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Red Sox Acquire RHP Trey Wingenter from the Tigers
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 6, 2024 20:37:24 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 6, 2024 20:57:03 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jul 6, 2024 21:00:34 GMT -5
I imagine we will see him throw his slider 60+% of the time
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 6, 2024 21:12:33 GMT -5
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 6, 2024 21:16:25 GMT -5
In his last AAA outing, his fastball averaged 97 with only 14" IVB. Batters are hitting .313 with .537 SLG against his fastball, with a 57% hard hit rate, and 13% barrels.
Results have been good against his slider, though he also gives up barrels against that when hitters make contact. He throws a splitter 7% of the time.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Jul 6, 2024 21:42:53 GMT -5
Not the Tiger pitcher many on this board were hoping for.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2024 1:10:24 GMT -5
Since he needs to be on the 40 man, I'm assuming he's going to be flipped.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 7, 2024 6:57:33 GMT -5
Since he needs to be on the 40 man, I'm assuming he's going to be flipped. Why? If he had an assignment clause that he invoked and the Red Sox had to trade someone to get him, it means multiple teams were interested and therefore had to make their best offers to Detroit. If the Red Sox were going to just flip him, what reason is there to think that another team is going to offer them more than they offered Detroit? |
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Post by gerry on Jul 7, 2024 10:21:48 GMT -5
The Sox (and other teams) have had to use a ton of RP’s. They have been pretty good at maximizing talent. Slaten, Booser, Horn are examples of this process. And with SP’s going 5-6-7 innings now this is likely be a forever process. Teams that get the process right have an advantage. Breslow, Bailey and co are themselves an advantage.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 7, 2024 10:47:33 GMT -5
The Sox (and other teams) have had to use a ton of RP’s. They have been pretty good at maximizing talent. Slaten, Booser, Horn are examples of this process. And with SP’s going 5-6-7 innings now this is likely be a forever process. Teams that get the process right have an advantage. Breslow, Bailey and co are themselves an advantage. Agree 100%! It is much easier to take a AAA pitcher and tweak his pitch usage and delivery, than it is to draft an 18 year old and project him 4 years into the future (and have to wait the development time, and hope he does not have TJ). As you mentioned, Slaten, Booser, Horn, and more on the way, Breslow and Bailey WAS the biggest acquisition of the last offseason!! It is a more effective and way cheaper to bring in a bunch of AAA pitchers that look interesting and fix them than to spend $25,000,000 on Montgomery and have him pitch like shit (or Giolito and be hurt). You obviously need some of those guys too, but to supplement, the Red Sox are making the most of other teams extras. You have a much larger margin for error, and it costs a whole lot less. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2024 11:05:33 GMT -5
Since he needs to be on the 40 man, I'm assuming he's going to be flipped. Why? If he had an assignment clause that he invoked and the Red Sox had to trade someone to get him, it means multiple teams were interested and therefore had to make their best offers to Detroit. If the Red Sox were going to just flip him, what reason is there to think that another team is going to offer them more than they offered Detroit? The Sox have multiple pitchers with higher probabilities of success including some that don't need to be on the 40 man, Zeferjahn, for example. Half of Worcester's pen is already on the 40 and aren't getting hit hard. Why use up another slot ? Sox didn't give up much and mostly, I wasn't thinking flipping him alone, I was thinking as a tack on with trade season looming. ADD: Does this sound like a Breslow stuff is easier to fix than control candidate to you ? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2024 11:53:55 GMT -5
Long haired 6'7" fastball slider pitcher does make we wonder if he could hit a flying seagull.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 7, 2024 12:46:43 GMT -5
Why? If he had an assignment clause that he invoked and the Red Sox had to trade someone to get him, it means multiple teams were interested and therefore had to make their best offers to Detroit. If the Red Sox were going to just flip him, what reason is there to think that another team is going to offer them more than they offered Detroit? The Sox have multiple pitchers with higher probabilities of success including some that don't need to be on the 40 man, Zeferjahn, for example. Half of Worcester's pen is already on the 40 and aren't getting hit hard. Why use up another slot ? Sox didn't give up much and mostly, I wasn't thinking flipping him alone, I was thinking as a tack on with trade season looming. ADD: Does this sound like a Breslow stuff is easier to fix than control candidate to you ? They just got him for CJ Weins on the condition he be added to the 40-man. I can't see how he moves the needle as a throw-in. He's effectively a waiver claim. |
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Post by bishop on Jul 7, 2024 14:11:53 GMT -5
Why? If he had an assignment clause that he invoked and the Red Sox had to trade someone to get him, it means multiple teams were interested and therefore had to make their best offers to Detroit. If the Red Sox were going to just flip him, what reason is there to think that another team is going to offer them more than they offered Detroit? The Sox have multiple pitchers with higher probabilities of success including some that don't need to be on the 40 man, Zeferjahn, for example. Half of Worcester's pen is already on the 40 and aren't getting hit hard. Why use up another slot ? Sox didn't give up much and mostly, I wasn't thinking flipping him alone, I was thinking as a tack on with trade season looming. ADD: Does this sound like a Breslow stuff is easier to fix than control candidate to you ? Yes, he kind of does? One elite pitch, a fastball that gets hits hard, and a walk rate that isn't great but isn't terrible either. 87 IP at the MLB level with a 12.5 K/9 and a 4.8 BB/9, 6th in AAA K rate right now among pitchers with 30+ IP, seems like a good candidate to see if you can tweak his pitch mix or pitch shapes or "teach him a sweeper" and see if you can unlock something, but doesn't even seem like a bad backend candidate if necessary due to injuries tomorrow. Why does Zeferjahn seem more likely to succeed to you? He's had much higher BB rates over 2023/24 outside of a small sample in Portland this year. |
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Post by bentossaurus on Jul 7, 2024 17:30:36 GMT -5
Seems like a project for the Driveline guys to me.
Get him to change his fastball shape so he can a) stop getting bombed every time he throws one and b)be more confident in throwing it near the zone as there's less of a chance of being hit.
Easier said than done though, but again if he fails, you just cut him.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2024 18:19:30 GMT -5
We'll see but guys that can't throw trikes with a straight fastball don't seem like candidates to do so with movement. If he's a planned project, it's July already.
Re: Zef, recently moved to the pen. Has stretches where the command is excellent, stretches where it isn't. Great fastball, decent mix. Just needs consistency.
Actually, I'm not sure why they moved him to the pen, holding velocity maybe ?
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Post by alnipper on Jul 7, 2024 20:57:12 GMT -5
We need strike throwers as well.  We'll see but guys that can't throw trikes with a straight fastball don't seem like candidates to do so with movement. If he's a planned project, it's July already. Re: Zef, recently moved to the pen. Has stretches where the command is excellent, stretches where it isn't. Great fastball, decent mix. Just needs consistency. Actually, I'm not sure why they moved him to the pen, holding velocity maybe ? |
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