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7/26-7/28 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 22:37:33 GMT -5
Glad I didnt spend more than 5 minutes watching the game tonight. I knew theyd get their ass kicked tonight.
It would be tough to play much worse than they have since the all star break. Practically every pitcher has been awful and contributed to losing. Their situational hitting has been awful. That play last night where Rafaela and the 3td base coach werent paying attention was embarrassing.
Despite that they're only 1 game out. I'm glad the top of the farm is intact but disappointed that the best they could do for upgrades is adding a starter who has pitched poorly since last August, a backup catcher, and a relief pitcher who is awful. I truly hope they can really improve their team without giving up their top 5 and Arias. There's still time but I'm getting worried that they wont improve their team. They're only 1 game out of a playoff spot so punting would be monumentally stupid, but now they do have to watch out for Seattle. They dont have to build their team to catch Baltimore and New York but they certainly need to be better than 2 of KC, Minn, and Seattle, which is doable, despite their shitty week and a half of craptastic baseball.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 28, 2024 22:54:18 GMT -5
Next three games are huge - last three before a tough road trip (Texas, KC). Gilbert/Castillo/Kirby, all very good pitchers, but right handed (thankfully). If we fold like cheap suits again, it will be only 3 games over .500 and one possible direction for the deadline. If we sweep, it is 9 over .500 and we knock down a WC competitor and it shows Breslow something.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 22:59:58 GMT -5
Next three games are huge - last three before a tough road trip (Texas, KC). Gilbert/Castillo/Kirby, all very good pitchers, but right handed (thankfully). If we fold like cheap suits again, it will be only 3 games over .500 and one possible direction for the deadline. If we sweep, it is 9 over .500 and we knock down a WC competitor and it shows Breslow something. 2 of those 3 games against Seattle occur after the deadline so I dont think it'll influence any moves 1 way or the other.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 28, 2024 23:03:40 GMT -5
Next three games are huge - last three before a tough road trip (Texas, KC). Gilbert/Castillo/Kirby, all very good pitchers, but right handed (thankfully). If we fold like cheap suits again, it will be only 3 games over .500 and one possible direction for the deadline. If we sweep, it is 9 over .500 and we knock down a WC competitor and it shows Breslow something. 2 of those 3 games against Seattle occur after the deadline so I dont think it'll influence any moves 1 way or the other. D'OH - yup. I clearly need sleep. Well, then tomorrow is quite a huge game. Wonder if the decision is already baked in based on post ASG play? Will be interesting for sure.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 28, 2024 23:12:02 GMT -5
2 of those 3 games against Seattle occur after the deadline so I dont think it'll influence any moves 1 way or the other. D'OH - yup. I clearly need sleep. Well, then tomorrow is quite a huge game. Wonder if the decision is already baked in based on post ASG play? Will be interesting for sure. I think Breslow said his decision is based on the body of the whole work which means a crappy 9 game stretch doesnt overrule the totality of them playing reasonably well and being tight in the thick of contention for a playoff spot, which they are. Tomorrows game doesnt change that scenario.
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Post by asm18 on Jul 28, 2024 23:26:08 GMT -5
D'OH - yup. I clearly need sleep. Well, then tomorrow is quite a huge game. Wonder if the decision is already baked in based on post ASG play? Will be interesting for sure. I think Breslow said his decision is based on the body of the whole work which means a crappy 9 game stretch doesnt overrule the totality of them playing reasonably well and being tight in the thick of contention fir a playoff spot, which they are. Tomorrows game diesnt change that scenario. It’d be one thing if after losing tomorrow Breslow was like, “Wait… do we actually suck?” and er, changed lanes. But their mindset - rightly or wrongly - appears to be that their team is an otherwise good car that needs some fixes rather than a dying car thats clearly headed towards the junk yard and not worth spending money on to try to save. I guess we’ll see if they’re right
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 28, 2024 23:33:02 GMT -5
That brainfart by Rafaela was the winning run if you check back how the game went. they should have won 9-8. No extra innings needed. These little league plays can't be tolerated by Cora. tonight they just got beat pure and simple, but squandered a win big time yesterday.they thought there was a timeout? by who?
I am disgusted by the lack of awareness by some of the players and the pitching has been downright atrocious by all starters and bullpen too. Bailey magic wearing down? Not looking so hot right now. I know some will say that you can't predict how the game would go because of his bonehead play, but it was directly responsible for the loss.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jul 29, 2024 0:09:44 GMT -5
I think Breslow said his decision is based on the body of the whole work which means a crappy 9 game stretch doesnt overrule the totality of them playing reasonably well and being tight in the thick of contention fir a playoff spot, which they are. Tomorrows game diesnt change that scenario. It’d be one thing if after losing tomorrow Breslow was like, “Wait… do we actually suck?” and er, changed lanes. But their mindset - rightly or wrongly - appears to be that their team is an otherwise good car that needs some fixes rather than a dying car thats clearly headed towards the junk yard and not worth spending money on to try to save. I guess we’ll see if they’re right Not changing the motor. Just an oil change and a couple tires.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2024 9:11:12 GMT -5
Crawford and Houck need time off and that's even if it's going to fix their woes. They look spent. Beyond them, they have no rotation. Bello and Pivetta could be OK. They can also have their faces ripped off. Paxton was literally just DFA'd. Criswell is a fine swing guy.
The bullpen without Martin and Slaten is nonexistent. Martin left with anxiety. Guys have missed entire baseball seasons over this. Justin Slaten has not thrown a bullpen session yet.
Triston Casas is starting rehab this week. This should theoretically help the offense and defense. I would caution that since he's missed most of the season that he'll likely have a few weeks of not hitting ala Yoshida. The offense, despite having some black holes in the there (Gonzalez, Westbrook, Smith), is fine.
Dombrowski just blew up the trade market for pitchers. A few weeks ago they needed to start making moves, but the consensus was no one else had so it was unrealistic to expect the Red Sox to, which is kind of fair, but now Dombrowski has set the market and the capital is something I don't want this team to spend. I think being first to make a move early, even if an overpay, would have been wise as it was both critically needed and now the cost is absurd. Maybe this was always the market. My feeling on it is that the high asks just went higher after the Carlos Estévez trade. I get he's been a great closer this year, but they gave up MLBs 23rd and 28th rated prospects for a closer who is a free agent at the end of the season.
So, if someone wants to go nuts for Jansen, O'Neil or whatever pending free agents, I'm here for it. Outside of other teams around the Red Sox playing poorly and only being 1 game out of the 3rd Wild Card (played 2 less games than KC and would need to win both to tie, ahead of Mariners, but Mariners have 1 more win, and Rays have 1 less win) I don't love their odds. They've looked absolutely abysmal both pitching and defensively. Again, the offense has been rather solid.
If they want to buy, that's fine, but I don't think the Justin Turner, a 7th inning reliever and 4-6 starter is going to fix the Red Sox current woes and at that point I don't really understand what the point is.
By the way, Fangraphs has downgraded the Red Sox playoff odds to 36.9%. Baseball Reference gives them 39.5%.
If Breslow is able to thread a needle where he buys, but he's able to get guys with multiple years of term on reasonably fair trades I would give him a ton of credit since it's something to help for this year and beyond. That doesn't mean trading Roman Anthony for a guy with 1 1/2 years of term unless they can extend. I'm thinking this deadline could be a buy and sell situation.
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Post by trotman on Jul 29, 2024 10:50:05 GMT -5
Crawford and Houck need time off and that's even if it's going to fix their woes. They look spent. Beyond them, they have no rotation. Bello and Pivetta could be OK. They can also have their faces ripped off. Paxton was literally just DFA'd. Criswell is a fine swing guy. The bullpen without Martin and Slaten is nonexistent. Martin left with anxiety. Guys have missed entire baseball seasons over this. Justin Slaten has not thrown a bullpen session yet. Triston Casas is starting rehab this week. This should theoretically help the offense and defense. I would caution that since he's missed most of the season that he'll likely have a few weeks of not hitting ala Yoshida. The offense, despite having some black holes in the there,(Gonzalez, Westbrook, Smith) is fine. Dombrowski just blew up the trade market for pitchers. A few weeks ago they needed to start making moves, but the consensus was no one else had so it was unrealistic to expect the Red Sox to, which is kind of fair, but now Dombrowski has set the market and the capital is something I don't want this team to spend. I think being first to make a move early, even if an overpay, would have been wise as it was both critically needed and now the cost is absurd. Maybe this was always the market. My feeling on it is that the high asks just went higher after Carlos Estévez trade. I get he's been a great closer this year, but they gave up MLBs 23rd and 28th rated prospects for a closer who is a free agent at the end of the season. So, if someone wants to go nuts for Jansen, O'Neil or whatever pending free agents, I'm here for it. Outside of other teams around the Red Sox playing poorly and only being 1 game out of the 3rd Wild Card (played 2 less games than KC and would need to win both to tie, ahead of Mariners, but Mariners have 1 more win, and Rays have 1 less win) I don't love their odds. They've looked absolutely abysmal both pitching and defensively. Again, the offense has been rather solid. If they want to buy, that's fine, but I don't think the Justin Turner, a 7th inning reliever and 4-6 starter is going to fix the Red Sox current woes and at that point I don't really understand what the point is. By the way, Fangraphs has downgraded the Red Sox playoff odds to 36.9%. Baseball Reference gives them 39.5%. If Breslow is able to thread a needle where he buys, but he's able to get guys with multiple years of term on reasonably fair trades I would give him a ton of credit since it's something to help for this year and beyond. That doesn't mean though trading Roman Anthony for a guy with 1 1/2 years of term though unless they can extend. This could be a buy and sell situation. I was hoping the all star break was the time off the starting pitching needed but they and the bullpen have looked so much worse. Both Crawford and Houck (except for 1IP at the ASG) had time off during the all-star break. I'm not sure how they give these guys more time to rest up.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2024 11:05:57 GMT -5
Crawford and Houck need time off and that's even if it's going to fix their woes. They look spent. Beyond them, they have no rotation. Bello and Pivetta could be OK. They can also have their faces ripped off. Paxton was literally just DFA'd. Criswell is a fine swing guy. The bullpen without Martin and Slaten is nonexistent. Martin left with anxiety. Guys have missed entire baseball seasons over this. Justin Slaten has not thrown a bullpen session yet. Triston Casas is starting rehab this week. This should theoretically help the offense and defense. I would caution that since he's missed most of the season that he'll likely have a few weeks of not hitting ala Yoshida. The offense, despite having some black holes in the there,(Gonzalez, Westbrook, Smith) is fine. Dombrowski just blew up the trade market for pitchers. A few weeks ago they needed to start making moves, but the consensus was no one else had so it was unrealistic to expect the Red Sox to, which is kind of fair, but now Dombrowski has set the market and the capital is something I don't want this team to spend. I think being first to make a move early, even if an overpay, would have been wise as it was both critically needed and now the cost is absurd. Maybe this was always the market. My feeling on it is that the high asks just went higher after Carlos Estévez trade. I get he's been a great closer this year, but they gave up MLBs 23rd and 28th rated prospects for a closer who is a free agent at the end of the season. So, if someone wants to go nuts for Jansen, O'Neil or whatever pending free agents, I'm here for it. Outside of other teams around the Red Sox playing poorly and only being 1 game out of the 3rd Wild Card (played 2 less games than KC and would need to win both to tie, ahead of Mariners, but Mariners have 1 more win, and Rays have 1 less win) I don't love their odds. They've looked absolutely abysmal both pitching and defensively. Again, the offense has been rather solid. If they want to buy, that's fine, but I don't think the Justin Turner, a 7th inning reliever and 4-6 starter is going to fix the Red Sox current woes and at that point I don't really understand what the point is. By the way, Fangraphs has downgraded the Red Sox playoff odds to 36.9%. Baseball Reference gives them 39.5%. If Breslow is able to thread a needle where he buys, but he's able to get guys with multiple years of term on reasonably fair trades I would give him a ton of credit since it's something to help for this year and beyond. That doesn't mean though trading Roman Anthony for a guy with 1 1/2 years of term though unless they can extend. This could be a buy and sell situation. I was hoping the all star break was the time off the starting pitching needed but they and the bullpen have looked so much worse. Both Crawford and Houck (except for 1IP at the ASG) had time off during the all-star break. I'm not sure how they give these guys more time to rest up. Yeah and that 1 IP from Houck was awful. I don't know if a 10-IL stint would do anything, but they still might need to try it.
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Post by alnipper on Jul 29, 2024 11:56:44 GMT -5
One of two teams clearly better than the Red Sox in the division. This was not a surprise outcome. I wish the Sox were a better team that was piling innings on our starters. Time to trade for an elite couple of prospects. The Sox can still take on money, trade somebody like Jansen/O'neil add a Lugo type prospect for a very good prospect! Today if the Sox lose they should sell!
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