ericmvan
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 30, 2024 17:44:56 GMT -5
Who the holy f*** are you writing off here, Pivetta or Bello? Easy Eric! Not writing off either. You might be overreacting just a touch to what I expressed as mild disapointment maybe. I don't think Bello is a #4 this year - just too inconsistent, and - I was hoping for a stable veteran. I'm confident about his future and think he'll be good for years to come. i'm a little confused that you DO think he's presently a playoff caliber #4. Setting the bar pretty low there, IMO. You're over-estimating the quality of #4 starters in the post-season. Anyone better than average is good enough; that's the historical norm.
Bello was much better last year than this, he's he's had a handful of great starts, he's looked great pretty often in portions of his shaky starts, and he has two months to get it together under the eyes of experts. Given all that, you do not demote him to 5 starter. And that's without factoring in the difference between giving him a vote of confidence versus the opposite.
I'd say 60-40 or better that he proves good enough. But what you're really missing is the chance -- 1 in 3? maybe better -- that he he's a stud.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 30, 2024 17:46:42 GMT -5
I guess my only residual question is what they foresee out of the last bench spot (currently held by Jamie Westbrook). One would think Grissom would just come up after he finishes his rehab but there had been reporting by the Athletic that he might optioned.
Sogard time soon?
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 17:47:16 GMT -5
Chris Henrique reposted Sam Blum @samblum3 This is who the Angels got back for Luis Garcia: Ryan Zeferjahn, Matthew Lugo, Yeferson Vargas, Niko Kavadas. Good haul by angels for an expiring contract. I guess? None of these players were truly going to make an impact on the 26 man roster, let alone the 40 man.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 17:47:37 GMT -5
I guess my only residual question is what they foresee out of the last bench spot (currently held by Jamie Westbrook). One would think Grissom would just come up after he finishes his rehab but there had been reporting by the Athletic that he might optioned. Sogard time soon? I sure hope so. Kid deserves it.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 30, 2024 17:47:47 GMT -5
I’d say an effective deadline nothing special
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 30, 2024 17:48:13 GMT -5
The ultimate proof will be where the team stands at the end of September, but the Sox did address the roster in ways that were needed.
Paxton is not elite anymore, but he really has never been less that a quality MLB starter. Jansen upgrades back up catcher while adding RH bat. Very savy move in my opinion. Garcia and Sims are good gets today, finally a couple relievers that are not from the DFA tier. Ramirez Meh... Priester may impact 2024 a bit, but more likely in 2025. It is very good to add a starting pitcher in to the pipeline that can be considered MLB ready. Nick Yorke is the only player dealt that counts as " who you would rather not see traded" bucket in my opinion.
I am satisfied with the work done. Up to the players and coaches to get to post season !!
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 30, 2024 17:48:49 GMT -5
Portes is the only guy I mind being dealt. Especially for someone like simms hopefully it doesn’t come back to bite us.
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Post by capesox on Jul 30, 2024 17:50:16 GMT -5
Kind of surprised the Sox traded Portes and Vargas, both have gotten some attention this year as possible up and coming arms. They must think they're more reliever types otherwise I doubt they would have traded them.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 30, 2024 17:51:48 GMT -5
I still think Priester comes up the 2nd half of August and one of Houck or Crawford sees a phantom dl stint for rest
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 30, 2024 17:52:07 GMT -5
are we going to have Ramirez pitch tonight and then waive him tomorrow for Garcia? i'd feel bad for the guy but it makes the most sense.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 30, 2024 17:52:23 GMT -5
Feel like people should mostly be alright with the deadline. Nobody really moved hands that would have been a significant improvement, so it doesn't feel like they lost out on anyone. Dealt mostly guys who could be considered rule 5 crunches in the offseason which seems to be a perennial hope every deadline.
More than likely the ultimate barometer for this deadline when we look back in hindsight will be the priester vs Yorke calculation.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 17:53:08 GMT -5
are we going to have Ramirez pitch tonight and then waive him tomorrow for Garcia? i'd feel bad for the guy but it makes the most sense. Quite possibly. Wingenter is as good as gone. Seems like Ramirez or Horn would be the ones on the chopping block.
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 30, 2024 17:55:27 GMT -5
are we going to have Ramirez pitch tonight and then waive him tomorrow for Garcia? i'd feel bad for the guy but it makes the most sense. Quite possibly. Wingenter is as good as gone. Seems like Ramirez or Horn would be the ones on the chopping block. Horn and Wingenter both have options, so that's why I think it's Ramirez.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 30, 2024 17:56:47 GMT -5
Good haul by angels for an expiring contract. I guess? None of these players were truly going to make an impact on the 26 man roster, let alone the 40 man. I have faith the Angel's will find new and creative ways to cock it up. It's their speciality (In a Greg Girardo voice).
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Post by cheers on Jul 30, 2024 17:57:45 GMT -5
Easy Eric! Not writing off either. You might be overreacting just a touch to what I expressed as mild disapointment maybe. i'm a little confused that you DO think he's presently a playoff caliber #4. Setting the bar pretty low there, IMO.
Bello was much better last year than this, he's he's had a handful of great starts, he's looked great pretty often in portions of his shaky starts, and he has two months to get it together under the eyes of experts. Given all that, you do not demote him to 5 starter. And that's without factoring in the difference between giving him a vote of confidence versus the opposite.
I'd say 60-40 or better that he proves good enough. But what you're really missing is the chance -- 1 in 3? maybe better -- that he he's a stud.
I hear you, and willingly concede that all your points may become reality (and very sincerely hope you are correct). I was just a little taken aback by the less than clinical (holy f*&k) response. That isn't your M.O.!
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 17:57:55 GMT -5
I guess? None of these players were truly going to make an impact on the 26 man roster, let alone the 40 man. I have faith the Angel's will find new and creative ways to cock it up. It's their speciality (In a Greg Girardo voice). Being a prospect in the Angels system is basically a death sentence.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 30, 2024 17:59:39 GMT -5
I have faith the Angel's will find new and creative ways to cock it up. It's their speciality (In a Greg Girardo voice). Being a prospect in the Angels system is basically a death sentence. That is both dark, and accurate if you are a pitcher. Like going on a cruise with the Indian/Guardian's rotation during spring training.
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Post by geostorm on Jul 30, 2024 18:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 30, 2024 18:06:56 GMT -5
Angels and White Sox fans have every right to be furious. Missed some great opportunities to sell high on their assets to replenish their farm systems.
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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2024 18:08:37 GMT -5
Angels and White Sox fans have every right to be furious. Missed some great opportunities to sell high on their assets to replenish their farm systems. They’re both such incredibly inept orgs. They could both use Bloom IMO.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jul 30, 2024 18:09:10 GMT -5
Disgusting that the Dodgers didn’t even have to give up a top 100 prospect for him.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 30, 2024 18:09:59 GMT -5
Somehow we passed the trade deadline and westbrook is still on the team
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 30, 2024 18:12:36 GMT -5
Somehow we passed the trade deadline and westbrook is still on the team It’s more disgusting that we never gave Yorke a shot while having him on the roster.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 30, 2024 18:12:59 GMT -5
Disgusting that the Dodgers didn’t even have to give up a top 100 prospect for him. Who knows with prospects but seems light for the return on flaherty. That's the 1 deal this deadline I'd have really liked for breslow to have beaten. Not to mention the dodgers gave up a C prospect when they have probably the best C in the league signed long term already and still have rushing and cartaya so this guy was maybe their 4th/5th best young catcher in the org. Sweeney doesn't seem like much either. Maybe the Tigers just liked those guys more than who the sox were putting on the table.
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Post by pappyman99 on Jul 30, 2024 18:15:00 GMT -5
40 man decisions are really easy now and ultra flexibility if there are Angel like DFAs again like last year
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