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2024 Draft Signing Period
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Post by foreverred9 on Jul 26, 2024 19:57:32 GMT -5
Last year they had Teel sign his contract at Fenway, take batting practice, and watch the game. It could just be that they did the majority of players at Fort Myers today, bought in a few of the top picks today, and then wrap it up with signing Montgomery later this weekend once the staff gets back to Boston from Fort Myers.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 26, 2024 21:06:58 GMT -5
Remember Montgomery isn't ready to take swings in Fenway, so not surprised he wasn't there today. I'm sure Montgomery is all but signed. His knee might make his signing slow the signing process. So my guess is Monday or Tuesday.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 27, 2024 5:57:10 GMT -5
Brandon Neely signed for $700k. $178.8 below slot.
Zach Erhard signed for $500k. $130.9k below slot.
Brandon Clarke: $400k. $57.9k below slot.
Blake Aita: 300k. 51.1k below slot.
Will Turner: 250k. $24.6k below slot.
Hudson White: 185k. $9.6k below slot.
Alex Bouchard: 150k
Joey Gartewll: 150k
Griffin Kilander: 60k
Yan Cruz: 150k
Cole Tolbert: 150k
D”Angelo Ortiz: 150k
Ben Hansen: 50k
Montgomery, Tolle, Cason, and Futrell still unsigned from the top 10 rounds. Brooks (11), Tygart (12), and Sprauge (13) unsigned from rounds 11-20. So far, they’ve saved $452,900 on their cap and given no over the cap bonuses to round 11-20 guys. All numbers according to MLB Draft Tracker
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 27, 2024 7:22:41 GMT -5
Brandon Neely signed for $700k. $178.8 below slot. Zach Erhard signed for $500k. $130.9k below slot. Brandon Clarke: $400k. $57.9k below slot. Blake Aita: 300k. 51.1k below slot. Will Turner: 250k. $24.6k below slot. Hudson White: 185k. $9.6k below slot. Alex Bouchard: 150k Joey Gartewll: 150k Griffin Kilander: 60k Yan Cruz: 150k Cole Tolbert: 150k D”Angelo Ortiz: 150k Ben Hansen: 50k Montgomery, Tolle, Cason, and Futrell still unsigned from the top 10 rounds. Brooks (11), Tygart (12), and Sprauge (13) unsigned from rounds 11-20. So far, they’ve saved $452,900 on their cap and given no over the cap bonuses to round 11-20 guys. All numbers according to MLB Draft Tracker So in other words, the entire meat of this draft hasn't signed yet.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 27, 2024 7:47:33 GMT -5
Tolle and Cason are both going to beat it but Brandon Neely received the most money for a pitcher in the draft since 2017.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 27, 2024 7:55:20 GMT -5
Brandon Neely signed for $700k. $178.8 below slot. Zach Erhard signed for $500k. $130.9k below slot. Brandon Clarke: $400k. $57.9k below slot. Blake Aita: 300k. 51.1k below slot. Will Turner: 250k. $24.6k below slot. Hudson White: 185k. $9.6k below slot. Alex Bouchard: 150k Joey Gartewll: 150k Griffin Kilander: 60k Yan Cruz: 150k Cole Tolbert: 150k D”Angelo Ortiz: 150k Ben Hansen: 50k Montgomery, Tolle, Cason, and Futrell still unsigned from the top 10 rounds. Brooks (11), Tygart (12), and Sprauge (13) unsigned from rounds 11-20. So far, they’ve saved $452,900 on their cap and given no over the cap bonuses to round 11-20 guys. All numbers according to MLB Draft Tracker So in other words, the entire meat of this draft hasn't signed yet. Well they need that approximately 450k excess free first to sign the overslot players.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 27, 2024 8:41:27 GMT -5
So that 450 plus the 500k overage has them at close to a million overshot for the remainder. They have 7.2 slots (Montgomery has 5.4 slot, and Tolle 1.8). Mike has them at 7.3 so that would cut the 950 left down into the 800s. Tygard and Cason should get most of that (which would be below what he projected). I also could see Montgomery closer to slot.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jul 27, 2024 8:50:40 GMT -5
Clarke underslot is a little surprising but I’m not complaining at all!
Seems about right in line with what’s needed to get the rest done, so I feel pretty decent about getting all 20 signed.
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Post by jchang on Jul 27, 2024 12:58:12 GMT -5
I am thinking Jud Fabina holdout strategy is probably a consideration. Fabian turned down $2M at pick 40 in 2021 got 1,026,800 from O's at pick 67 in 2022, We got Roman Anthony at pick 79 in 2022 as compensation for 2.5M, which meant sacrifices had to be made for the other picks
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2024 13:15:51 GMT -5
I am thinking Jud Fabina holdout strategy is probably a consideration. Fabian turned down $2M at pick 40 in 2021 got 1,026,800 from O's at pick 67 in 2022, We got Roman Anthony at pick 79 in 2022 as compensation for 2.5M, which meant sacrifices had to be made for the other picks Fabian wasn't a holdout. He had cut a deal with the Orioles a couple picks later and said he wouldn't sign with them for less than that. They called his bluff while still offering him overslot and he stuck to his guns and went to school.
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Post by jchang on Jul 27, 2024 13:31:39 GMT -5
I am thinking Jud Fabina holdout strategy is probably a consideration. Fabian turned down $2M at pick 40 in 2021 got 1,026,800 from O's at pick 67 in 2022, We got Roman Anthony at pick 79 in 2022 as compensation for 2.5M, which meant sacrifices had to be made for the other picks Fabian wasn't a holdout. He had cut a deal with the Orioles a couple picks later and said he wouldn't sign with them for less than that. They called his bluff while still offering him overslot and he stuck to his guns and went to school. and how did it work out for him? on our side, the bonus was Roman although sacrifices were made for the overslot
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Post by incandenza on Jul 27, 2024 13:34:22 GMT -5
Cutter Coffey was the compensation for Fabian, wasn't he? Anthony was the compensation for losing Eduardo Rodriguez in free agency. So says the draft history page.
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Post by jchang on Jul 27, 2024 13:39:44 GMT -5
Cutter Coffey was the compensation for Fabian, wasn't he? Anthony was the compensation for losing Eduardo Rodriguez in free agency. So says the draft history page. I think you are right, Cutter was #41, 21 Jud was 40 I didn't realized we lost our #2? and got a 2C?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2024 14:16:44 GMT -5
Fabian wasn't a holdout. He had cut a deal with the Orioles a couple picks later and said he wouldn't sign with them for less than that. They called his bluff while still offering him overslot and he stuck to his guns and went to school. and how did it work out for him? on our side, the bonus was Roman although sacrifices were made for the overslot I wasn't making a point. I was just clarifying something you said.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 27, 2024 14:54:33 GMT -5
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jul 27, 2024 15:24:20 GMT -5
I am thinking Jud Fabina holdout strategy is probably a consideration. Fabian turned down $2M at pick 40 in 2021 got 1,026,800 from O's at pick 67 in 2022, We got Roman Anthony at pick 79 in 2022 as compensation for 2.5M, which meant sacrifices had to be made for the other picks Fabian wasn't a holdout. He had cut a deal with the Orioles a couple picks later and said he wouldn't sign with them for less than that. They called his bluff while still offering him overslot and he stuck to his guns and went to school. Pedant alert - they did not call his bluff as subsequent actions showed that he was not bluffing. They mistook his stated convictions for a bluff. Not a bad gamble, but there was no bluff to call.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 27, 2024 15:52:24 GMT -5
Fabian wasn't a holdout. He had cut a deal with the Orioles a couple picks later and said he wouldn't sign with them for less than that. They called his bluff while still offering him overslot and he stuck to his guns and went to school. Pedant alert - they did not call his bluff as subsequent actions showed that he was not bluffing. They mistook his stated convictions for a bluff. Not a bad gamble, but there was no bluff to call. Not to derail this discussion but I am pretty certain I used the phrase correctly. They weren't successful, but they did call his bluff. It's from poker. You think someone is bluffing, so you call. Don't step to king pedant.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 27, 2024 15:55:38 GMT -5
I don't think Jud really knew if he was bluffing or not at the time the bet was called.
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jul 27, 2024 15:59:57 GMT -5
Pedant alert - they did not call his bluff as subsequent actions showed that he was not bluffing. They mistook his stated convictions for a bluff. Not a bad gamble, but there was no bluff to call. Not to derail this discussion but I am pretty certain I used the phrase correctly. They weren't successful, but they did call his bluff. It's from poker. You think someone is bluffing, so you call. Don't step to king pedant. Well now it must be derailed. A bluff in poker or anywhere else means that you are implying to your opponent that something that isn't true, is true. But what Fabian apparently told the Sox - I had a deal for 2M and will only sign for 2M - was true. The Sox believed that he was buffing about the deal and/or his conviction to only sign for that deal, but in fact would sign for slot. If he signed for slot, then he would have been bluffing and the Sox would accurately be seen as having called his bluff. A bluff has to be revealed in the end to have not been true or to be concealing the real, less flattering truth. To his financial detriment, Fabian was not bluffing. You can't call a bluff if the person was true to the hand he was showing. I will die on this hill!
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Post by jchang on Jul 27, 2024 17:54:59 GMT -5
My understanding was that he had deal for 2.4M with the O's at pick 41 when the Sox took him at 40, and had room to offer him a sliver over 2M. Whatever the actual numbers are, the point is not whether Jud was serious about his intent, but whether his is better off taking the reduced number of 2M vs his expectation of 2.4M. He could see the Sox were not low balling, but were up against the pool. He earned his 2021 MLB ranking of 23, 27 BA, 37 PG. In 2021, 2.4 was slot for 29/30, so his number was not unreal. In 2022, 2.4M is slot at 31/32. The O's did not take him with pick 33 or 42, but 67, for which slot was 1026300, and signed for 1026800, 500 over slot. Not sure what his MLB/BA/PG rankings were for 2022. Achieving very high national ranking is very difficult and a degree of luck / avoiding bad luck is involved. I am thinking most draft picks will appreciate this and take a good offer over the risk losing ground next year (more for college juniors). High schoolers may want college more.
MLB 2022 : Jud Fabian 52
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Post by bluechip on Jul 27, 2024 18:43:28 GMT -5
My understanding was that he had deal for 2.4M with the O's at pick 41 when the Sox took him at 40, and had room to offer him a sliver over 2M. Whatever the actual numbers are, the point is not whether Jud was serious about his intent, but whether his is better off taking the reduced number of 2M vs his expectation of 2.4M. He could see the Sox were not low balling, but were up against the pool. He earned his 2021 MLB ranking of 23, 27 BA, 37 PG. In 2021, 2.4 was slot for 29/30, so his number was not unreal. In 2022, 2.4M is slot at 31/32. The O's did not take him with pick 33 or 42, but 67, for which slot was 1026300, and signed for 1026800, 500 over slot. Not sure what his MLB/BA/PG rankings were for 2022. Achieving very high national ranking is very difficult and a degree of luck / avoiding bad luck is involved. I am thinking most draft picks will appreciate this and take a good offer over the risk losing ground next year (more for college juniors). High schoolers may want college more. MLB 2022 : Jud Fabian 52 The thing about a player like Fabian is that they have zero leverage. By refusing to take the offer, he’s got one more chance at a draft, but runs a huge risk by going back in. It’s not like he personally going to be in this situation numerous times in the future so he needs to show teams he is being serious and is willing to risk not signing. The Red Sox will be in this situation numerous times and can show draft picks that they are serious when they put their last and final on the table. And even if they don’t sign the pick they get compensation next year so the risk is minimized.
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 27, 2024 19:18:07 GMT -5
On top of losing out on an extra million, he also lost a year of developmental time and a year he could've gotten to FA earlier (if he ever makes the majors).
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 27, 2024 19:20:18 GMT -5
Kinda surprised Ben Hansen only signed for 50K, being a sophomore.
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Post by cba82 on Jul 27, 2024 20:08:44 GMT -5
Kinda surprised Ben Hansen only signed for 50K, being a sophomore. Agreed. He’s not young, maybe the negotiating leverage of going back to school was not as much of an option for him.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 27, 2024 20:38:30 GMT -5
I don't think Jud really knew if he was bluffing or not at the time the bet was called. I remember the reports of this at the time (I was sort of fascinated by the mix of moral and game theoretical issues). He mulled it over with his family; there was much agita; weeping was reported. The sense I got was that he at least considered the Sox' offer but ultimately turned it down out of a sense of wounded pride that was probably goosed on by people around him, though I'm speculating about that.
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