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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 22, 2024 23:48:08 GMT -5
Could we see Wingenter tomorrow? I hope not, but what other options are there at this point. Fresh arms have got to come from somewhere.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 22, 2024 23:52:37 GMT -5
It's not exactly false at the moment. Without Martin and Slaten the pen sucks. Add in a struggling or understandably absent Kenley , it becomes a terrible pen. They've been beaten by freaking Kiké Hernandez twice and Sam Hilliatd. That's enbarrassing. To be fair, I think most pens would suck if you took out two reliable arms. Not disputing that, but what they have now is what they have now, which is not good. They cant handle high leverage situations. It's one thing to pitch in the 6th. Its another thing to pitch in the late innings with the game on the line.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 23, 2024 0:55:12 GMT -5
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Post by finaliz3d on Jul 23, 2024 0:56:29 GMT -5
Wingenter had 2IP on the 21st, could be available for an inning I guess, Speas is rested as well. That being said, honestly I'd probably be bringing up Keller. you need a guy who can eat a lot of innings if necessary and while all three options suck, keller can atleast eat innings i guess.
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Post by keninten on Jul 23, 2024 1:14:07 GMT -5
Keller and Wingenter for Horn and Weissert?
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Post by kwodes on Jul 23, 2024 5:15:23 GMT -5
combine this with the start of the year and the sox legitimately should be like 20 games over .500 right now.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 23, 2024 7:48:02 GMT -5
5 blown saves in 4 games since the ASB lol
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 23, 2024 7:49:30 GMT -5
literally done this song and dance The newest Broadway smash from the folks who brought you "No, No Nanette" and "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown"!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 23, 2024 8:00:43 GMT -5
Something I didn't take into consideration. Tanner Houck has already eclipsed his career high in innings pitched. Crawford is about 11 innings away. That's a big concern since there's still 2 months left of baseball.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 23, 2024 8:05:43 GMT -5
In 4 games since the break the Red Sox bullpen has had 7 meltdowns, a -1.35 WPA and -0.4 WAR (all worst in the league).
Overall the pen has actually been solid on the year, but this stretch took them from positive in clutch moments to negative and dropped them a few places in all the rankings. Somewhat to be expected when you lose two (and in Colorado it’s three) of your best RPs, but you’d really like the depth to hold up better than this. Their spaghetti throws have not worked out this year.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 23, 2024 8:09:34 GMT -5
Also total hindsight for me (though I think others wanted this at the time) but I’m salty they didn’t protect Ryan Fernandez.
I don’t know who they kept over him but I know right now he could have like half a dozen of the 40 man spots and if he did the team probably has another win or two.
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Post by greenmonster on Jul 23, 2024 8:13:13 GMT -5
Something I didn't take into consideration. Tanner Houck has already eclipsed his career high in innings pitched. Crawford is about 11 innings away. That's a big concern since there's still 2 months left of baseball. Its not like there weren't numerous posters pointing that out several weeks ago
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 23, 2024 8:26:06 GMT -5
Something I didn't take into consideration. Tanner Houck has already eclipsed his career high in innings pitched. Crawford is about 11 innings away. That's a big concern since there's still 2 months left of baseball. Its not like there weren't numerous posters pointing that out several weeks ago Admittedly I've been mostly off the board since a little before the ASB and even then just been in the game threads. I did say it was something I hadn't considered, not that it wasn't something I hadn't seen mentioned.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 23, 2024 8:51:50 GMT -5
Last night's game had so many key moments - the missed ump call, flubbed O'Neill play, Rafaela's amazing D, Wong's great throw, Dom's huge hit, Westbrook's homer, Abreu's pinch hit, Hamilton's terrible ABs, McGuire's mystifyingly terrible AB just to name a few. Game had so many points to turn on.
We ran out of arms (the right arm) to me is the headline.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 23, 2024 9:41:36 GMT -5
Another day, another ump that was horrible at this job
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 23, 2024 10:23:12 GMT -5
Yep - +1 run for Col.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 23, 2024 10:24:50 GMT -5
My Time Hop came up today on Facebook and on this day in 2022 the Sox lost 28-5, Duran lost a fly ball in CF, and in 2012 they traded Kevin Youkilis(career 32.4 WAR) to the CWS for Zach Stewart(career -1.7WAR) and Brent Lilibridge (career -.9 WAR) and then flipped Lilibridge 7/24/12 for Jose De La Torre, who pitched 7 mlb games EVER all in that horrible 2012 season for us.
So.. the tea leaves do not look favorable today.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 23, 2024 11:18:41 GMT -5
I have a feeling Criswell is going to throw a complete game shutout now because that seems to be how baseball goes.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 23, 2024 11:25:36 GMT -5
I think the Sox will probably split the next 2 games. Theyll probably have an offensive explosion game where they dont strand a village and win big, but then drop another aggravating game.
Then they play the Yankees. Last time they caught the Yankees at a time where they were in a very bad way. The Yankees will be catching the Red Sox who are in a very bad way and I'm worried that the Sox could be 55-49 or 54-50 by the time the weekend is up. I wonder if that would alter their decision making.
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Post by cba82 on Jul 23, 2024 11:35:07 GMT -5
Maybe Devers should not have “rested his shoulder” during the All Star break — 1-for-16 since.
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Post by orion09 on Jul 23, 2024 13:05:29 GMT -5
Maybe Devers should not have “rested his shoulder” during the All Star break — 1-for-16 since. It’s also possible he’s 1-for-16 because of his shoulder.
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Post by costpet on Jul 23, 2024 14:22:51 GMT -5
Buy or sell depending on the next 7 days. I'd bet on sell.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 23, 2024 15:05:10 GMT -5
Ty Blach is going for the Rockies today. He is in the 1st percentile (I.e. the worst) in strikeout rate, whiff rate, and xERA in 59 innings. He has an 89 mph sinker - and throws with some of the worst extension in the league.
Unfortunately, he is a left-handed starter.
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Post by kwodes on Jul 23, 2024 15:54:36 GMT -5
Ty Blach is going for the Rockies today. He is in the 1st percentile (I.e. the worst) in strikeout rate, whiff rate, and xERA in 59 innings. He has an 89 mph sinker - and throws with some of the worst extension in the league. Unfortunately, he is a left-handed starter. The ultimate test... one of the worst pitchers in baseball in one of the most hitter-friendly parks in baseball vs he throws with his left arm instead of his right.
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Post by shagworthy on Jul 23, 2024 17:10:56 GMT -5
Another day, another ump that was horrible at this job *Ducks* I'm going to post an unpopular opinion. We all get mad when we feel the Sox get squeezed in a game, but honestly the umpires are not the problem, they're just a convenient target. If you looked at all of the teams in MLB, I'd bet within a margin of error they all get screwed out of a few games a year on erroneous calls, but the truly good teams are good despite that. If everything has to break perfectly for you to be a good team then you're a middle of the pack team and you've made your own luck. This team has been horses*it against lefties, and largely non-existent with RISP. Both are recipes for bad losses. They also have a losing record at home. While I can rail against the umpires with the best of them in the heat of the moment, this is totally on them as a team.
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