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7/2-7/4 Red Sox @ Marlins Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Jul 1, 2024 9:58:50 GMT -5
7/2 Red Sox (RHP Kutter Crawford, 3-7, 3.59, 92.2 IP, 95K:28BB) @ Marlins (RHP Valente Bellozo, 0-0, 0.00, 5.0 IP, 2K:0BB) 6:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 7/3 Red Sox (RHP Brayan Bello, 7-5, 5.55, 71.1 IP, 64K:29BB) @ Marlins (LHP Trevor Rogers, 1-8, 4.87, 81.1 IP, 64K:36BB) 6:40 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 7/4 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 4-5, 4.52, 61.2 IP, 68K:16BB) @ Marlins (RHP Kyle Tyler, 0-1, 3.38, 10.2 IP, 7K:5BB) 1:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2024: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by radiohix on Jul 1, 2024 10:20:45 GMT -5
We got swept in Fenway by this guys, let's return them the favor.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 1, 2024 10:32:33 GMT -5
Gotta win 2 out of 3 here with the MFY series coming up this weekend in the Bronx. Also really need a solid Bello start to help quell the worries that he’s totally out of it.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 1, 2024 10:36:25 GMT -5
Just dropped two of three in the middle of a packed WC race, gotta have two of three vs the crummy Marlins here.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 1, 2024 10:52:37 GMT -5
This has to be Bello's last chance, right? I mean, not FOREVER, but just for a few weeks.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 1, 2024 12:04:38 GMT -5
This has to be Bello's last chance, right? I mean, not FOREVER, but just for a few weeks. Seeing he’s always pitched well against the MFY, I think he’s given one more chance after this start before the team starts taking action on next steps.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 1, 2024 14:18:15 GMT -5
This has to be Bello's last chance, right? I mean, not FOREVER, but just for a few weeks. Seeing he’s always pitched well against the MFY, I think he’s given one more chance after this start before the team starts taking action on next steps. Whats next steps though ? He is our guy, part of the core and needs to learn from this. He needs to make adjustments at the big league level. A punitive demotion does not help him do that.
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Post by LoneStarSox on Jul 1, 2024 14:32:19 GMT -5
Kutter, Bello and Pivetta. Wow. Never did I think a series to open July would hold so much significance on so many levels. Win and we build momentum going into the weekend with the MFY, jump back into a WC spot and feel better about what’s been a very shaky group of starters of late. Lose and…will cede all that positive Mo we’ve generated this past month.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 1, 2024 15:14:05 GMT -5
Seeing he’s always pitched well against the MFY, I think he’s given one more chance after this start before the team starts taking action on next steps. Whats next steps though ? He is our guy, part of the core and needs to learn from this. He needs to make adjustments at the big league level. A punitive demotion does not help him do that. I don't mean a punitive demotion, just a fake IL stint. Get him a couple of weeks off to work on his mechanics and maybe relax him a bit. He's too good to be bad forever, maybe he's just stressed.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 1, 2024 18:04:37 GMT -5
Whats next steps though ? He is our guy, part of the core and needs to learn from this. He needs to make adjustments at the big league level. A punitive demotion does not help him do that. I don't mean a punitive demotion, just a fake IL stint. Get him a couple of weeks off to work on his mechanics and maybe relax him a bit. He's too good to be bad forever, maybe he's just stressed. He is going Wednesday vs. the Marlins. That would put him next vs. the A's ( with an off day Monday extra rest day) on the 9th, then last game before the AS break on the 14th. After that he could have up to 7 days off if needed without any IL stint.
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Post by puzzler on Jul 1, 2024 18:34:25 GMT -5
I don't mean a punitive demotion, just a fake IL stint. Get him a couple of weeks off to work on his mechanics and maybe relax him a bit. He's too good to be bad forever, maybe he's just stressed. He is going Wednesday vs. the Marlins. That would put him next vs. the A's ( with an off day Monday extra rest day) on the 9th, then last game before the AS break on the 14th. After that he could have up to 7 days off if needed without any IL stint. I'm not sure why we want to crater his confidence by allowing him to get destroyed on a regular schedule at this point. His numbers since the start of the season are getting worse every month...and not by just a little. If he was going to fix that going start to start, I think it would have happened by now.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 1, 2024 19:23:37 GMT -5
He is going Wednesday vs. the Marlins. That would put him next vs. the A's ( with an off day Monday extra rest day) on the 9th, then last game before the AS break on the 14th. After that he could have up to 7 days off if needed without any IL stint. I'm not sure why we want to crater his confidence by allowing him to get destroyed on a regular schedule at this point. His numbers since the start of the season are getting worse every month...and not by just a little. If he was going to fix that going start to start, I think it would have happened by now. Lets see how he looks Wednesday after the extra 3 days off this turn.
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Post by dirtdog on Jul 1, 2024 19:43:05 GMT -5
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 1, 2024 22:50:29 GMT -5
They have always seemed like very similar players to me. In addition to the stats in the quote, both are left handed hitting centerfielders who are tall but for their size usually (Ellsbury had one good homer year for us) don't hit as many homers as you might expect. The weakest tool for both, now that Duran has improved his fielding significantly, is their arms.
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Post by cdj on Jul 1, 2024 23:01:45 GMT -5
Time to destroy Valentine Bozo or whatever
He’s a 5’10 RHP that throws 91 with mediocre minor league numbers
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Post by asm18 on Jul 1, 2024 23:03:48 GMT -5
What’s nuts is Jacoby had 23 homers following that point, in the second half - a ridiculous power stretch he never duplicated, and which almost was enough to get the team into the playoffs until that painful last day in 2011. I don’t know that Duran will go on a similar binge but he had 6 bombs in the month of June.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 2, 2024 1:06:32 GMT -5
They have always seemed like very similar players to me. In addition to the stats in the quote, both are left handed hitting centerfielders who are tall but for their size usually (Ellsbury had one good homer year for us) don't hit as many homers as you might expect. The weakest tool for both, now that Duran has improved his fielding significantly, is their arms. I've never thought Ellsbury was a decent comp., I view it as lazy. Duran is an athlete and has similar profile and hitting patterns to another athlete, Brett no neck Gardner (37.2 career fWAR).
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Post by gerry on Jul 2, 2024 1:25:48 GMT -5
Well they were very alike in being taken apart, very early in their MLB careers by the defensive stats of their times, especially routes to fly balls. And then they were good. History repeats. History sometimes teaches patience I guess.
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Post by cheers on Jul 2, 2024 6:45:22 GMT -5
Seeing he’s always pitched well against the MFY, I think he’s given one more chance after this start before the team starts taking action on next steps. Whats next steps though ? He is our guy, part of the core and needs to learn from this. He needs to make adjustments at the big league level. A punitive demotion does not help him do that. I don't see it as punitive. I see it as instructional. He has some stuff to work on, and he's clearly flustered. You don't learn much from repeatedly unraveling, I suspect. AAA would take some of the pressure off for a bit. I bet he'd look a lot better after two or three low-anxiety starts - and hope he can be a #3 down the stretch. We know that it is in him.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 2, 2024 10:38:39 GMT -5
The Red Sox have allowed 351 runs in 83 games. If they keep pace they will allow less than just under 700 runs. Their previous seasons with sub-700 runs allowed in recent history (excluding 2020):
2018 - 647 runs 2017 - 668 2016 - 694
2013 -656
2008 -694 2007 -657
2002 -665
2002 is the only one that missed the playoffs (and they won 93 games in a one Wild Card format).
Let’s hope that runs allowed number at the end starts with a 6.
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 2, 2024 15:01:15 GMT -5
The Red Sox have allowed 351 runs in 83 games. If they keep pace they will allow less than just under 700 runs. Their previous seasons with sub-700 runs allowed in recent history (excluding 2020): 2018 - 647 runs 2017 - 668 2016 - 694 2013 -656 2008 -694 2007 -657 2002 -665 2002 is the only one that missed the playoffs (and they won 93 games in a one Wild Card format). Let’s hope that runs allowed number at the end starts with a 6. What I will remember from that 2002 team is Pedro, Lowe, and Wake finishing 1st, 2nd, and 4th in ERA and it would have been 1 2 3 if Wake didn't pitch his last inning. Zito finished 3rd and got the CY. That was the year Oakland won 20 in a row. It was a very good Sox team, especially after picking up Cliff Floyd.
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Post by cdj on Jul 2, 2024 15:35:37 GMT -5
Duran TON Abreu Devers Wong Yoshida Valdez Smith Rafaela SS
Vs RHP Valet Bozelli or something
9-2 Sox
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 2, 2024 17:42:50 GMT -5
Why isn't Hamilton playing? I am not crazy about TON hitting after Duran. He is back to the kk route lately.
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Post by cdj on Jul 2, 2024 17:52:20 GMT -5
HA HA BOZO
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Post by asm18 on Jul 2, 2024 17:54:19 GMT -5
Last seven games prior to tonight Masa’s statline has been .300/.364/.400 (115 wRC+). Did not even flinch at any of the first three pitches (including a changeup on an 0-2 count) before spraying the ball the other way. He might be locking in
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