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Post by dirtdog on Jul 29, 2024 17:59:27 GMT -5
A veteran talent evaluator from a National League club offered a more detailed — and objective — scouting report: He had a right shoulder muscle strain that cost him time, yet looks 100 percent now. He has some pitchability but sounds like he’s in between mindsets, searching for his convicted comfort level on how to get hitters out, largely because he utilizes five pitches (six if you count a seldom-used cutter). His strength looks like he has a knack to miss barrels with his two-seam fastball vs lefties; with righthanded-hitters, he’s able to get a high percentage of ground balls and enough strikeouts with his four-seamer and curveball. Appears to to work behind too much, just missing on location. He lacks good extension and deception as hitters appear to see him with a bit of long arm action. However, he competes well, has pitchability to work backwards and is primarily a starter who will have to be more precise to log innings after the first time through the order. Throws from a three-quarters arm slot, but doesn’t have a quick arm yet he’s able to generate enough spin on his curveball and slider. He’s excellent physically. I can see him his being weaned as a spot starter who’s used once around to build into a back-end starting pitching candidate, but he must sort out his secondary pitch arsenal and may want to increase the use of his two-seam fastball and just elevate his four-seamer on two-strike counts up and out of the zone for chase. www.masslive.com/redsox/2024/07/rival-evaluator-offers-scouting-report-on-red-sox-newest-trade-acquisition.html
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Post by bojacksoxfan on Jul 29, 2024 18:10:07 GMT -5
Fyi it's 24 days to get control of Priester for 2030. As for comments regarding what this means about Yorke vis-a-vis any other player, it means nothing. It means this was the player they needed to give up to get Priester, that they were willing to make that trade, and that's all. They might've been considering calling him up this week depending on how the deadline went, they might've known they were never going to do so. We'll never know. I love the deal. Priester's ceiling is much higher than Yorke's for me. Maybe you are just really low on Yorke's ceiling, but putting aside the comparison to Yorke... do you think Priester has a high ceiling? The ceiling argument can get silly, but aside from the past prospect rankings is there really that much to suggest that Priester circa July 2024 has a high ceiling? He throws 93 and doesn't really get many swinging strikes with any of his pitches. Most of the positive posts are based on getting him into the pitching lab and, I guess, learning a sweeper, ditching his terrible 4 seam fastball and maybe picking up some velo? All of that could happen and would likely be helpful, but not everybody can learn a sweeper and as we've seen with Bello ditching your 4 seam is hardly a panacea. I think in this age of pitch design we are way too quick to assume everybody is some smart development away from a high ceiling. It makes the concept of a ceiling for pitchers a bit meaningless. Based on his current stuff, it seems to me that a good outcome band for Priester is a 2-ish WAR 4th starter to 1-ish WAR bulk reliever. That's not too dissimilar to Yorke actually, and that makes sense since they were just traded for each other.
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Post by funkybuddha on Jul 29, 2024 18:12:53 GMT -5
Curious. Does Valdez have more or less trade value than Yorke? Valdez has clearly done more but has a wart or two to show because of it. Yorke is not as exposed but maybe more risk because of never facing MLB pitching? Yorke probably better defensively but not by a long shot.
Would Pittsburgh have preferred Valdez? Were they set on Yorke? Not interested in Valdez? Just interesting.
It’s not unreasonable to think Sox still have depth to trade Valdez if there is a deal to be made. With Hamilton, Grissom coming back and apparently Wong getting time there? Westbrook already gets somewhat frequent playing time.
Anyway based on pretty good return for Yorke straight up what is Valdez worth straight up or part of a package? More or less?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 29, 2024 18:15:57 GMT -5
I view this from the minors point of view. We've essentially swapped first rounders. How many times have we heard our prospect pitching is light and how many times have we heard we have excess middle infielders ? Except Yorke’s bonus was 2.7 and Priester’s was 3.4 (and was a year earlier). Overall point stands. Yorke was considered a 2nd or 3rd round surprise pick by the Sox. He went underslot which allowed the Sox to go overslot to Blaze Jordan. Yorke gained a lot of helium when he was a surprise addition to covid camp then went on a tear where major league pitchers literally couldn't get him out. The Pirates system is loaded with pitchers. Solid trade for both teams.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 29, 2024 18:20:56 GMT -5
Curious. Does Valdez have more or less trade value than Yorke? Valdez has clearly done more but has a wart or two to show because of it. Yorke is not as exposed but maybe more risk because of never facing MLB pitching? Yorke probably better defensively but not by a long shot. Would Pittsburgh have preferred Valdez? Were they set on Yorke? Not interested in Valdez? Just interesting. It’s not unreasonable to think Sox still have depth to trade Valdez if there is a deal to be made. With Hamilton, Grissom coming back and apparently Wong getting time there? Westbrook already gets somewhat frequent playing time. Anyway based on pretty good return for Yorke straight up what is Valdez worth straight up or part of a package? More or less? Toronto was apparently interested in Valdez for Nate Pearson but ultimately went with another package. Pearson is worth a lot less than Priester. I agree there is still room to deal from the 2B logjam
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 29, 2024 18:33:56 GMT -5
CB2 is obviously trying to hoard SP prospects that he likes in the hope that some work out and become roatation pieces for The Next Great Red Sox Team. He's been in the job less than a year and has brought in Fitts, Sandlin, R2 pick Tolle and now Priester.
I figured the Red Sox would trade some of their MIF prospect depth for deadline help and/or as part of a package to acquire a significant SP or RH bat this winter. But none of us thought they'd be making a prospect swap for a P at the deadline.
I also didn't anticipate that Yorke would be moved because I thought they'd want a competition between him and Grissom for the 2B job next spring.
In other words, my intuition was wrong about everything!
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Post by funkybuddha on Jul 29, 2024 18:42:50 GMT -5
Curious. Does Valdez have more or less trade value than Yorke? Valdez has clearly done more but has a wart or two to show because of it. Yorke is not as exposed but maybe more risk because of never facing MLB pitching? Yorke probably better defensively but not by a long shot. Would Pittsburgh have preferred Valdez? Were they set on Yorke? Not interested in Valdez? Just interesting. It’s not unreasonable to think Sox still have depth to trade Valdez if there is a deal to be made. With Hamilton, Grissom coming back and apparently Wong getting time there? Westbrook already gets somewhat frequent playing time. Anyway based on pretty good return for Yorke straight up what is Valdez worth straight up or part of a package? More or less? Toronto was apparently interested in Valdez for Nate Pearson but ultimately went with another package. Pearson is worth a lot less than Priester. I agree there is still room to deal from the 2B logjam Good insight. Thanks. I think I would have more interest in Yorke also so not surprised if this is industry opinion.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 29, 2024 18:46:46 GMT -5
Not sure what’s confusing about this trade. We traded Nick Yorke for a starting pitcher who was a top 100 prospect last year. Seems pretty straightforward. Pitchers often take a year or two to figure out MLB after success in the minors. Bello is still figuring it out…. A top 100 prospect for Yorke (Rule 5 eligible), IMO, is a good trade. Yorke is not a slam dunk MLB all-star or even regular at this point, so if trading ‘prospects’, I am glad they got a pitcher. Priester has MLB experience, so he is no longer a ‘prospect’, but at 23 he is still young and can turn into a nice rotation piece.
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Post by seanleary001 on Jul 29, 2024 18:54:56 GMT -5
Toronto was apparently interested in Valdez for Nate Pearson but ultimately went with another package. Pearson is worth a lot less than Priester. I agree there is still room to deal from the 2B logjam Good insight. Thanks. I think I would have more interest in Yorke also so not surprised if this is industry opinion. I recommend the soxprospects podcast. Literally no better source in the world
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Post by asm18 on Jul 29, 2024 19:38:05 GMT -5
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jul 29, 2024 19:46:36 GMT -5
Portland has 21 pitchers?
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Post by soxinsf on Jul 29, 2024 20:10:31 GMT -5
“Priester is younger than . . . . “ Nick Yorke is younger. . . . Just sayin’. In truth, love the upside potential.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 29, 2024 20:54:51 GMT -5
Prister is about to finish his first season as an MLB pitcher and should only have one more season of inconsistent performance until he emerges into the number #3 starter he was destined to be.
This is a home run trade for the Red Sox and the returns on Prister will be significant when the Red Sox hit their true contention window.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 29, 2024 21:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 29, 2024 21:53:15 GMT -5
Portland has 21 pitchers? The MiLB.com roster includes Broadway, Song, Perales, and Bastardo in addition to the 15 active, Liu, and Encarnacion.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 29, 2024 22:00:06 GMT -5
Agreed that it's generally very level headed, but saying Yorke is "no more, no less" than a solid-average regular - i.e., a 50 - feels extremely bullish if he means that as his floor. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Post by lronhoyabembe on Jul 29, 2024 23:08:36 GMT -5
They'd need to trade for Frankie Lindor, they'd be the best of friends. Alright you’ve stumped me. I had to google past Judas Priest members to no avail. However there was some bloke named Chris Campbell affiliated with the band. This is destiny! The Ballad of Frankie Lee(ndor) and Judas Priest. The old Dylan song that the band took their name from.
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 29, 2024 23:23:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one who would of prefered to trade Grissom? No idea who even has more trade value but I feel like Breslow felt the need to open up that starting 2nd baseman job for Grissom. One guy I've always liked is Sogard who's been buried. Maybe he can get a look now. I think he's better then Westbrook for sure.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 29, 2024 23:40:48 GMT -5
Agreed that it's generally very level headed, but saying Yorke is "no more, no less" than a solid-average regular - i.e., a 50 - feels extremely bullish if he means that as his floor. Maybe I'm missing something. Nick Yorke always reminded me of Michael Chavis, who was a solid-average regular until the team gets tired of having a solid-average regular who can't play the infield.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 29, 2024 23:41:57 GMT -5
Am I the only one who would of prefered to trade Grissom? No idea who even has more trade value but I feel like Breslow felt the need to open up that starting 2nd baseman job for Grissom. One guy I've always liked is Sogard who's been buried. Maybe he can get a look now. I think he's better then Westbrook for sure. Probably.
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Post by cdj on Jul 29, 2024 23:42:40 GMT -5
Agreed that it's generally very level headed, but saying Yorke is "no more, no less" than a solid-average regular - i.e., a 50 - feels extremely bullish if he means that as his floor. Maybe I'm missing something. Nick Yorke always reminded me of Michael Chavis, who was a solid-average regular until the team gets tired of having a solid-average regular who can't play the infield. Or hit fastballs above the thighs
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Post by bosoxnation on Jul 29, 2024 23:43:05 GMT -5
Am I the only one who would of prefered to trade Grissom? No idea who even has more trade value but I feel like Breslow felt the need to open up that starting 2nd baseman job for Grissom. One guy I've always liked is Sogard who's been buried. Maybe he can get a look now. I think he's better then Westbrook for sure. Probably. Thanks for responding 😆
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 29, 2024 23:52:21 GMT -5
Law's summary;
I understand the desire for grades or to say who won a trade, and in many cases I’m comfortable saying I think one team did particularly well, or the price for a veteran was higher or lower than I expected. I don’t have that kind of opinion on this trade. Both of these guys are good prospects, counting Priester even though he isn’t prospect list-eligible, just because he’s young and not yet established. Both appeared at least once on a top-100 ranking of mine. I hope both find their levels in the majors and this becomes a win/win, but I could see this deal becoming a win for either side depending mostly on whether Boston can get more out of Priester than Pittsburgh did.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jul 30, 2024 0:12:22 GMT -5
“Priester is younger than . . . . “ Nick Yorke is younger. . . . Just sayin’. In truth, love the upside potential. Yes, but Yorke does not pitch, and the Red Sox need starting pitching and have an abundance of 2B.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 30, 2024 0:21:30 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the plan is that when Grissom is ready, Westbrook will be sent down, Another RH bat with upside. They couldn't have done that with Yorke without putting him on the 40 man. To me, Sogard's ceiling is up and down emergency guy and I think Meidroth is more likely in that role or better. ADD: With Valdez and Westbrook, I've also had my fill of rangeless second basemen. Yorke fits that mold too although of the three, I'd take him but not over Grissom. ADD2: I actually think Yorke's upside is Ian Kinsler but a little less defense but, you don't get quality back for chicken poop.
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