understand the team composition now and going forward is LHH dominant but even in this new frugal era the team has done well bringing in RHH bats on one year deals who've worked out. If this team is cost conscious from now on a layered pipeline of guys contributing on league minimum (or extended very early!) will be a must and can be supplemented with RHH role players. Tatis is maybe a guy id consider letting Anthony go for.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jun 2, 2024 13:26:30 GMT -5
The offer would have to be overwhelming. I understand the team composition now and going forward is LHH dominant but even in this new frugal era the team has done well bringing in RHH bats on one year deals who've worked out. If this team is cost conscious from now on a layered pipeline of guys contributing on league minimum (or extended very early!) will be a must and can be supplemented with RHH role players. Tatis is maybe a guy id consider letting Anthony go for. Tatis is the guy we should be trading Anthony for. I already proposed my deal. Anthony Yoshida Yorke Blaze Paulino We get Tatis/Devers for a decade.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 2, 2024 13:32:58 GMT -5
Tatis is maybe a guy id consider letting Anthony go for. Tatis is the guy we should be trading Anthony for. I already proposed my deal. Anthony Yoshida Yorke Blaze Paulino We get Tatis/Devers for a decade. At this point, pass. Look at Tatis season last year and look at his season so far. He's not that overwhelmingly great. He is now even OPSing .800 these days. I think his reputation is greater than what he's producing. Funny how his numbers have declined since his suspension.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 2, 2024 13:45:07 GMT -5
Tatis is the guy we should be trading Anthony for. I already proposed my deal. Anthony Yoshida Yorke Blaze Paulino We get Tatis/Devers for a decade. At this point, pass. Look at Tatis season last year and look at his season so far. He's not that overwhelmingly great. He is now even OPSing .800 these days. I think his reputation is greater than what he's producing. Funny how his numbers have declined since his suspension. Yep no PEDs and shoulder surgery have zapped his power #s. Who'd have thunk it? If tatis is dealt his AAV goes up to 31M+. Hardly an albatross since he is still a very good player but I think at this point I'd pass on even trading Anthony for tatis straight up.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 4, 2024 5:17:22 GMT -5
Roman has a great drive the ball to LF swing. Ideal for Fenway. Duran is probably my favorite player to watch on this team. I’d sell high on Duran. Not gonna happen this year. But, as Teel progresses. I’d include Wong. Duran, Wong and Romero should fetch a good RH bat. If there’s any out there. Skeptical about Tatis post PED. Vlad Jr and Bichette have regressed terribly. I don’t see an ideal fit at the moment. Sadly.
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Post by rhswanzey on Jun 4, 2024 21:01:12 GMT -5
I think this isn't much of a conversation because of where they are on the contention cycle. They aren't one player away.
It's worth reiterating that no one including Anthony is a sure thing. There's a path here where he ends up in a corner outfield spot and has contact issues in the high minors/MLB that keep him from getting to all of the power in game. Granted - he's a deservedly elite prospect and is only days past his 20th birthday. If it's 2018 or even 2017, trading him is a more serious consideration.
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