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7/26-7/28 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Jul 25, 2024 12:24:47 GMT -5
7/26 Red Sox (RHP Brayan Bello, 10-5, 5.27, 95.2 IP, 92K:34BB) vs. Yankees (LHP Nestor Cortes, 4-9, 3.99, 119.2 IP, 111K:24BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 7/27 Red Sox (RHP Kutter Crawford, 6-8, 3.37, 117.2 IP, 112K:29BB) vs. Yankees (RHP Marcus Stroman, 7-5, 3.51, 110.1 IP, 83K:47BB) 7:15 pm ET, FOX/WEEI 7/28 Red Sox (RHP Tanner Houck, 8-6, 2.71, 123.0 IP, 114K:29BB) vs. Yankees (LHP Carlos Rodon, 10-7, 4.42, 114.0 IP, 122K:35BB) 7:10 pm ET, ESPN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2024: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 25, 2024 12:40:30 GMT -5
Would be nice if Breslow got our bullpen help today.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 25, 2024 14:03:30 GMT -5
Rodon has been pitching well lately.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 25, 2024 14:12:40 GMT -5
Marcus Stroman's peripherals compared to his ERA is giving me cancer, please rock him as hard as possible.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 25, 2024 15:00:35 GMT -5
Marcus Stroman's peripherals compared to his ERA is giving me cancer, please rock him as hard as possible. To be fair, the Sox (even the Friday iteration) have no excuse not to absolutely rock these projected starters.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 25, 2024 20:00:00 GMT -5
Marcus Stroman's peripherals compared to his ERA is giving me cancer, please rock him as hard as possible. To be fair, the Sox (even the Friday iteration) have no excuse not to absolutely rock these projected starters. Cortes is an aight pitcher.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 25, 2024 21:36:12 GMT -5
MFYs looking for their first series win since their last trip to the fens...
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Post by cdj on Jul 25, 2024 22:29:31 GMT -5
To be fair, the Sox (even the Friday iteration) have no excuse not to absolutely rock these projected starters. Cortes is an aight pitcher. Plus he lefty
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 25, 2024 23:34:16 GMT -5
To be fair, the Sox (even the Friday iteration) have no excuse not to absolutely rock these projected starters. Cortes is an aight pitcher. He has a 7.36 ERA & 1.54 WHIP his last 3 starts. Finally pitching like the pitcher he actually is.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 26, 2024 0:13:33 GMT -5
MFYs looking for their first series win since their last trip to the fens... Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they win that O’s series before the break??
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Post by keninten on Jul 26, 2024 0:52:20 GMT -5
Raffy coming out of his slump!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jul 26, 2024 0:57:37 GMT -5
MFYs looking for their first series win since their last trip to the fens... Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they win that O’s series before the break?? You are correct, sir! For some reason I remembered that as a split 4-game series. I guess things aren’t so bad for them after all... Edit: MFY are 1-8-2 in series since the first Fenway meeting
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 26, 2024 6:20:12 GMT -5
Rodon has been pitching well lately. As a Rodon fantasy owner (on an awful one-year contract I took on because I got him for peanuts, I might add), I'd politely disagree. After a very good start on scary peripherals, he mostly and predictably regressed to the mean for a while until his excellent last start. 3/29-6/10: 14 starts, 80.0-64-27-26-20-74, 2.93 ERA 6/15-7/14: 6 starts, 27.0-40-30-29-13-38, 9.67 ERA Last start: 7.0-2-1-1-2-10
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 26, 2024 7:17:45 GMT -5
Things I'd love to see...
Red Sox regaining that Fenway magic and owning home field
The team channelling their past joy of thumping the MFY at home and knocking them down the standings while improving their playoff hopes and showing why it will be important to be buyers
Great starting pitching going deep into the games
Driving in more of the many runners they get on base...
I'm stoked for this series
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 26, 2024 9:20:20 GMT -5
FG finished their trade value series blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-trade-value-nos-1-10/ some notes: - No Red Sox on the list, Houck, Duran and Rafaela made HM. Duran is a glaring omission - Devers not even getting an HM is pretty weird when all the other big contract guys who are good made the middle of the list (Riley, Harper, etc.) - Gunnar Henderson number 1 - Tarik Skubal (#24) and Louis Robert (#28) are seemingly the only possible deadline movers
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Post by asm18 on Jul 26, 2024 9:31:08 GMT -5
FG finished their trade value series blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-trade-value-nos-1-10/ some notes: - No Red Sox on the list, Houck, Duran and Rafaela made HM. Duran is a glaring omission - Devers not even getting an HM is pretty weird when all the other big contract guys who are good made the middle of the list (Riley, Harper, etc.) - Gunnar Henderson number 1 - Tarik Skubal (#24) and Louis Robert (#28) are seemingly the only possible deadline movers Luis Robert being on the list but no Duran is absolutely insane. Duran has an extra year of control and is already better RIGHT NOW. And that’s before even you get to Robert’s injury history
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 26, 2024 9:40:04 GMT -5
That list strikes me as pretty silly for numerous reasons. The lack of any Red Sox on the list other than HM and Duran just not being on the list one of them. Ohtani at #7 seems stupid to me as well. Obviously great player, one of the greatest ever. However maybe 2 or 3 teams would have any interest in taking that crazy contract if even that many. His trade value is probably neutral if not negative if you ask me. At least in Ohtani's writeup they admit that the series is purely entertainment so while a semi interesting series. it shouldn't be taken as much more than just that, entertainment.
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Post by seamus on Jul 26, 2024 9:43:30 GMT -5
To be fair to FG, isn't the idea of the series to assess industry valuations? It's silly, but Robert probably DOES have more trade value than Duran because he's been a "star" for longer and teams pay for recognizable names. I would view it more as an indictment of the many mediocre or worse front offices than anything.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 26, 2024 9:47:44 GMT -5
To be fair to FG, isn't the idea of the series to assess industry valuations? It's silly, but Robert probably DOES have more trade value than Duran because he's been a "star" for longer and teams pay for recognizable names. I would view it more as an indictment of the many mediocre or worse front offices than anything. I'm not so sure here, I feel like if the Sox went to the other Sox and said Duran for Robert straight up the other Sox would run to the fax machine to get the paperwork signed and wouldn't think twice. Duran is arguably the better player at this point and is controlled longer and is cheaper than Robert. But like I said in my above post, FG admitted that it was purely for entertainment and it's not like they used some proprietary secret formula to figure this all out.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 26, 2024 9:56:37 GMT -5
Conceptually it seems to me like there should be almost no big money free agents contracts on that list. Presumably those guys got close to their market value when they signed the free agent deals which other teams were unwilling to meet, so from the beginning their positive trade value ought to be nil. And since the value to the team of those deals mostly comes at the beginning of the contract, they depreciate in value starting from day 1.
There might just be an occasional exception of a player who signed a big contract and then overperformed in the first year or two of it, but generally I wouldn't have guys like Lindor, Seager, Harper, etc. on the list at all. Harper for instance is owed ~$177 million from 2025-2031 and projects to put up about 14 WAR; how is that the 41st most tradeable asset in the game?
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Post by incandenza on Jul 26, 2024 10:10:52 GMT -5
To be fair to FG, isn't the idea of the series to assess industry valuations? It's silly, but Robert probably DOES have more trade value than Duran because he's been a "star" for longer and teams pay for recognizable names. I would view it more as an indictment of the many mediocre or worse front offices than anything. I'm not so sure here, I feel like if the Sox went to the other Sox and said Duran for Robert straight up the other Sox would run to the fax machine to get the paperwork signed and wouldn't think twice. Duran is arguably the better player at this point and is controlled longer and is cheaper than Robert. But like I said in my above post, FG admitted that it was purely for entertainment and it's not like they used some proprietary secret formula to figure this all out. Robert is pretty seriously overrated I think. I was really surprised in looking at his numbers just now that he has only a 123 wRC+ for his career and is averaging 4.5 WAR/600, which is nothing to sneeze at but it's not like a "he'd be on a hall of fame track if not for the injuries" type of stat line... and then there are the injuries.
He might be a case of standing out for being the only good player on a bad team, kind of like when people thought John Means was good because he was the only MLB-caliber pitcher the Orioles had.
ADD: Damn, Riley Greene at #13. What possible reason could there be to rank Greene above Duran, let alone by 40 spots? Maybe another case of the one good player on a bad (offensive) team.
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Post by chaimtime on Jul 26, 2024 11:43:44 GMT -5
I'm not so sure here, I feel like if the Sox went to the other Sox and said Duran for Robert straight up the other Sox would run to the fax machine to get the paperwork signed and wouldn't think twice. Duran is arguably the better player at this point and is controlled longer and is cheaper than Robert. But like I said in my above post, FG admitted that it was purely for entertainment and it's not like they used some proprietary secret formula to figure this all out. Robert is pretty seriously overrated I think. I was really surprised in looking at his numbers just now that he has only a 123 wRC+ for his career and is averaging 4.5 WAR/600, which is nothing to sneeze at but it's not like a "he'd be on a hall of fame track if not for the injuries" type of stat line... and then there are the injuries.
He might be a case of standing out for being the only good player on a bad team, kind of like when people thought John Means was good because he was the only MLB-caliber pitcher the Orioles had.
ADD: Damn, Riley Greene at #13. What possible reason could there be to rank Greene above Duran, let alone by 40 spots? Maybe another case of the one good player on a bad (offensive) team.
He did a chat today as well and had a lengthy section about Duran. Basically said he was on the bubble and easily could’ve been included. Threw out a Bryan Reynolds comp, which is probably fair, although I think his speed is pretty heavily undervalued in that comp. I think Duran is just one of those players who it’s hard to realize how big a step forward he’s taken if you aren’t watching every day. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a breakout that felt more real—he’s gone from being totally lost to consistently putting up exceptional at bats, constantly makes heads-up plays on the bases, and looks as much improved in the outfield as the metrics say. The projection systems are still skeptical, but I’m all in on Duran being a star for the next few years.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jul 26, 2024 11:46:58 GMT -5
I'm not so sure here, I feel like if the Sox went to the other Sox and said Duran for Robert straight up the other Sox would run to the fax machine to get the paperwork signed and wouldn't think twice. Duran is arguably the better player at this point and is controlled longer and is cheaper than Robert. But like I said in my above post, FG admitted that it was purely for entertainment and it's not like they used some proprietary secret formula to figure this all out. Robert is pretty seriously overrated I think. I was really surprised in looking at his numbers just now that he has only a 123 wRC+ for his career and is averaging 4.5 WAR/600, which is nothing to sneeze at but it's not like a "he'd be on a hall of fame track if not for the injuries" type of stat line... and then there are the injuries.
He might be a case of standing out for being the only good player on a bad team, kind of like when people thought John Means was good because he was the only MLB-caliber pitcher the Orioles had.
ADD: Damn, Riley Greene at #13. What possible reason could there be to rank Greene above Duran, let alone by 40 spots? Maybe another case of the one good player on a bad (offensive) team.
I’m high on Robert but would be furious if Duran was traded for him (or any other player for that matter).
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 26, 2024 11:48:02 GMT -5
I'm not so sure here, I feel like if the Sox went to the other Sox and said Duran for Robert straight up the other Sox would run to the fax machine to get the paperwork signed and wouldn't think twice. Duran is arguably the better player at this point and is controlled longer and is cheaper than Robert. But like I said in my above post, FG admitted that it was purely for entertainment and it's not like they used some proprietary secret formula to figure this all out. Robert is pretty seriously overrated I think. I was really surprised in looking at his numbers just now that he has only a 123 wRC+ for his career and is averaging 4.5 WAR/600, which is nothing to sneeze at but it's not like a "he'd be on a hall of fame track if not for the injuries" type of stat line... and then there are the injuries.
He might be a case of standing out for being the only good player on a bad team, kind of like when people thought John Means was good because he was the only MLB-caliber pitcher the Orioles had.
ADD: Damn, Riley Greene at #13. What possible reason could there be to rank Greene above Duran, let alone by 40 spots? Maybe another case of the one good player on a bad (offensive) team.
That seems a little high on Greene for sure but Greene is only 23 while Duran is 27, which is probably the main factor. I probably would rather have Greene if I had my pick of the two.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 26, 2024 11:58:32 GMT -5
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