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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 14, 2024 21:57:54 GMT -5
These teams with multiple picks are cleaning up.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 14, 2024 22:02:07 GMT -5
And there goes a bunch of college pitchers to wrap day one.
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Post by seamus on Jul 14, 2024 22:02:42 GMT -5
I trust the pitching dev team to add some velo without mucking up the shape that seems to make the fastball so effective, and even just adding a half-decent changeup may be enough to be a good bullpen arm.
(Also, if he can actually get the fastball to move in on both lefties and righties, he's probably actually throwing multiple fastballs and isn't really a one-pitch guy.)
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 14, 2024 22:09:01 GMT -5
Arizona..that was in the World Series last year gets a competitive balance pick. Ryan Johnson that a lot of people have mentioned goes to under funded Arizona.That CPB stuff is a joke IMNSHO.
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Post by notstarboard on Jul 14, 2024 22:12:29 GMT -5
Unless I read it wrong, the MLB.com broadcast said Tolle had 22" IVB on his fastball. That, plus his incredible extension and lower arm slot, sounds absolutely impossible to hit. I don't care if it's 90-92. Shota Imanaga is 8" shorter than Tolle and gets over a foot less extension, averages a similar 91.8 mph on his fastball, has a shade under 20" of IVB, and has been dominating MLB hitters with it. Did I read that wrong, or are people just seriously sleeping on this kid? I don't care if he's not some chiseled Adonis or if he doesn't have a third pitch... Honestly, get him on a major league conditioning program and into the pitching lab and he could take a big step forward, especially now that he's focusing on pitching full time, unlike a lot of his college career.
Edit: They called it 22" of " vertical break". I assume there's some nuance that separates that from IVB? I find it hard to believe he has more IVB than every MLB starter (see the scatter plot).
Edit 2: Been down a rabbit hole, and the gist is that 22" is probably the actual vertical break, as in, literally how far the pitch drops, whereas IVB is the amount less the pitch drops in the amount of time it's in the air compared to if it were only affected by gravity. I have no idea why anyone would report on vertical break, as IVB is really what you want, but alas, other opinions exist. Anyway, the napkin math here uses ~7'6" extension and a 90 mph fastball, both of which are close enough to Tolle's to give a decent estimate of how far the ball would drop due to gravity alone: 33.8". If we take that number, that would make his IVB ~12". High IVB is harder to come by at a lower arm slot (see the scatter plot in the first edit), so 12" is a better number than if he threw straight over the top (and of course it says nothing about any horizontal movement it may have). He'd be sort of in the middle of the data points in the bottom left of the plot with his ~12" IVB and a 5'4" release point. So, now I know why he wasn't the #1 overall pick, but it still looks like he has a good foundation here to build on in the minors. It already looks like a plausible MLB fastball. Adding a bit of velocity and another solid pitch, plus improving conditioning, could turn him into a very useful player.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 14, 2024 22:13:02 GMT -5
These teams with multiple picks are cleaning up. Of course they are. If you get rewarded for having bad management or ownership you get rewarded with extra picks. I always got mad when I saw Tampa Bay got all those picks because they had no fan base. Sure helped make that team a winner and kept them there.
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 14, 2024 22:13:08 GMT -5
Wonder if they still would’ve selected Montogomery if Rainer was still on the board too.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 14, 2024 22:47:43 GMT -5
I'm not a Dakota Jordan guy, but I'm pretty surprised he is still available. That said, he's not on my short list for round 3/4:
- Ryan Prager (though the A&M scuttlebutt is that he may come back) - Drew Beam - Carson Wiggins - Chase Mobley - Sawyer Farr - Conrad Cason - Austin Overn - John Spikerman
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Post by insanesoxfan on Jul 14, 2024 23:05:58 GMT -5
Top of my list for tomorrow is Joey Oakie or Dax Whitney. System is starved of starting pitching talent and in 3rd round the high school guys have the higher ceiling than college guys. Obviously the risk is higher but you win bigger if you hit. Whitney was rising a lot on national boards coming into the draft. Would be absolutely ecstatic if we could float him down to our pick.
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Post by bosoxkc on Jul 14, 2024 23:22:50 GMT -5
Beam Hagaman Sinnard
Sirota Tears
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 14, 2024 23:28:11 GMT -5
I don't want to go full Angels here, but I'd be perfectly happy with spending the the next few rounds throwing darts at pitchers as long as the talent is there.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 15, 2024 0:49:23 GMT -5
Seattle got the two handed pitcher. Have to admit I was very intrigued by him. Most pitchers are two handed. All but Jim Abbott as far as I remember! (I kid, I kid, but I loved Jim Abbott as a kid!) Totally off-topic department ...
Abbot's first two shutouts were against the Sox; I was at the second and it remains one of the two best pitching performances I've ever seen live.
There's more to this story, if you see this ... way cool.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 15, 2024 2:55:43 GMT -5
Most pitchers are two handed. All but Jim Abbott as far as I remember! (I kid, I kid, but I loved Jim Abbott as a kid!) Totally off-topic department ... Abbot's first two shutouts were against the Sox; I was at the second and it remains one of the two best pitching performances I've ever seen live. There's more to this story, if you see this ... way cool.
A lot of people don’t know this. But, Abbott was a very good QB in high school. And, a good basketball player too. Him and George Brett are my favorite non-Red Sox ever.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 15, 2024 7:11:10 GMT -5
Just saw this posted on X. Looks like a solid lineup, although a little too left handed which you could address at DH.
Red Sox 2026 lineup
C: Kyle Teel 1B: Triston Casas 2B: Ceddanne Rafaela 3B: Rafael Devers SS: Marcelo Mayer LF: Jarren Duran CF: Roman Anthony RF: Braden Montgomery
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 15, 2024 7:14:06 GMT -5
Just saw this posted on X. Looks like a solid lineup, although a little too left handed which you could address at DH. Red Sox 2026 lineup C: Kyle Teel 1B: Triston Casas 2B: Ceddanne Rafaela 3B: Rafael Devers SS: Marcelo Mayer LF: Jarren Duran CF: Roman Anthony RF: Braden Montgomery Personally if all goes well I'd be more interested in Rafaela in CF with Anthony/Montgomery DH'ing and rotating between RF. Toss Grissom/Yorke/Meidroth in at 2nd. Obviously Rafaela's ability to play multiple positions would be helpful since they'd have 4 OFer for just 3 spots defensively. Is it likely to pan out this way? Probably not. Still a Fun thought exercise on what an all home grown lineup could look like.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jul 15, 2024 7:19:40 GMT -5
Just saw this posted on X. Looks like a solid lineup, although a little too left handed which you could address at DH. Red Sox 2026 lineup C: Kyle Teel 1B: Triston Casas 2B: Ceddanne Rafaela 3B: Rafael Devers SS: Marcelo Mayer LF: Jarren Duran CF: Roman Anthony RF: Braden Montgomery I'm almost 100% certain that pornographic material is NOT allowed on this site.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 15, 2024 9:01:11 GMT -5
Kristin Campbell might be our 2b by this time next year.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 15, 2024 9:18:31 GMT -5
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 15, 2024 9:18:36 GMT -5
Just saw this posted on X. Looks like a solid lineup, although a little too left handed which you could address at DH. Red Sox 2026 lineup C: Kyle Teel 1B: Triston Casas 2B: Ceddanne Rafaela 3B: Rafael Devers SS: Marcelo Mayer LF: Jarren Duran CF: Roman Anthony RF: Braden Montgomery Personally if all goes well I'd be more interested in Rafaela in CF with Anthony/Montgomery DH'ing and rotating between RF. Toss Grissom/Yorke/Meidroth in at 2nd. Obviously Rafaela's ability to play multiple positions would be helpful since they'd have 4 OFer for just 3 spots defensively. Is it likely to pan out this way? Probably not. Still a Fun thought exercise on what an all home grown lineup could look like. Don't sleep on Mathew Lugo either!
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 15, 2024 9:31:25 GMT -5
Just saw this posted on X. Looks like a solid lineup, although a little too left handed which you could address at DH. Red Sox 2026 lineup C: Kyle Teel 1B: Triston Casas 2B: Ceddanne Rafaela 3B: Rafael Devers SS: Marcelo Mayer LF: Jarren Duran CF: Roman Anthony RF: Braden Montgomery I am really looking forward to the Sox drafting Jerry Jenkins, a LHH 1B from Maine today just to see the X melt-downs about being "too lefthanded"
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 15, 2024 20:53:05 GMT -5
I'd rather be too LHH than too RHH (as MFY have been lately).
If I heard correctly, Joe Castig noted that the Sox have won 20 of their last 21 games vs RH starting pitchers.
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Post by jbsox on Jul 15, 2024 22:22:27 GMT -5
Just saw this posted on X. Looks like a solid lineup, although a little too left handed which you could address at DH. Red Sox 2026 lineup C: Kyle Teel 1B: Triston Casas 2B: Ceddanne Rafaela 3B: Rafael Devers SS: Marcelo Mayer LF: Jarren Duran CF: Roman Anthony RF: Braden Montgomery I'm almost 100% certain that pornographic material is NOT allowed on this site. I haven’t given hope yet Bleis can be part of the mix too. Still extremely talented.
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Post by okin15 on Jul 16, 2024 15:01:15 GMT -5
I'm almost 100% certain that pornographic material is NOT allowed on this site. I haven’t given hope yet Bleis can be part of the mix too. Still extremely talented. nah, not allowed, he's a RHH. Can only have one of them, and only in the number 9 slot.
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