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7/8 Gameday Thread: FCL Sox Seek To Gain On Division Leader
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 8, 2024 0:20:39 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 8, 2024 8:08:39 GMT -5
Red Sox released Elvis Soto, who was on the 60-day IL and seemed to be rehabbing down in Fort Myers.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 8, 2024 9:04:27 GMT -5
Red Sox released Elvis Soto, who was on the 60-day IL and seemed to be rehabbing down in Fort Myers. Has he left the building? … sorry |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2024 9:57:31 GMT -5
Red Sox released Elvis Soto, who was on the 60-day IL and seemed to be rehabbing down in Fort Myers. Has he left the building? … sorry I feel bad when a guy gets cut because it's literally someone losing their job, but... someone had to do it. |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 8, 2024 11:04:06 GMT -5
Has he left the building? … sorry I feel bad when a guy gets cut because it's literally someone losing their job, but... someone had to do it. Many more will get cut as the new draftees are added to the system. Was the main reason for cutting the domestic reserve list to cut cost? It makes managing rosters much more difficult? If cost was the reason, I do get it….. My wife used to say, “….if money were not an issue….” Lol, I am a financial planner, so money is ALWAYS an issue. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2024 11:59:07 GMT -5
I feel bad when a guy gets cut because it's literally someone losing their job, but... someone had to do it. Many more will get cut as the new draftees are added to the system. Was the main reason for cutting the domestic reserve list to cut cost? It makes managing rosters much more difficult? If cost was the reason, I do get it….. My wife used to say, “….if money were not an issue….” Lol, I am a financial planner, so money is ALWAYS an issue. Money was the reason. I would not say that paying 15 minor leaguers was an "issue" for anyone. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 8, 2024 12:09:24 GMT -5
They got rid of some union jobs right before it was about to get challenging to get rid of union jobs
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 8, 2024 12:32:33 GMT -5
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 8, 2024 12:50:03 GMT -5
I feel bad when a guy gets cut because it's literally someone losing their job, but... someone had to do it. Many more will get cut as the new draftees are added to the system. Was the main reason for cutting the domestic reserve list to cut cost? It makes managing rosters much more difficult? If cost was the reason, I do get it….. My wife used to say, “….if money were not an issue….” Lol, I am a financial planner, so money is ALWAYS an issue. Yeah. MLB said it was to pay minor leaguers more. There was a lawsuit against them for not paying minimum wage and what not. They gave them small raises in 2021 but last year, the MiLB players got the "bag" so to speak. www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28702734/mlb-raising-minimum-salary-minor-leaguers-2021 www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-minor-league-players-reach-deal-on-first-milb-cba/edit: Complex players went from making $3480 a year in 2019 to $4800 in 2021 to $19800 in 2023. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2024 12:59:13 GMT -5
But again, the context is 15 players making what, an average of 30-40k each? Teams don't have $450k?
Incredibly short-sighted.
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 8, 2024 13:01:21 GMT -5
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 8, 2024 13:04:58 GMT -5
But again, the context is 15 players making what, an average of 30-40k each? Teams don't have $450k? Incredibly short-sighted. I don't disagree. One of the arguments back then was the quality of play in the minor leagues would improve, ironically enough. It did not. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2024 14:30:54 GMT -5
But again, the context is 15 players making what, an average of 30-40k each? Teams don't have $450k? Incredibly short-sighted. I don't disagree. One of the arguments back then was the quality of play in the minor leagues would improve, ironically enough. It did not. So that's two different things. The elimination of short-season ball/40 minor league teams was the first thing, and after that point the DRL was 180. The DRL was cut back further this year to 165 (these are in-season - add 10 for the offseason). I got the argument, somewhat, that led to cutting to 120 full-season affiliates. I was always of the mind that if cutting that way led to minor leaguers getting a living wage, it would probably be a net positive. And in addition to increased pay, there were gains in all teams providing lodging and 2 meals a day that were big too. Pay during extended spring training. And so on. A lot of very good progress has been made on that front. But I was very wrong in foreseeing how that might affect player development. It clearly was harmful in that respect, imo. The idea was the vast majority of minor league player "lost jobs" would be the late day 3 types (corresponding cut from 40 to 20 rounds of the draft, etc.). Filler, if you will. Even if that's true, there's a "Minor league org guy" role that's been lost that had value in providing predictable competition at a given level, I think, as well as lost ability to get guys at similar positions quite as many reps. I think the lost COVID year is still more of an issue than we like to think it was too, but they're clearly still trying to figure out how development must change in this environment to make up for what was lost, because it ain't coming back. I think moving the FCL earlier was part of that, and quite smart. |
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Post by rickasadoorian on Jul 8, 2024 15:13:05 GMT -5
I don't disagree. One of the arguments back then was the quality of play in the minor leagues would improve, ironically enough. It did not. So that's two different things. The elimination of short-season ball/40 minor league teams was the first thing, and after that point the DRL was 180. The DRL was cut back further this year to 165 (these are in-season - add 10 for the offseason). I got the argument, somewhat, that led to cutting to 120 full-season affiliates. I was always of the mind that if cutting that way led to minor leaguers getting a living wage, it would probably be a net positive. And in addition to increased pay, there were gains in all teams providing lodging and 2 meals a day that were big too. Pay during extended spring training. And so on. A lot of very good progress has been made on that front. But I was very wrong in foreseeing how that might affect player development. It clearly was harmful in that respect, imo. The idea was the vast majority of minor league player "lost jobs" would be the late day 3 types (corresponding cut from 40 to 20 rounds of the draft, etc.). Filler, if you will. Even if that's true, there's a "Minor league org guy" role that's been lost that had value in providing predictable competition at a given level, I think, as well as lost ability to get guys at similar positions quite as many reps. I think the lost COVID year is still more of an issue than we like to think it was too, but they're clearly still trying to figure out how development must change in this environment to make up for what was lost, because it ain't coming back. I think moving the FCL earlier was part of that, and quite smart. I was wrong too. The problem with removing filler from MiLB is that the vast majority of MiLB is filler. Not quite universally, but close. It's made up largely of players who will never sniff the MLB. The other problem is that there are different levels of filler. Who does a team want to keep? That 25 year old in AA who clearly has no future but can hold his own or that 18 year old fresh out of HS? It's the 18 year old. That 18 year old has to play somewhere, so he starts in A ball. That causes a chain reaction of promotions of players who might not be ready for the next level. Just because someone is a far better prospect doesn't mean they are a better player right now than the 25 year old in AA. Or ever will be. As you said, thely lost reliable competition. Players reaching AA at 20-21 seems more commonplace. It's rushing the process. There should be more low level teams because every year there's a huge influx of really young talent that needs to weed itself out. It's weeding itself out in full season now. |
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Post by okin15 on Jul 9, 2024 10:07:16 GMT -5
At some point I was going to suggest that maybe the draft should be earlier, so you don't have all these guys getting cut mid-season, (and also the draftees could start earlier) but it seems from the above convo that it's very important to have a "half" season before draftees start such that we can see WHO might be cut. Basically fit two mini-seasons into the year.
That said, I wish they could bring back Short Season ball. My little cousin loved going to Lowell games, and I was definitely hoping to take my 4yo. The Wareham games have left us wanting.
On that note, dare I take a 4yo to see the Knockouts in Brockton this Friday?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 9, 2024 10:41:05 GMT -5
At some point I was going to suggest that maybe the draft should be earlier, so you don't have all these guys getting cut mid-season, (and also the draftees could start earlier) but it seems from the above convo that it's very important to have a "half" season before draftees start such that we can see WHO might be cut. Basically fit two mini-seasons into the year. That said, I wish they could bring back Short Season ball. My little cousin loved going to Lowell games, and I was definitely hoping to take my 4yo. The Wareham games have left us wanting. On that note, dare I take a 4yo to see the Knockouts in Brockton this Friday? Moving the draft earlier just moves the cuts earlier. |
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