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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 12, 2024 21:01:06 GMT -5
Seriously how do you let Dalbec bat last inning
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 12, 2024 21:07:08 GMT -5
Come on Kenley !!
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Post by cmax on Jun 12, 2024 21:16:29 GMT -5
Fantastic win. Well done.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 12, 2024 21:16:32 GMT -5
Great win!!
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 12, 2024 21:17:08 GMT -5
Best win of the season
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Post by asm18 on Jun 12, 2024 21:17:11 GMT -5
That’s one of their best wins of the year
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jun 12, 2024 21:21:19 GMT -5
1st win for Cam Booser !
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 12, 2024 21:26:06 GMT -5
Betting on the Red Sox .500 magnet has me up big this year
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Post by ephus on Jun 12, 2024 22:32:46 GMT -5
Given this team’s cosmic commitment to .500 are we rooting for a loss tomorrow to win the Yankees series?
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Post by manfred on Jun 13, 2024 4:00:00 GMT -5
Duran and Hamilton are the most exciting guys for me to watch in years on the Sox. If they can carry on, it will be so much fun. I love watching that kind of speed in larger skill sets.
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Post by cba82 on Jun 13, 2024 6:25:25 GMT -5
Duran and Hamilton are the most exciting guys for me to watch in years on the Sox. If they can carry on, it will be so much fun. I love watching that kind of speed in larger skill sets. Are we starting to think that Hamilton is the guy at short? Might his emergence increase the likelihood of a blockbuster trade involving Mayer? Or, is this just a nice story?
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Post by asm18 on Jun 13, 2024 6:57:25 GMT -5
Duran and Hamilton are the most exciting guys for me to watch in years on the Sox. If they can carry on, it will be so much fun. I love watching that kind of speed in larger skill sets. Are we starting to think that Hamilton is the guy at short? Might his emergence increase the likelihood of a blockbuster trade involving Mayer? Or, is this just a nice story? Hamilton has cleaned it up quite a lot at short, but he’s still not exactly Ozzie Smith over there defensively. With that said, I think he (along with Rafaela as needed) are fine there at SS for the time-being. But the person who may have more to worry about - especially short-term - would be Vaughn Grissom at second base. He’s having the season from Hell right now, and is still only 23. So if everyone is healthy (keep in mind Wilyer is coming back which forces either O’Neill/Refsnyder to the bench or Rafaela to the dirt) it’s possible he’s optioned to AAA to get right if Hamilton is just playing flat out better than him, as well as how the rest of the bench shakes out. (Valdez? Romy? A trade for a defensive oriented middle infielder?) I don’t think you deviate from Mayer based on a fun stretch from Hamilton.
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Post by cmax on Jun 13, 2024 7:02:40 GMT -5
Dusty Wathan holding Castellanos at 3rd was the turning point of the game last night.
The run easily would have scored as an annoying inside-the-park-homerun and the game was becoming a laugher. The Phills were having a bit too much fun in their dugout after the play, and quickly, momentum changed.
Pivetta struck out Harper and Bohm to strand Castellanos at 3rd. Devers tripled and scored in the home half of the 4th, and then Hamilton led off the big 5th with a single before scoring the first of 5 runs in the inning...
Tonight, a chance to win the series with Houck on the mound.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 13, 2024 7:16:19 GMT -5
Duran and Hamilton are the most exciting guys for me to watch in years on the Sox. If they can carry on, it will be so much fun. I love watching that kind of speed in larger skill sets. Are we starting to think that Hamilton is the guy at short? Might his emergence increase the likelihood of a blockbuster trade involving Mayer? Or, is this just a nice story? There is no way in hell I'd trade Mayer because of Hamilton's hot streak. It's a nice story and Hamilton is changing the idea I had on him that he was an up and down AAAA type of guy to now being a legitimate MLBer but I'm no where near ready to pencil him in as an every day guy going forward. Not at SS anyway, I'm not convinced yet that his best role for the next few seasons isn't as the backup MI who gets plenty of PT. Which honestly we've seen some of the dreck that they've thrown at SS/2nd base the last few seasons and Hamilton solidifying himself as a cheap backup MI is still really valuable to the team. I'm sure he will be in the competition for the 2nd baseman role next year too.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 13, 2024 7:56:21 GMT -5
This was the last game of the White Sox series. Two games later they came back from 11.4%.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 13, 2024 8:24:36 GMT -5
Are we starting to think that Hamilton is the guy at short? Might his emergence increase the likelihood of a blockbuster trade involving Mayer? Or, is this just a nice story? There is no way in hell I'd trade Mayer because of Hamilton's hot streak. It's a nice story and Hamilton is changing the idea I had on him that he was an up and down AAAA type of guy to now being a legitimate MLBer but I'm no where near ready to pencil him in as an every day guy going forward. Not at SS anyway, I'm not convinced yet that his best role for the next few seasons isn't as the backup MI who gets plenty of PT. Which honestly we've seen some of the dreck that they've thrown at SS/2nd base the last few seasons and Hamilton solidifying himself as a cheap backup MI is still really valuable to the team. I'm sure he will be in the competition for the 2nd baseman role next year too. I definitely agree that we aren't at the point yet. But there is an interesting question of what you do if Hamilton keeps it up all year and looks like a 3 WAR player. If that happens and one of Grissom or Valdez looks good then you have those two guys and Story and Mayer one step away. It's possible that Story keeps getting hurt and it doesn't matter until Mayer is ready, but it's also possible the best option is to trade somebody, though who that is isn't clear yet.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 13, 2024 9:11:36 GMT -5
There is no way in hell I'd trade Mayer because of Hamilton's hot streak. It's a nice story and Hamilton is changing the idea I had on him that he was an up and down AAAA type of guy to now being a legitimate MLBer but I'm no where near ready to pencil him in as an every day guy going forward. Not at SS anyway, I'm not convinced yet that his best role for the next few seasons isn't as the backup MI who gets plenty of PT. Which honestly we've seen some of the dreck that they've thrown at SS/2nd base the last few seasons and Hamilton solidifying himself as a cheap backup MI is still really valuable to the team. I'm sure he will be in the competition for the 2nd baseman role next year too. I definitely agree that we aren't at the point yet. But there is an interesting question of what you do if Hamilton keeps it up all year and looks like a 3 WAR player. If that happens and one of Grissom or Valdez looks good then you have those two guys and Story and Mayer one step away. It's possible that Story keeps getting hurt and it doesn't matter until Mayer is ready, but it's also possible the best option is to trade somebody, though who that is isn't clear yet. Another think to keep in mind is Grissom is the only RH out of Mayer, Hamilton, Valdez. I think because Hamilton can play SS and 2B that its Valdez that may be odd man out going forward. Bot not sure how much trade value he has tho.
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Post by asm18 on Jun 13, 2024 9:23:14 GMT -5
SPEEEEEEEEEED
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jun 13, 2024 9:38:21 GMT -5
Seriously how do you let Dalbec bat last inning The Red Sox had the lead and wanted to keep him in for his defense. I was a little surprised Dalbec was not pinch hit for too, but I could not shake the images of Smith the previous night out of my head and was rooting for Dalbec to stay in.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Jun 13, 2024 9:57:39 GMT -5
That and the cavernous confines of Fenway.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 13, 2024 10:15:12 GMT -5
Seriously how do you let Dalbec bat last inning The Red Sox had the lead and wanted to keep him in for his defense. I was a little surprised Dalbec was not pinch hit for too, but I could not shake the images of Smith the previous night out of my head and was rooting for Dalbec to stay in. I agree that that was probably the reason I just think it’s a really bad reason. Didn’t matter in the end though so all is well
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 13, 2024 10:15:50 GMT -5
I definitely agree that we aren't at the point yet. But there is an interesting question of what you do if Hamilton keeps it up all year and looks like a 3 WAR player. If that happens and one of Grissom or Valdez looks good then you have those two guys and Story and Mayer one step away. It's possible that Story keeps getting hurt and it doesn't matter until Mayer is ready, but it's also possible the best option is to trade somebody, though who that is isn't clear yet. Another think to keep in mind is Grissom is the only RH out of Mayer, Hamilton, Valdez. I think because Hamilton can play SS and 2B that its Valdez that may be odd man out going forward. Bot not sure how much trade value he has tho. There’s also Nick Yorke raking in AAA at the moment who could make himself part of the picture by the end of the year. Add: I think ideally they start testing the defensive versatility of all of Yorke, Valdez and Grissom or at least some combination of them. Grissom might make a decent backup 1B
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 13, 2024 10:31:02 GMT -5
If Hamilton continues to look the part, Story comes back next year and is able to play something like 3/4 of the games at either SS or 2nd and Mayer continues to look the part of a top 10 prospect with the ability to stick at SS my answer would be that Valdez would be the odd man out. Problem there is that Valdez probably doesn't return all that much in a trade right now. That being said according to Fangraphs Valdez and Hamilton both have two options left, Yorke will have three and I believe Grissom will have one or two depending on what the plan is with him this year and Mayer isn't Rule 5 eligible so they don't need to be in a hurry to add him to the 40.
So while it does seem like their options for MI are starting to stack up a bit, they are in no need to be in any hurry to start to figure out what the plan is.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 13, 2024 10:35:35 GMT -5
If Hamilton continues to look the part, Story comes back next year and is able to play something like 3/4 of the games at either SS or 2nd and Mayer continues to look the part of a top 10 prospect with the ability to stick at SS my answer would be that Valdez would be the odd man out. Problem there is that Valdez probably doesn't return all that much in a trade right now. That being said according to Fangraphs Valdez and Hamilton both have two options left, Yorke will have three and I believe Grissom will have one or two depending on what the plan is with him this year and Mayer isn't Rule 5 eligible so they don't need to be in a hurry to add him to the 40. So while it does seem like their options for MI are starting to stack up a bit, they are in no need to be in any hurry to start to figure out what the plan is. How much do you need Valdez to return in a trade? If they could swap him to a team that has an extra 1B/3B/DH type but could use more middle infield depth, it could make sense for both sides. (No idea who that might be though.)
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 13, 2024 10:42:47 GMT -5
If Hamilton continues to look the part, Story comes back next year and is able to play something like 3/4 of the games at either SS or 2nd and Mayer continues to look the part of a top 10 prospect with the ability to stick at SS my answer would be that Valdez would be the odd man out. Problem there is that Valdez probably doesn't return all that much in a trade right now. That being said according to Fangraphs Valdez and Hamilton both have two options left, Yorke will have three and I believe Grissom will have one or two depending on what the plan is with him this year and Mayer isn't Rule 5 eligible so they don't need to be in a hurry to add him to the 40. So while it does seem like their options for MI are starting to stack up a bit, they are in no need to be in any hurry to start to figure out what the plan is. How much do you need Valdez to return in a trade? If they could swap him to a team that has an extra 1B/3B/DH type but could use more middle infield depth, it could make sense for both sides. (No idea who that might be though.) This is very true, if they could get a RHH hitting 1st/3rd base type equivalent of Valdez from someone it would make a lot of sense. My main thought was that this perceived logjam with MI options, isn't any sort of issue to me. They don't really need to figure it out in the next season or two since all these guys are going to have options and even so these type of things seem to have a way of figuring themselves out anyway. If they decide hey we don't want Hamilton and Valdez on the bench for 2025, option one of them. Problem solved. The worst case scenario there is that they have an MLB caliber player waiting in the wings in AAA. Not a bad problem to have, especially with some of the depth guys they've been forced to use so far this year.
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