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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 15:14:19 GMT -5
DFA'ing Ty France to trade for Justin Turner is some extreme wheel spinning. Nearly identical rest of season projections.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 29, 2024 15:16:06 GMT -5
Feel like we still have this pool of Fitts, Lugo, Meidroth, Jordan, Castro, Wikelman, Valdez group that they are probably more than willing to deal in the right trades
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 15:23:44 GMT -5
With Yorke and Paulino gone I think we're probably in a good spot to trade for another team's Rule 5 headache
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Post by rico6 on Jul 29, 2024 15:35:28 GMT -5
Flaherty scratched from Today's start. Who gets him? Looks like it may be the Yankees. According to Nightingale.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 15:42:44 GMT -5
Flaherty scratched from Today's start. Who gets him? Looks like it may be the Yankees. According to Nightingale. Wonder if they have a 3B in mind they directly or indirectly trade Nestor Cortes for. Jazz Chisholm playing 3B for the first time ever doesn’t seem like the way forward there
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 29, 2024 15:42:55 GMT -5
Flaherty scratched from Today's start. Who gets him? Looks like it may be the Yankees. According to Nightingale. I welcome that musical chairs or SPs for them
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Post by kwodes on Jul 29, 2024 15:54:57 GMT -5
Looks like it may be the Yankees. According to Nightingale. I welcome that musical chairs or SPs for them yup... trade a cheap, controllable, solid SP for a rental. Opens up more holes for them this offseason
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 29, 2024 16:04:51 GMT -5
With Yorke and Paulino gone I think we're probably in a good spot to trade for another team's Rule 5 headache Eh, Yorke is the only guy who struck me as a certain protect that they've moved. I don't think we're quite in that territory yet.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 16:23:40 GMT -5
lol
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Post by nomar on Jul 29, 2024 16:46:47 GMT -5
Thats an f you in POBO language
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 29, 2024 16:48:40 GMT -5
Well hello there, Farhan (For context, Snell’s player option for next year has an AAV of close to 30 mil, but half is deferred until 2027. But unless Snell’s arm explodes in the next few months it’s hard to imagine he can’t beat “15 mil in 2025 and 15 mil two years later” even if he has to do another pillow contract of some sort.) One of my buddies sent me a weird text about this but it kind of makes sense now. I guess the Giants asked for Dominguez and some others and the Yankees to take on the entire deal. Yankees wanted to move Jones and asked the Giants to take on half. Really didn’t understand what he meant without seeing the breakdown to be fair. I wasn’t even going to mention this because of the take with a grain of salt thing but it kind of stuck out with the line in the tweet about taking on the contract.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 29, 2024 17:01:25 GMT -5
Nothing like the Boras guy complaining that teams would not sign Snell long term, then complaining that the signing team will not even eat half of the "cheap" pillow contract to get rid of him.
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Post by dcb26 on Jul 29, 2024 17:20:53 GMT -5
Re: Snell, I feel like there is a much greater chance that he picks up his option next year than most people seem to be thinking. And if he does, and the Sox acquire him, they are likely unable to make a long-term FA/high-salary acquisition in the offseason, while only having Snell for one more year
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 29, 2024 17:26:43 GMT -5
Re: Snell, I feel like there is a much greater chance that he picks up his option next year than most people seem to be thinking. And if he does, and the Sox acquire him, they are likely unable to make a long-term FA/high-salary acquisition in the offseason, while only having Snell for one more year That isn’t a bad thing. Honestly shot term deals at this money are way more preferable. Plus I see at as a unique opportunity it to deal Yoshida (with others) Other than extend maybe Jansen or O’Neill. I think FA will be reserved for bullpen arms and maybe a Giolito or Woodfruff type deal for Bieber I actually think Snell is a good fit even if he is likely to pick up the player option
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Post by dcb26 on Jul 29, 2024 17:30:40 GMT -5
Re: Snell, I feel like there is a much greater chance that he picks up his option next year than most people seem to be thinking. And if he does, and the Sox acquire him, they are likely unable to make a long-term FA/high-salary acquisition in the offseason, while only having Snell for one more year That isn’t a bad thing. Honestly shot term deals at this money are way more preferable. Plus I see at as a unique opportunity it to deal Yoshida (with others) Other than extend maybe Jansen or O’Neill. I think FA will be reserved for bullpen arms and maybe a Giolito or Woodfruff type deal for Bieber I actually think Snell is a good fit even if he is likely to pick up the player option Yeah, a "bad" outcome of having Blake Snell under contract on a one-year deal is certainly not awful. On the other hand, *if* the Sox are targeting someone else who is a FA or likely to be available this offseason, then Snell could pose a real risk those plans. Between the likely cost and the possibility of hindering their able to make moves in the offseason, I'm pretty out on Snell I think, but can definitely see the logic the other way too.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 17:31:25 GMT -5
Re: Snell, I feel like there is a much greater chance that he picks up his option next year than most people seem to be thinking. And if he does, and the Sox acquire him, they are likely unable to make a long-term FA/high-salary acquisition in the offseason, while only having Snell for one more year The way Snell’s player option is set up he basically gets paid like: 2025: 15 mil 2026: Free Agent 2027: (15 mil in deferred money) Even if Snell were able to get something close to the Lucas Giolito deal (let’s say 1 year 20 mil deal with a player option for another 20 mil), that would mean he would get more possible guaranteed money - 40 million compared to 30 - and also wouldn’t have to wait a year to receive it. And that’s a very conservative outcome if he looks great the rest of the way. www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/18356/blake-snell
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 17:38:38 GMT -5
That isn’t a bad thing. Honestly shot term deals at this money are way more preferable. Plus I see at as a unique opportunity it to deal Yoshida (with others) Other than extend maybe Jansen or O’Neill. I think FA will be reserved for bullpen arms and maybe a Giolito or Woodfruff type deal for Bieber I actually think Snell is a good fit even if he is likely to pick up the player option Yeah, a "bad" outcome of having Blake Snell under contract on a one-year deal is certainly not awful. On the other hand, *if* the Sox are targeting someone else who is a FA or likely to be available this offseason, then Snell could pose a real risk those plans. Between the likely cost and the possibility of hindering their able to make moves in the offseason, I'm pretty out on Snell I think, but can definitely see the logic the other way too. So much $ coming off the books and snell fills the number 1 hole. I dont see how him taking the option would be bad. Probably guarantees oivetta is gone ( probably is anyway). That said it Really dosnt seem like the way the team is heading.
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Post by dcb26 on Jul 29, 2024 17:44:00 GMT -5
Re: Snell, I feel like there is a much greater chance that he picks up his option next year than most people seem to be thinking. And if he does, and the Sox acquire him, they are likely unable to make a long-term FA/high-salary acquisition in the offseason, while only having Snell for one more year The way Snell’s player option is set up he basically gets paid like: 2025: 15 mil 2026: Free Agent 2027: (15 mil in deferred money) Even if Snell were able to get something close to the Lucas Giolito deal (let’s say 1 year 20 mil deal with a player option for another 20 mil), that would mean he would get more possible guaranteed money - 40 million compared to 30 - and also wouldn’t have to wait a year to receive it. And that’s a very conservative outcome if he looks great the rest of the way. www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/18356/blake-snellI'm not quite sure if I followed your post, but my thinking is: He's getting his 15 million + 15 million for 2024 no matter what. His base salary under the option in 2025 is 38 million, so even if he opts in for his age 32 season in 2025, if he can get say 4/100 after that (the Sonny Gray contract as a baseline, + 1 year as Snell will be a year younger) then he'll get 5/138 for that stretch, which I think he is unlikely to beat by going straight to free agency. Add in the late start and rough early going this year, and it only takes a short-term injury or a couple of bad games to make him look unappealing enough that its unlikely he gets good offers this offseason, vs. having a full year next year to re-prove himself. I fully admit this is a lot of guesswork on my part and I may well be missing some further nuance of his contract structure.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 29, 2024 17:46:29 GMT -5
If this is driving his price down, all the better. I don’t blame Crochet for trying to leverage a long-term deal, considering he’s currently being paid peanuts as one of the best workers on the planet in a profession with almost negative job security. I rather enjoyed our last experience with an outspoken White Sox southpaw with three years of control and world-class stuff.
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2024 17:54:30 GMT -5
DFA'ing Ty France to trade for Justin Turner is some extreme wheel spinning. Nearly identical rest of season projections. You’re underrating Turner’s Vibes+ tho
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 17:59:44 GMT -5
The way Snell’s player option is set up he basically gets paid like: 2025: 15 mil 2026: Free Agent 2027: (15 mil in deferred money) Even if Snell were able to get something close to the Lucas Giolito deal (let’s say 1 year 20 mil deal with a player option for another 20 mil), that would mean he would get more possible guaranteed money - 40 million compared to 30 - and also wouldn’t have to wait a year to receive it. And that’s a very conservative outcome if he looks great the rest of the way. www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id/18356/blake-snellI'm not quite sure if I followed your post, but my thinking is: He's getting his 15 million + 15 million for 2024 no matter what. His base salary under the option in 2025 is 38 million, so even if he opts in for his age 32 season in 2025, if he can get say 4/100 after that (the Sonny Gray contract as a baseline, + 1 year as Snell will be a year younger) then he'll get 5/138 for that stretch, which I think he is unlikely to beat by going straight to free agency. Add in the late start and rough early going this year, and it only takes a short-term injury or a couple of bad games to make him look unappealing enough that its unlikely he gets good offers this offseason, vs. having a full year next year to re-prove himself. I fully admit this is a lot of guesswork on my part and I may well be missing some further nuance of his contract structure. It seems like Spotrac doesn’t present it clearly, but he receives his 17 mil signing bonus in January 2026 (why so late I have no idea), which had been reported by “The Athletic” as non-transferable. Technically he’s only making 15 mil this season, but the signing bonus for the 2024 season he gets much later. So he’s getting that regardless. So for him it’s a question of whether you can get more than 30 mil (the 2025 player option) where half of it you don’t see for two years anyway. (this is the article - www.nytimes.com/athletic/5659860/2024/07/25/sf-giants-trade-deadline-luxury-tax/)Even Blake Snell off a meh season has good reason to think he can clear that in free agency. The situation where he doesn’t is if something has gone very very wrong (like a major injury). That’s not guaranteed to happen of course, but anyone trading for him risks telling their owner, “hey that guy I told you we’d have for two months? We now have to give him 30 million dollars over the course of multiple years to not play for us… Sorry about that, John!”
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 18:44:42 GMT -5
Lane Thomas to Cleveland for Alex Clemmey, Jose Tena and Rafael Ramirez. Clemmey got 2.3 million as a HS pitcher in the last draft and is doing fine in Low-A, Tena is a 23 y/o infielder on his second option year that the spreadsheets don't like and Ramirez is a medium pedigree Dominican not doing good in his Low-A debut. Thomas is pretty mediocre and is gonna get about $10 million before free agency in a year and a half. Meh all around
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 29, 2024 18:52:25 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 29, 2024 19:02:38 GMT -5
Between this and the Yankees probably getting Flaherty what exactly are the Sox doing? I understand Jansen, I think. Paxton was a move around the edges and Priester is for the future. Not exactly making impact moves for 24. They need a lot of help and while I get not exceeding the tax I feel this approach is halfhearted. Maybe I’ll be wrong and they’ll announce a big move.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 19:18:35 GMT -5
Astros gave up their #2 prospect/borderline top 100 guy, Jake Bloss, for the Kikuchi rental. Bloss was an underslot 3rd rounder last year that has already made the majors.
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